Gear Talk => Other => Topic started by: Jan Anne on March 25, 2016, 09:23:02
Title: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on March 25, 2016, 09:23:02
When Intel releases new mobile processors updates for Apples MacBook lineup are also to be expected, as Intel released their latest Skylake mobile processors a few months ago one can expect new MacBooks to be announced in the coming months.
First evidence has been found that an updated 12" MacBook will be released in "early 2016" which means it will be released in the coming month: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/23/2016-12-inch-macbook-reference-spotted/ (http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/23/2016-12-inch-macbook-reference-spotted/)
Digitimes also reports that based on supplier activity ultra thin 13" and 15" models are underway: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/22/new-ultra-thin-13-15-macbooks-june-july/ (http://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/22/new-ultra-thin-13-15-macbooks-june-july/)
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Post by: Jakov Minić on March 25, 2016, 13:40:32
I have been waiting for this for a very long time... Does this mean that the Mac Book Pros are obsolete?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on April 05, 2016, 11:18:38
I have been waiting for this for a very long time... Does this mean that the Mac Book Pros are obsolete?
I'm pretty sure the Macbook Pro's will continue to exist, a lot of people still want/need laptops with a good amount of power. I expect they will include at least 2 USB Type C ports. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a design refresh, the current design is several years old. I've seen some speculation that the Macbook Air's will be discontinued at some point. That would make some sense if they make a new bigger Macbook model with perhaps a 14" retina display. It's about time they drop non retina displays in their lineup. Their Thunderbolt display is also in need of being upgraded.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on April 05, 2016, 12:59:39
What ever the case my new MacBook needs to have a Retina screen and enough horse power to process 42MP RAW files, with the slimmed down design a 15" might become more interesting than a 13" for my use.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on April 05, 2016, 20:36:14
The days of using non high res display are gone for me. It makes a big difference when reading text.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on April 21, 2016, 22:32:52
The latest rumour, a new hinge design and only USB-C ports for maximum thinness: http://9to5mac.com/2016/04/15/report-new-ultra-thin-macbooks-coming-later-in-2016-featuring-new-metal-injection-molded-hinges/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on May 25, 2016, 09:47:14
Another juicy rumours about the new MacBook Pro states that it will have Touch ID and use an OLED display touch bar (to replace physical function keys, located above the keyboard) and adopt USB- C / Thunderbolt 3.
Here's the link http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2016-macbook-pro-may-include-oled-display-touch-bar-and-touch-id.1974101/
Sounds like Apple is planning on making the MacBook Pro cutting edge again, the latest offering is nice but nothing out of the ordinary and is even outdated feature wise compared to the competition.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: richardHaw on May 25, 2016, 10:12:24
just make it more efficient so that it does not heat up so quick :o :o :o
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on May 25, 2016, 10:31:51
The MacBooks have a metal encasing for a reason, use them on a surface which can extend the radiator design and leave the air flow ports open.
Using them on your lap isn't usually the best option when editing big files, this blocks the air vents and the body can't dissipate its heat.
Also very useful is to block any flash content while browsing, tends to overdrive the CPU on my ancient MBA making it heat up very quickly :o
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Frank Fremerey on May 25, 2016, 10:56:53
I am contemplating to buy a new notebook. My old book is fine but it is missing any fast I/O, so I lust for thunderbolt / USB-C / USB3
Microsoft offers the Surface Book for 1748€ including insider rebate. It is more or less like the next Macbook hardwarewise but running Windows.
I even thought about getting a Macbook ...
How good does Apple run Windows nowadays?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on May 25, 2016, 12:36:08
The rumor about the upcomming Macbooks also says that they might not arrive until Q4 this year.
Apple sure is taking forever. By Q4 there will probably be a Skylake refresh.
That part of the rumour I'm trying to ignore ::) ::)
My little 2011 MBA is still going strong but it's battery is slowly dying and 1440 pixels is starting to get a little old fashioned so wouldn't mind upgrading right now ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on May 25, 2016, 15:51:49
I myself is lusting for a new one - mine has worked overtime. Price difference between SA and USA is roughly $800US. for me - thats bloody HUGE
who's coming to visit...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on June 01, 2016, 21:20:30
Some photos suggest that the OLED touchbar and 4 USB-C ports. http://www.cultofmac.com/430982/spy-photos-all-but-confirm-2016-macbook-pros-oled-touchpad/#disqus_thread
I applaud the USB-C ports, now you can hook any device or charger on either side, downside is that its no longer magnetic so things will break when tripping on the power cord.
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Post by: Andrea B. on June 01, 2016, 22:49:57
no longer magnetic
oh boooooo !!!! :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on June 02, 2016, 00:45:25
Sometimes progress isn't moving forwards :o :o :o
But as often is the case some clever engineers came up with a simple solution ;D http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/04/magsafe-adpater-12-inch-macbook/
I completely lost count on the times I walked away with the MBA still being plugged in, for the magsafe connector is pretty much a must. I've seen a friend ruin the motherboard of his Sony Vaio because he tripped over the power cable, rendered the Vaio completely useless.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on June 02, 2016, 01:21:09
Jan, that would save many Mac users. Glad to know!
I thought the Mag Safe was one of the most brilliant invention ever for the notebook PC of any kind, and the omission on the MacBook was one of the bad decisions Apple have made since the passing of Steve Jobs.
Does it indicate the fading charisma of Jobs?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on June 02, 2016, 11:42:34
I agree with Akira, I really liked the Mag Safe and will miss it dearly in the new ones, whenever they finally appear ::)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on June 02, 2016, 13:38:26
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on June 02, 2016, 13:52:48
4 usb type c ports sounds like a decent amount, but I doubt they'll all support thunderbolt and USB 3.1.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on June 02, 2016, 19:47:05
Excuse my ignorance - but if it comes with only one port - where does the rest go?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on June 02, 2016, 22:38:31
USB-C ports will replace all other ports and will support protocols like USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort, etc while being able to provide power at 5-20 Volt up to 100 Watt.
To use legacy devices one needs an USB-C to USB-A, mini USB, micro USB, Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, etc cable or adapter to make the physical connection.
In the end we just use USB-C to USB-C cables for everything you want to hook up to the PC / Mac and the onboard chips will figure out which protocol to use, if the device needs power or can deliver power, etc, etc.
Maybe the attached pic will explain a few things :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on June 02, 2016, 22:40:40
USB-C will also support PCI Express which in essence is the protocol used internally, this allows a low power MacBook (or PC) to connect to multiple 5K screens with integrated GPU's for the local processing of the graphical content.
Here's the rumour that Apple is working on such displays http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/01/apple-readying-new-external-5k-display-as-current-model-goes-out-of-stock-may-feature-integrated-gpu/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on June 02, 2016, 23:44:41
Okey but its ONE port isnt it - so one needs an adapter to plug in more than one thing - eg printer, scanner, charger etc?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on June 03, 2016, 00:51:07
Okey but its ONE port isnt it - so one needs an adapter to plug in more than one thing - eg printer, scanner, charger etc?
Yup. Ordinary users can go wifi for the printer, but I'm not sure if there are any offering the quality for the professional photographers.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on June 03, 2016, 01:00:55
thats a stuff up...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on June 03, 2016, 08:14:01
The MacBook only have one port, but the rumor is 4 ports on the upcoming MacBook Pros.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: chris dees on June 03, 2016, 08:29:46
With the MacBook you're supposed to do everything thru WiFi. :) There are adapters available so you can use more devices (There are basic ones with 3 connections. OWC has a comprehensive one, but at a price)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on June 03, 2016, 12:04:32
Okey now I feel better I have too many things still running on a cable
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on June 03, 2016, 13:04:20
As mentioned you get an USB-C dock for the workplace which you hook up the network, storage devices, card readers, power, monitors, audio, etc so you only have to plugin one cable into the laptop instead of all of those cables individually.
Here's an example of how that works http://www.macrumors.com/review/owc-usb-c-dock/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on June 03, 2016, 13:12:00
When the new laptops come, it will be time for me to start contemplating the purchase of a well-specced previous generation MBP with magsafe, retina and several ports, second hand and affordable. Not that fussed with the latest and greatest ;)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on June 05, 2016, 21:45:56
Perhaps Apple is waiting for Intel's Kaby Lake CPU's?
"Previous rumors and leaks point to expanded 4K video playback capabilities, including support for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 and hardware decode support for 10-bit HEVC and VP9 videos." + "We've seen some reports that some Kaby Lake chipsets will support full 10Gbps USB 3.1 speeds and Thunderbolt 3".
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the primary reason we haven't seen a MBP refresh yet.
Another juicy rumours about the new MacBook Pro states that it will have Touch ID and use an OLED display touch bar (to replace physical function keys, located above the keyboard) and adopt USB- C / Thunderbolt 3.
I read an article recently by AGV AntiVirus saying if you loose you fingerprint security it's gone as you can't change your fingerprint. I said we leave our fingerprints everywhere and they can be lifted and used to unlock phones. It's something to think about. I'll try to find the article.
Dave
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on August 02, 2016, 06:55:54
Fingerprint ID systems are also making checks for temperature and heartbeat etc.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 02, 2016, 09:09:55
It's generally a bad idea to use fingerprints for authentication, but it's convenient, user friendly and I use it all the time on my iPhone. At the same time I've switched to a much more difficult passcode instead of a 4 character pin.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on September 29, 2016, 16:26:14
A sparkle of hope for those waiting for a new MacBook Pro, apparently they are scheduled to be released in a month or so :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 29, 2016, 17:25:26
It's starting to become a "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of thing :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on September 29, 2016, 23:30:33
Thanks JA ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Ron Scubadiver on October 01, 2016, 16:13:02
It took me hours to get my MacBook Pro to print on new Windows Network Printer. With every OS upgrade some apps break. Premium Windows notebooks have improved a lot. No more MacBooks here
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on October 06, 2016, 13:25:56
No (never) more Windows machines here, since 2009. The only left is my Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 running under XP. The catastrophic Vista, I could experience through my children's PC's, made a definitive end to the Windows odyssey at home. :-\
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 06, 2016, 14:45:59
We all have our preferences ;)
At home I have an entire Apple, Philips Hue and Sonos eco system which works together seamlessly, mainly because Philips and Sonos work closely together with Apple to make that happen. So all my lights can be controlled with my iPhone by using Siri ("turn kitchen on"), the Hue app or by widgets on the lock screen.
The Sonos music system plays music in two separate rooms from my TimeCapsule or Apple Music stream. On the MacBook I can use my keyboard shortcut keys for the basic functions (pause, next song, etc) and on the iPhone lock screen I can do the same, both devices can be used side by side as a remote as neither is the host of the session.
I doesn't matter which PC or mobile platform one uses, as long as it can be part of an ecosystem which offers the desired end to end solution which is purely based on personal preferences and requirements :) At the office I have to use tools like SQL and Access so the preferred OS is Windows, simple as that.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: tommiejeep on October 06, 2016, 15:32:48
J.A., that is cool. I'm at least 10 years behind you but with constant power outages (and wild fluctuations in the supply) I would probably need to do it manually anyway ;) . Tom
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on October 06, 2016, 21:17:55
I'm not particular about OS or brand anymore. But one of the things I like about my current MacBook Air for my mobile usage is Magsafe power connector. It's shame that Apple seems to be abandoning it. My hunch is that MBA is obsoleted by MacBook...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 20, 2016, 08:33:08
One more.....week
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: David H. Hartman on October 20, 2016, 08:51:23
Will the price of older MAC Books plummet?
Dave who needs a laptop.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on October 20, 2016, 09:55:30
Thanks JA ;)
Yes they will
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Post by: Jakov Minić on October 20, 2016, 10:05:43
Jakov might follow Dave's footsteps.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on October 20, 2016, 16:42:52
In the USA, Apple sells refurbished versions which have been a good deal for me. Full warranty as new.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 20, 2016, 21:05:25
mmm I am also in the market for a new laptop soon. Very interested in whats coming. Just need to sell a kidney or 2
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 26, 2016, 00:11:18
Apple themselves leaked a few images of the upcoming 13" MacBook Pro: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/25/images-of-new-macbook-pro-leaked/
Note the OLED Magic Toolbar with fingerprint scanner and the speakers on both sides for the keyboard.
Slowly getting excited now :)
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Post by: Jakov Minić on October 26, 2016, 00:52:18
Is it true that there will be no SD card slot?
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Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on October 26, 2016, 00:59:02
So far the specs are only based on rumours, we'll know for sure on Thursday.
The pic above is from Apple themselves however so the OLED toolbar and fingerprint scanner are now unofficially confirmed by Apple ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on October 26, 2016, 01:49:35
Card slots may be obsolete, given the fact that many potable devices including cameras can now be connected to the computer via wifi or bluetooth.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Hugh_3170 on October 26, 2016, 03:24:22
I hope to god that card slots and USB3/ThunderBolt connections don't disappear just yet!
Olympus have done a reasonable job on their WiFi implementation, but the rest are still only performing during 'amateur hour'. Maybe the new foolography WiFi initiative will bear fruit for Canon & Nikon users?
I hope to god that card slots and USB3/ThunderBolt connections don't disappear just yet!
Olympus have done a reasonable job on their WiFi implementation, but the rest are still only performing during 'amateur hour'. Maybe the new foolography WiFi initiative will bear fruit for Canon & Nikon users?
Canon has been ahead of Nikon in terms of tethering even with the cable. My friend pro photogs who use Canon seem to be using wifi pretty efficiently to show each shot to the clients on iPads. Of course, a USB card reader should be much more efficient when transferring RAW data. SD card aside, both XQD and CFast are too obscure for their card readers to be on the notebook PCs or Macs. Also, the card socket should prevent the notebook from being made thinner. So, the pro photogs and enthusiasts would need to rely on wifi/bluetooth more than the amateurs and beginners.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 26, 2016, 06:44:02
The thing I saw mentioned on the "interwebs" is the possible lack of an ESC key.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on October 27, 2016, 20:36:32
I just saw the MAC Special Event and I am impressed. At first I thought I was going to buy the old model, but now that I saw how it looks like...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 27, 2016, 20:54:21
They're pretty expensive though :( + $600 for 1Tb SSD + $1400 for 2Tb SSD
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on October 27, 2016, 20:59:46
No matter how large your SSD is, you will need to clean it once in a while, or at least back it up, so I will not be spending my extra cash on storage. My question to you experts is whether there is a huge difference between i5 and i7 processors?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: aerobat on October 27, 2016, 21:10:54
I've got a 15" retina MBP (late 2013) with quad core i7, 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I really appreciate the large(ish) screen for editing and ample speed to work fluently. An i5 would certainly do ok but over the years you may regret to buy anything smaller. MacBooks are usually kept longer than comparable Windows machines. At the moment I can have just a bit more than 1 year worth of pictures on the SSD. So at the beginning of a new year I move the pictures to an external HDD. I've only switched two years ago and never looked back.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 27, 2016, 21:20:38
Same thinking here. Got a similar 15" from 2013, though with 16gb memory and 512gb SSD. Still running great. I bought the top model, except for the size of the SSD because you can't upgrade it later.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on October 27, 2016, 21:30:32
They're pretty expensive though :( + $600 for 1Tb SSD + $1400 for 2Tb SSD
Yes that is a bit strange,,,
They look really nice though, but no new 4K or 5K displays,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 27, 2016, 22:37:40
Can someone please come visit me and bring me a new MacPro. Unaffordable here! >:( I am getting Mac-Acquisition-syndrome. I am getting by on 256 HD - as soon as my images are converted from RAW- the NEF's move off to an external. Then when the final product is delivered - those move off to another HD. There is no point for me to keep it all on my Mac Drive. I do keep 1024 x 1024 size copies on my HD though. But I want more RAM.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: charlie on October 28, 2016, 03:04:32
My question to you experts is whether there is a huge difference between i5 and i7 processors?
I can share my experience with a dual core i5 vs quad core i7.
I have a mid 2014 13" macbook pro with 2.6 GHz Intel Core i5 and 16gb ram, 250gb SSD. Using Capture One To process out around 3000 22 megapixel CR2 files to jpgs takes about 8 - 10 hours. Doing the same process on an iMac with 16GB ram and an i7 processor takes 2-3 hours. Granted that might be a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, but watching the activity monitors on both machines I always found the CPU working overtime and there was RAM to spare.
Next macbook I buy I will be upgrading to the faster CPU as that seems to be the bottleneck.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on October 28, 2016, 04:29:08
Same thinking here. Got a similar 15" from 2013, though with 16gb memory and 512gb SSD. Still running great. I bought the top model, except for the size of the SSD because you can't upgrade it later.
The SSD cannot be exchanged? Did you mean the RAM cannot be exchanged?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 10:37:21
The SSD cannot be exchanged? Did you mean the RAM cannot be exchanged?
Both can be upgraded... I have done on my Mac, in fact, on all familly's Macs And I'm using Samsung SSDs On my workhorse Mac, a 15" MBP and have two SSDs inside (changed the CD/DVD to an SSD), not possible with the newer ones, thought. A 256GB SSD just for apps, and a 500GB for files
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 28, 2016, 10:40:04
The ram can't be upgraded as far as I know.
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Post by: Jakov Minić on October 28, 2016, 10:41:36
Unfortunately, there isn't a quad-core i7 processor for the 13" MacBook Pro. I am sorry for not being precise in the original question, but I guess one should pay and get the best possible in order for it to last a while. It's just that I am using a 2009 MacBook Pro, so I guess everything will fly in comparison...
Pedro what about the MacBook Pro? Don't tell me that RAM and SSD cannot be easily exchanged? That would be a shame!
And how many additional little cables will one need to be able to attach peripherals like external hard drives, card readers, etc...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 10:44:09
Do you mean configurable to? For same models, yes 16Gb is the max it could be used
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Post by: simato73 on October 28, 2016, 10:53:26
For a few years already all Apple notebooks cannot be upgraded from what you purchase. You can select custom builds (options for ssd, cpu, ram, gpu) but once the choice is made there is no further upgrade possible because the components are soldered in. Many have moaned but clearly this is how Apple wants to operate. AFAIAC the new MBP's are not attractive because they have only thunderbolt ports and there is no ram upgrade option. Oh and I forgot to say they are way too much bloody expensive.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pkol on October 28, 2016, 11:08:59
Unfortunately, there isn't a quad-core i7 processor for the 13" MacBook Pro. I am sorry for not being precise in the original question, but I guess one should pay and get the best possible in order for it to last a while. It's just that I am using a 2009 MacBook Pro, so I guess everything will fly in comparison...
Pedro what about the MacBook Pro? Don't tell me that RAM and SSD cannot be easily exchanged? That would be a shame!
And how many additional little cables will one need to be able to attach peripherals like external hard drives, card readers, etc...
Hi Jacov, All the macbook pros are no longer user upgradeable since the introduction of the retina display. So you need to configure the memory and storage and pay Apple prices for the upgrades. Pedro is right (see post below) I wasn't aware of the new option from OWC. While is indeed possible to upgarde the PCIe storage it will be a pretty tricky afair to open a brand new MacbookPro and possibly void the warranty... I guess that the RAM is soldered to the main board.
With regards to the expasion ports, I would reccomend buying a docking station for when you work at home or the inevitable dongles for when you are on the road. You can buy adapter directly from apple (USB C to USB A, Thundebolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2, etc).
Now for the docking station you can get something like this: https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/usb-c/owc/usb-c-dock or http://www.belkin.com/us/F4U095-Belkin/p/P-F4U095;jsessionid=75F1FF0850C854897845F77D1C5790F4/ You can buy this in Europe on this website https://www.megamac.com/collections/usb-c-docks
I have a TB2 docking station for my macbook pro and is very convenient. When you get home plug one cable from the mac to the dock and everything get connected (multiple hard drives, external monitor, card reader) and it also doubles up as a USB charger. Pretty neat.
Hope this helps.
Regards, Paulo
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 11:10:09
Pedro what about the MacBook Pro? Don't tell me that RAM and SSD cannot be easily exchanged? That would be a shame!
And how many additional little cables will one need to be able to attach peripherals like external hard drives, card readers, etc...
New models, seem in fact harder to work, but some has solutions But look here https://www.owcdigital.com/products/ssd/aura-mid-2013-and-later-macs-overview
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 28, 2016, 11:10:46
For a few years already all Apple notebooks cannot be upgraded from what you purchase. You can select custom builds (options for ssd, cpu, ram, gpu) but once the choice is made there is no further upgrade possible because the components are soldered in. Many have moaned but clearly this is how Apple wants to operate. AFAIAC the new MBP's are not attractive because they have only thunderbolt ports and there is no ram upgrade option. Oh and I forgot to say they are way too much bloody expensive.
The ports are USB Type-C, the USB port to rule them all ;) all old USB devices should work with an adapter.
And yes, I too think they have become too expensive :(
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on October 28, 2016, 11:23:07
Also I mourn the demise of magsafe. How many times the little magnet has saved my laptop when I inadvertently yanked the power cord.
There's an aftermarket connection that replaces it ;)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on October 28, 2016, 11:41:42
Now the main question, how do the new models compare to the old ones? Are they really that much faster? Looking at the specs I don't see a huge change in processing speed or RAM or storage? You get to keep the SD slot, the mag safe, and probably quite a few $.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on October 28, 2016, 11:45:14
You can't read the speed of the processor spec.
You need to run a benchmark test to compare the performance.
Yep a lot of adapters is needed,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on October 28, 2016, 11:46:12
You need to run a benchmark test to compare the performance.
Yep a lot of adapters is needed,,,
What's the point of a very sleek computer if you then have to encrust it with adapters? (more cost, more likelihood of breakage/incompatibility, more clutter, worse look)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on October 28, 2016, 11:51:51
I agree.
The more I look at this new Macbook Pros the more I like the versatility of my Thinkpad W540
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 11:58:42
What's the point of a very sleek computer if you then have to encrust it with adapters? (more cost, more likelihood of breakage/incompatibility, more clutter, worse look)
The more I look at this new Macbook Pros the more I like the versatility of my Thinkpad W540
Unfortunately this is not only Mac related. It's a trend among all brands... people want laps to be like tablets/iPads My new HP needs a docking station to connect all I need...
And a Mac is more than looks... please don't start to shoot on me, I not pretending to sell anything 8)
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Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 28, 2016, 18:07:17
A not so happy post: http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-state-of-the-mac/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on October 28, 2016, 19:36:04
Thank you for the link Jørgen. I will have to think hard before buying. I am pretty disappointed with the incompatibility and speed updates, CPU and RAM. Not to mention that I expected 512GB SSD as standard, not 256?!?!
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 19:50:13
Do whatever you feel best, but like on photography don't rely on just a couple of complaining people...
I use both machines (HP and Mac) both systems (Windows and OS) and I know what's best for me, and it wain't a lot of windows...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 28, 2016, 20:07:03
The lack of upgrades have become more and more standard on laptops and not just Apple's. Microsofts own Surface products aren't exactly cheap either. I mostly think the SSD upgrade prices are insane. A quick search for SSD's at a popular webshop here in DK shows 2TB SSD's sold for less than 7.000DKK. The upgrade price from 256GB to 2TB SSD in the new Macbooks is 12.000DKK. Granted, those SSD's are not nearly as fast as the SSD in the Macbooks, but these are retail prices, no doubt Apple gets a massive discount even though it's a state of the art SSD.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on October 28, 2016, 20:08:46
The lack of upgrades have become more and more standard on laptops and not just Apple's. Microsofts own Surface products aren't exactly cheap either. I mostly think the SSD upgrade prices are insane. A quick search for SSD's at a popular webshop here in DK shows 2TB SSD's sold for less than 7.000DKK. The upgrade price from 256GB to 2TB SSD in the new Macbooks is 12.000DKK. Granted, those SSD's are not nearly as fast as the SSD in the Macbooks, but these are retail prices, no doubt Apple gets a massive discount even though it's a state of the art SSD.
+1
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on October 28, 2016, 20:13:12
At home, I have a MacBook Pro 17", early 2009 version. Never had for so long a PC. Did a MLU 3 years ago: RAM to max of 8GB and Samsung SSD of 512 GB. It's the first time I cannot upgrade to the latest OS (Sierra). Although still working fine, and in pristine shape, I will switch to the latest 15" version in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: aerobat on October 29, 2016, 19:44:06
I checked the prices of the new macbooks and they're a lot more expensive than the earlier models.
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Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 29, 2016, 20:00:44
I assume we have to accept technology changes. I dont even want to begin to consider how many ppl have a zillion devices with UBS ports. Do they eventually all become obsolete? I suppose so yes - but the investment made in USB is enormous. Okey so we move along .... I think I will be buying a 2015 model to keep me going another couple of years. I actually only wanted to buy in a year's time. Now I am maybe forced to spend the money now... dont quite know what to do.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 29, 2016, 20:45:48
USB Type-C is the new USB connector that'll be used everywhere from smartphones to desktops. It'll be painful for a while and adapters will be necessary, but it's a nice improvement over previous USB connectors.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 29, 2016, 21:24:18
Jørgen I am sure you are correct - I would trust Apple enough *cough.. to believe that they are going forward with the latest technology in this regard. But it doesnt take away the fact that millions have been invested in for instance external Harddrives for back ups etc. But it was bound to happen. We dont live in the past.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on October 30, 2016, 17:37:52
Allegedly the start-up sound is abolished on the new MacBook Pro.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 31, 2016, 08:16:32
The Surface Studio sounds great if you're an artist: https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/28/the-surface-studio
But how big a market is that? I'm personally not convinced touchscreens are optimal on laptops and desktops for most use cases.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 31, 2016, 17:04:12
In order to maintain the 10 hour runtimes with much smaller batteries (66-75% of old capacity) in the much smaller housings Apple focused on energy savings where ever possible, this is also the main reason for the 16GB RAM limit:http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/new-macbook-pros-no-32gb-ram-battery-life/
There are notebooks with more RAM but those could be classified more as workstations than ultra lightweight notebooks.
Also not all of the USB-C ports have been created equally as they aren't backed up with the same controllers, so choose your ports wisely: https://support.apple.com/nl-nl/HT207256
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 31, 2016, 17:21:38
The Apple chargers come with a removable USB-C to USB-C cable, as the 15" charger delivers a whopping 87W it's wise to use the cable provided by Apple.
The theoretical maximum for USB-C is a 100W, at the 20V max Voltage thats an impressive 5A. So an USB-C cable provided with certain phones which is only rated for 5-9V and max 2.4A will melt in seconds when used at 5 Ampere.
Universal interfaces have a lot of advantages but also bring along certain risks, to avoid these always use the highest spec cables and adapters so don't buy those cheap uncertified Chinese crap to save a few bucks.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on October 31, 2016, 17:55:47
So many adapters listed on the Apple site ...
Not my worries though.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 31, 2016, 18:06:53
Not yet Bjørn but USB-C is rapidly becoming the universal standard for all PC's, Apple is just a little more resolute in implementing it ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on October 31, 2016, 18:27:10
Still no worries - not likely doing any computer "upgrade" for years.
The interesting aspect is learning how one attempts to solve functional issues initially a result of design choices. For example, limiting the RAM amount to reduce power consumption because the thin chassis won't allow a large battery. Some food for thought there.
As at least 50% of my photo friends use Macs I'm certain to get a hands-on experience with these new marvels in due time, though.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on October 31, 2016, 19:22:31
They certainly make some interesting choices. They seem to have a fetish for thin devices. If they kan make a device thinner, they do it. For both my iPhone and the new MBP, I'd rather have a slightly thicker device and a bigger battery. A bigger battery would also make it possible to add more RAM and perhaps an even faster GPU. That's just me though, I'm sure others are of a different opinion :)
If I read it correctly, the ports on the 15" are all full performance. On the 13", it's the two ports on the left side. No ports are what I would call slow though: "For USB devices, all late-2016 MacBook Pro models deliver USB 3.1 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) performance on all Thunderbolt 3 ports."
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 31, 2016, 19:33:37
I might bite as I am kind of in the market for a new laptop, as mine is has been giving me some issues for the past year. One has no way of knowing when my mac will be over the hill - 1 month or 12.
The new mac isn't listed with a price in SA yet - but it is bound to be at least 800$ more here - if not more. I have the opportunity to get one from B&H via a friend - so I am seriously considering this purchase. Any reason why I shouldnt?
Will the Macbook pro 2016 compatible with Photoshop CS6? Any other programs that you are aware of that won't work?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on October 31, 2016, 20:06:29
They certainly make some interesting choices. They seem to have a fetish for thin devices. If they kan make a device thinner, they do it. For both my iPhone and the new MBP, I'd rather have a slightly thicker device and a bigger battery. A bigger battery would also make it possible to add more RAM and perhaps an even faster GPU. That's just me though, I'm sure others are of a different opinion :)
I've been using a MacBook Air the last 7 years so the specs of any of the new pro books will be more than enough, so for me the less is more approach works just fine. The 13" pro model is even smaller than my 13" MBA which is simply amazing with all that extra hardware on board.
At work though a lot of developers use the MacBook Pro's with a lot of virtual OS sessions and such for dev and testing purposes, I suppose they wouldn't mind some extra RAM and horsepower. Probably the same goes for the videographers, game developers, etc.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on October 31, 2016, 20:08:06
The difference between laptop and work station comes into mind ...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: bjornthun on October 31, 2016, 20:37:07
I might bite as I am kind of in the market for a new laptop, as mine is has been giving me some issues for the past year. One has no way of knowing when my mac will be over the hill - 1 month or 12.
The new mac isn't listed with a price in SA yet - but it is bound to be at least 800$ more here - if not more. I have the opportunity to get one from B&H via a friend - so I am seriously considering this purchase. Any reason why I shouldnt?
Will the Macbook pro 2016 compatible with Photoshop CS6? Any other programs that you are aware of that won't work?
You should verify, if your screen calibration hardware/software is compatible with the new Macs.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on October 31, 2016, 20:45:20
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 02, 2016, 22:55:13
... a "review" done with tongue in cheek ....
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 03, 2016, 17:37:45
Nice "review" :D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 03, 2016, 17:55:47
He he, Nice review indeed ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on November 03, 2016, 18:02:38
I was hoping to see 2014 or 2015 models on the used market to become an attractive proposition with the new release, but somehow I fear this will not happen due to the poor design and price/value ratio of the new MBP. Apple increasingly seems to have lost its magic appeal. What remains is the high (outrageous?) price.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 03, 2016, 18:05:40
The screen,,, 8)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 03, 2016, 19:48:08
One odd thing is that they claim the same 10 hour battery life for the 3 models, but the cheap model without the touchbar, have a lower power CPU and a bigger battery.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 03, 2016, 20:19:43
That sounds strange I agree,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 04, 2016, 16:47:07
I am seriously in two minds here - mid 2015 version - or new 2016 version...
Will the new one be compatible with CS6? Apparently it does work - but Adobe didnt pay specific attention to making it compatible.
Any thoughts PLEASE?????
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 04, 2016, 16:52:39
Why shouldn't it be? Same fundamental processor and memory technology should be present and the OS is evolving not redesigned from scratch. As long as you have your legit license and Adobe keep their activation servers alive, you should be just fine. For the time being. That is the dark side of software requiring activation.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 04, 2016, 16:58:26
I dunno - remember I am still on Maverick as well.
I am sure I will upgrade to CC at some point - but I paid good money for CS6 so I am milking it as much as I can
Any reason why it is wise to go for the 2016 rather than a 2015 model right now? big enough price difference to make me think carefully - what else ?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 04, 2016, 17:05:59
It's the touch panel, but that should not take long to program into CC, but must likely never CS
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 04, 2016, 21:18:48
Elsa, Here in the USA, Apple has "factory refurbished" computers for sale. I have purchased Apple refurbished laptop computers, and other devices, several times. As refurbs, they are necessarily about a year or more behind the current models, yet offered with the full warranty as new. I have had excellent service** from all these devices. Conclusion: If it saves substantial money, or has desired features that have been removed from the new one, get last year's model.
** Excellent service means over five years without problems.
PS: On obsolescence between Mac hardware and OS, my mid-2009 13" Macbook Pro went seven years before it was declared ineligible for the next OS iteration(Sierra).
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 05, 2016, 04:33:35
Thanks Pluton I have a philosophy - just because you have money - doesn't mean you have to spend it. but heck the new ones are expensive, in anyone's book.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 05, 2016, 11:06:17
Jose shares some behind the curtain moments at Apple on the new MacBooks
As expected Hitler also has something to say
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 05, 2016, 11:30:03
The Spanish dongle is hilarious. That funny guy has been used before for other videos. I just cannot stop laughing when I ear him. Hitler's is even better story wise. ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 05, 2016, 11:32:40
Apple discounts USB-C adapters till end of 2016 in response to complaints: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/4/13524272/apple-cutting-usb-c-adaptor-prices-macbook-pro
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on November 05, 2016, 12:57:10
This Hitler stuff has been "the" de-facto standard platform for this kind of parody. Way more common than MacOS or Windows! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 05, 2016, 13:04:59
Only funny if you don't understand the German dialogue, which has absolutely nothing in common with the English subtitles.
The film itself, "Der Untergang", is well worth watching for its intrinsic value though. Preferably with correct subtitling if German is not your forte.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 05, 2016, 17:14:33
Apple discounts USB-C adapters till end of 2016 in response to complaints: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/4/13524272/apple-cutting-usb-c-adaptor-prices-macbook-pro (http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/4/13524272/apple-cutting-usb-c-adaptor-prices-macbook-pro)
Really, a few dollars here and there,,, that really doesn't make any difference, it's when you forget the damn adapter at home but need it,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 05, 2016, 17:25:24
Really, a few dollars here and there,,, that really doesn't make any difference, it's when you forget the damn adapter at home but need it,,,
And as Murphy's Law dictates - it happens. I assume buying a "couple" of the USB only adapters and spreading them around the house/office and camera bags (several) will be necessary. Or get a wife. They remember things.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 05, 2016, 17:40:53
He he,,, No comment! ::)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 05, 2016, 22:35:16
I'm curious which adapters everybody is talking about?
USB-C is very powerful and flexible when implemented properly. For instance when one buys a USB-C to lighting cable one can hook up iOS devices to the new MacBooks for syncing or charging but also use it's charger to charge it. Great for travel, bring one charger for both devices, charge them separately or daisy chain them and charge them both at the same time.
At home only a single USB-C cable is needed to power it while also hooking it up to a big screen, fixed network, harddrives, printers, etc. Yes one might need a USB-C hub (or screen with a builtin hub) for that but when thats sorted one has a very high speed docking station solution.
I will probably mis the SD card slot, simply cant remember the last time I've used a card reader. That said, how much longer is SD and it's current speed gonna stay the standard? Speeds increase every year, my 5 year old MBA takes for ever to download a 64GB card whereas a card reader built to the latest standards would be much faster and could cater all formats like CF, CF Fast, XQD, etc (for which people needed to bring a reader anyway).
For me personally a change to USB-C would mean I had to buy: - USB-C to lighting cable for backing up and charging the iPhone (see second paragraph) - USB-C to Micro USB to update my Sony's firmware and as a backup iPhone charging cable (combined with the little micro USB to lightening adapter I already have) - USB-C to USB-A adapter for my other USB devices which use older standards like the label printer, old harddrives, etc
The first two will join me while travelling like their USB-A cousins are doing now so nothing changes here, the latter adapter is so tiny I might just tuck it in the camera bag anyway but there's no need to do so (other then enabling me to borrow other peoples USB-A cables or devices).
For travel the only major chance is that I need to bring a card reader again which I've been doing for years before switching to the Sony's so no big deal IMHO.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 05, 2016, 23:04:10
Only one that fits is my external display,,, I guess - since it's not stated anywhere I can see, even though it is Apples latest 24" display,,, But hey for sure I see that I can just buy the latest of everything, when they come in USB-C
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 05, 2016, 23:09:33
BTW now that we have seen the MacBooks how will the new displays be? :D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 06, 2016, 02:47:02
Very much agree with Jan Anne. Short term pain, long term gain. Only thing I would want is them replacing Lightning with USB Type-C.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 06, 2016, 05:21:35
Definitely a dock for office use and extra USB or 2 to leave in my camera bag/laptop bag
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 06, 2016, 10:57:11
Only thing I would want is them replacing Lightning with USB Type-C.
Was expecting Apple to do so with the iPhone 7 but as USB-C currently doesn't support audio yet they couldn't combine it with their plans to remove the 3.5 headphone jack.
A month ago USB-IF did however publish the specifications for both digital and analog audio over USB-C so expect this interface to be in the iPhone 8 :) http://www.anandtech.com/show/10719/usbif-publishes-audio-over-usb-typec-specifications
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 06, 2016, 11:41:20
Very much agree with Jan Anne. Short term pain, long term gain. Only thing I would want is them replacing Lightning with USB Type-C.
I also agree - The big question here is how long time is 'Short term'
USB-C is the future but as this is still a transition period it would have been nice to see at least one or two USB-3 ports as well as one or two USB-C
Why do they 'need' to put three/four USB-C into the 15" ? with the compatibility of USB-C two should be enough,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 06, 2016, 13:07:35
The price bumps are big but so is the performance, the builtin SSD is apparently the fastest out there: https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/2016-macbook-pro-ssd/
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Post by: Erik Lund on November 06, 2016, 13:11:59
That is beyond fast! This will actually make a big difference for large camera files,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 06, 2016, 13:16:17
So, JA and others, which model are buying? 13" without the dedicated graphic card? I5 or i7? I suppose 16GB RAM is the only set feature :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 06, 2016, 13:40:05
The larger the SSD the faster, as far as I know,,,
Graphic card - well you are editing and displaying very large files and stitched files,,,
i7 is the best a man can get,,,
8) :-*
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 06, 2016, 14:14:35
I wanted to jump on the USB-C bandwagon ages ago and the new MacBooks seem the perfect excuse to do so but I became hesitant once the prices were announced. I'm in no rush so I'll probably wait for a nice black friday, tax free Media Market day (-21%) or likewise deal to take the edge off . Or maybe its time to schedule a NG event in the US when they hit the shelfs ;D
Currently I'm going back and forth between 13" and 15" models, the former is a high spec replacement of my 5+ year old MacBook Air and the latter offers quad core CPU's, discrete GPU and of course that glorious 15" screen.
Performance wise the 13" will be more than enough as it runs circles around my ancient i7 MBA which works just fine for me even with the 42MP files as I don't do batch processing. The 13" would also allow me to tuck it into my Billingham Hadley Pro bag just like the MBA, with the 15" I also need to buy another camera slash travel bag.
Choices, choices and even more choices :o :o
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 06, 2016, 15:48:55
JA, the tax free Media Markt offer, as I remember, never included Mac products. I am inclined to go for the 15" just to make my Erik proud of me. i7 quad-core and 4GB of dedicated GPU is probably the way to go. The 15" will be lighter than my current MacBook Pro for 200 grams, wider 2cm and longer 1cm, which doesn't really mean that I will need a larger bag... Now, how do we save on the taxes :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: chris dees on November 06, 2016, 15:57:59
JA, the tax free Media Markt offer, as I remember, never included Mac products. I am inclined to go for the 15" just to make my Erik proud of me. i7 quad-core and 4GB of dedicated GPU is probably the way to go. The 15" will be lighter than my current MacBook Pro for 200 grams, wider 2cm and longer 1cm, which doesn't really mean that I will need a larger bag... Now, how do we save on the taxes :)
The last time Media Markt included Mac products is already 3 years ago. I got my iMac at that time. :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 06, 2016, 16:02:12
I also agree - The big question here is how long time is 'Short term'
USB-C is the future but as this is still a transition period it would have been nice to see at least one or two USB-3 ports as well as one or two USB-C
Why do they 'need' to put three/four USB-C into the 15" ? with the compatibility of USB-C two should be enough,,,
I'm sure alle the manufacturers of third party gear are happy with the change :)
I'm not sure in which cases the 4GB memory on the GFX card would be needed? Gaming? Running Dual 5K displays?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 06, 2016, 20:07:16
I also agree - The big question here is how long time is 'Short term'
USB-C is the future but as this is still a transition period it would have been nice to see at least one or two USB-3 ports as well as one or two USB-C
Why do they 'need' to put three/four USB-C into the 15" ? with the compatibility of USB-C two should be enough,,,
USB 3: At this point, the train has left the station. 3 or 4 USB-C jacks: I have learned never to wish for less holes. Currently with USB2 and 3, some peripherals(my external audio DAC, for example) do not work through hubs and splitters. Maybe USB-C will end this madness? Don't count on it...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 06, 2016, 21:37:54
USB-C should be able to daisy-chain devices right?
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Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 07, 2016, 07:03:36
USB-C should be able to daisy-chain devices right?
USB Type-C is just the connector. I believe both USB and Thunderbolt is able to daisy chain.
That reminds me: Watch out for bad USB Type-C cables! Someone on Reddit made a spreadsheet that gives a nice overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3robzo/google_spreadsheet_for_usbc_cables_with_benson/
This is based on Benson Leung's Amazon reviews. Benson Leung is part of the Google Pixel team: https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/LH4PPgVrKVN
All his reviews can be seen here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
Worst case scenario is getting your laptop fried: https://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R2XDBFUD9CTN2R?ref_=glimp_1rv_cl
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 07, 2016, 09:02:08
I get worried when even 'IT experts' are uncertain if something will work,,, ;)
Thanks Jørgen! JA already also warned about the cheap cables - Interesting,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 07, 2016, 11:17:19
From what I understand, you can connect the new MacBook Pro's to one of the new LG 5k monitors and it'll drive the display and it will charge your laptop at the same time. The display works as a hub too.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 07, 2016, 11:43:11
Thanks Jørgen. From what I hear the LG panels are state of the art,,, have not even seen one yet - If they really are that good they are very reasonable priced,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 07, 2016, 18:36:27
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=EXPfSopuMIQ
New Macbook Pro can't walk & chew gum at same time(watch wifi + USB = fail)
has anyone see this fail ???
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 07, 2016, 19:08:44
I only watched the first 10 minutes and clearly he found some kind of bug. The bug could also be in the adapter, who knows? If it's a problem with the MacBook, I'm sure Apple will fix it.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 07, 2016, 19:55:25
From what I understand, you can connect the new MacBook Pro's to one of the new LG 5k monitors and it'll drive the display and it will charge your laptop at the same time. The display works as a hub too.
That is correct, those are btw also discounted for the time being to help with the USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 transition ;D
The 5K version with built in 85W charger: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKN62LL/A/lg-ultrafine-5k-display?fnode=8a
And a 4K version with a built in 60W charger: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/HKMY2LL/A/lg-ultrafine-4k-display?fnode=8a
The 13" MBP comes with a 60W charger and the 15" with a 87W charger in the box, the 4K screen will charge the 15" MBP's but might not have enough power to keep it topped off while in use.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 07, 2016, 20:04:06
Apparently, USB Type-C cannot be daisy chained in the original sense of the word, where a single connecting cable runs between devices down the chain. Multiple devices can be connected through the use of added hubs. More to buy, more spaghetti... Thunderbolt was limited to 6 downstream devices on the Macbook Pro laptops; I don't know if this a Thunderbolt(Intel) limit or an Apple limit.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 07, 2016, 20:29:16
I only watched the first 10 minutes and clearly he found some kind of bug. The bug could also be in the adapter, who knows? If it's a problem with the MacBook, I'm sure Apple will fix it.
I am also wondering if it isnt the adapter - since there has been some ramblings about adapters not working properly with the MBP's I assume going for the Apple adapter (which is on special) is the only way to go
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 07, 2016, 20:37:43
Okey so apparently even the Apple adapters are not that great - http://www.apple.com/shop/reviews/MJ1K2AM/A/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 07, 2016, 20:57:54
Maybe USB-C isn't a mature technology yet? I read through some of the user reviews and they were horrible entertainment to say the least.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 07, 2016, 21:18:11
Thanks for the updates on displays and USB-C :D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on November 07, 2016, 21:34:26
I have an impression of the connector in general falling victim of cost cut, especially the newer small ones like micro USB, micro HDMI, etc. They are too flimsy in the first place. Even the SD card slot of my MacBook Air I used last year was not very good and sometimes failed to recognize the inserted card.
USB-C connector should be of no exception.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 08, 2016, 05:28:07
thing is - do you keep buying adapters till you find one which DOES work and dont cause wifi + USB fail
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Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 08, 2016, 06:41:48
I'm sure the internet will tell you which one to buy :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on November 08, 2016, 06:57:51
I'm sure the internet will tell you which one to buy :)
You need to connect to the internet in the first place! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 08, 2016, 08:11:20
😂😂😂
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Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 08, 2016, 11:34:51
You guys are not helping me!!
If I get a Mac from B&H - I can't very well send it back if I have any issues!!
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 08, 2016, 11:40:09
Relax and enjoy your new machine.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 10, 2016, 15:06:22
The New MacBook Pro series is getting a lot of flack for not being Pro,,,
Seems the performance is not up to what the 'Pros' where expecting,,, the AMD graphic processor use a lot of juice compared to NVIDIA, not what was expected,,, the new keyboard is still flat and not much better than the old and on top of that the' USB-C only' - It seems even die hard Apple fans are complaining now,,,
I was checking out the new 13" Space grey without the touch bar yesterday, sure its small and nimble and looks sleek but I'll pass this one. Maybe the 'All options' tick marked are up to the Pro name, I don't know.
Reminds me of when the first MacBook Pro series came out with Retina display, when working with graphics and images the screen refresh rate was so slow it was unusable,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 10, 2016, 15:13:38
I have decided also to give this one a miss. I believe the 2017 model will look better - and I will try to hold out for that one. Let's give them some space to breathe
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 10, 2016, 15:40:52
Also decided to skip these for now as the MBA still works just fine.
That might change though, promised myself a DJI Mavic Pro drone for Christmas on the condition that the rooms upstairs have been painted 8)
Processing 4K video on a 5 year old MBA might just kill it ;D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 10, 2016, 17:38:06
Erik, are you talking about the bad performance of the 15" models or just the 13" without the touch bar? I will get used to the keyboard and to USB-C ports, but I will NOT get used to bad performance :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 10, 2016, 22:48:53
I don't have first hand experience with the 15" yet,,, ;)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 12, 2016, 15:43:08
Explaining Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, and Everything In Between: https://tidbits.com/article/16870
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 12, 2016, 21:34:17
Maybe Eric was referring to the first generation Retina Macbook Pros (Mid 2012, in my case) that had a defective Retina screen that had horrendous image retention problems...a ghost 'afterimage' lingers for many minutes after the screen content has been changed. I have one. I use it with an external monitor. Apple offered it to me for pennies as a repair replacement when they couldn't fix my older MBPro.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 13, 2016, 13:08:26
Yes, and they replaced the graphics cards I believe in those fist retina machines,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Lorne on November 14, 2016, 19:45:06
Here is a video editors opinion after a week using one of the new MBP 15 w/touchbar:
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Post by: Jakov Minić on November 15, 2016, 02:01:41
Lorne, thank you. I feel a lot better now :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Harald on November 15, 2016, 09:24:13
Hi,
any Thinkpaduser here? Fixed battery, fixed Ram, proprietary SSD. If i could choose: Appledisplay combined with a Thinkpad. ;)
Harald
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 15, 2016, 09:47:30
I'm using Thinkpads. Not certain what you imply with "Fixed battery, fixed RAM, proprietary SSD" as the Thinkpads have none of these features. They really are excellent for tinkering to make the setup optimal for a specific use. Currently running them with 32 GB RAM and 1.5 - 2 TB TB SSD drives.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 15, 2016, 11:04:03
That is how I'm set up at home Thinkpad and Apple Cinema Display if that is what your asking, the Thinkpad has MiniDisplay port connection,,,
Problem is they don't sell the Retina Display yet, the LG 4K and 5K enroute are not Apple or oem, so not the same as the iMac4K or 5K,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 15, 2016, 11:12:24
Plus put the machine in a docking station and there is no end to all the possible connections you can enjoy ...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 15, 2016, 11:34:29
Yes I use a docking station as well although it doesn't support Mini Display port,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Øivind Tøien on November 15, 2016, 12:14:24
My Thinkpad Ultradock has at least one display port, just not mini. Buy an adapter if you need to connect to the mini-version.
I do not think it supports 4K resolution though.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Harald on November 15, 2016, 12:29:33
Hi,
i am using a Thinkpad. ;) Only the displays are not as good as an Apple. All the other stuff is Pro. ;)
Harald6
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 15, 2016, 12:40:00
Yes no 4K - They 'only' support up to 2560x1600 DVI-D
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 15, 2016, 14:06:51
I'm running 5120x1600 ...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 15, 2016, 14:28:42
You mean two screens, two ports each 2560x1600 :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 15, 2016, 14:32:04
Can we open up another thread for Thinkpads?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on November 15, 2016, 16:03:14
The solution for all connectivity problems? (in your own home office, not on the move)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Andrea B. on November 15, 2016, 16:41:26
The dock is very cool. BUT it is not so portable.
I think this is what upsets me the most about the new MacBooks. I want more portability without a lot of hanging dongling thingies. (Oh LA!! This is making me laugh. But you know what I mean....I hope.)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: simato73 on November 15, 2016, 20:39:25
I think this is what upsets me the most about the new MacBooks. I want more portability without a lot of hanging dongling thingies. (Oh LA!! This is making me laugh. But you know what I mean....I hope.)
hanging dongling thingy? ;) ;D Anyway... I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: annediNGSupporter on November 15, 2016, 21:06:01
It's bad enough that I forget I have an external hard drive dongled onto my MacBook and then pick up the laptop to move to a more comfortable place only to have a hard drive land on my toe.
Here is a riff on the need for dongle doodads. It is really kinda silly but after a while I had to laugh too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 16, 2016, 19:33:14
Problem is they don't sell the Retina Display yet, the LG 4K and 5K enroute are not Apple or oem, so not the same as the iMac4K or 5K,,,
From what I understand, Apple will not manufacture standalone monitors anymore: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/apple-out-of-display-business/
In other news, it's even more important now to get your configuration correct as even the SSD is now soldered onto the motherboard now, except for the Macbook Escape: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/11/touch-bar-mbp-teardown-soldered-ssd-cosmetic-speaker-holes-and-more/
They have also posted a review of the new touch bar models: http://arstechnica.com/video/2016/11/the-2016-13-and-15-inch-touch-bar-macbook-pros-reviewed/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on November 16, 2016, 20:21:08
Thank you, no need to wait any longer then,,,
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Post by: Jakov Minić on November 17, 2016, 12:03:36
Thanks Jørgen!
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 22, 2016, 18:11:56
Apparently Jony Ive isn't involved anymore in the product designs including the latest MacBooks: http://appadvice.com/post/john-gruber-jony-ive-lately-not-directly-involved-product-design/728155
This $300 "Designed by Apple" photo book should be seen as a testament of the former head of design:
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 22, 2016, 18:40:16
interesting and expensive :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 25, 2016, 01:41:06
An unboxing and hookup vid of the new 5K screen, looks like a very nice and clean setup with the new MBP.
And the need to attach just one cable for the screen and power is very cool :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: David H. Hartman on November 25, 2016, 05:41:43
I'm writing to Santa Claus.
Dave Hartman
Wait, I don't believe in Santa Claus...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 25, 2016, 08:09:25
Yeah, it's a quite nice setup. It worries me a bit that they have dropped out of the display business and now also the router and time machine business.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: chris dees on November 25, 2016, 08:24:27
Yeah, it's a quite nice setup. It worries me a bit that they have dropped out of the display business and now also the router and time machine business.
Apple is "just" a money machine. If the revenues are not big enough, they'll drop the product.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 25, 2016, 08:36:39
Yeah, it's a quite nice setup. It worries me a bit that they have dropped out of the display business and now also the router and time machine business.
no more Time machine backup? then what?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 25, 2016, 11:00:16
Yeah, it's a quite nice setup. It worries me a bit that they have dropped out of the display business and now also the router and time machine business.
Can you elaborate please, as it's still supported by Sierra
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: stenrasmussen on November 25, 2016, 11:19:02
Can you elaborate please, as it's still supported by Sierra
It is Time Capsule which is (probably) being discontinued. This is a wireless router with a hard drive attached. I had one once, and it was good, but when it ran out of hard drive space I did not replace it with another. I use a router from my ISP and a separate hard drive for my time machine backups.
Apple appears to be getting out of the router business, so it is logical that Time Capsule would be dropped (although it is still on sale in the Apple UK store).
Here is an article explaining a little more. http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-airport-time-capsule-routers-discontinued-2016-11?r=US&IR=T
I expect that this is a sensible business decision with no wider implications.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: PedroS on November 25, 2016, 12:15:30
Thanks Anthony. I still have my time capsule working, it's now 10 years old, but have changed drives inside often, thought.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on November 25, 2016, 16:05:40
It worries me a bit that they have dropped out of the display business and now also the router and time machine business.
The Cinema displays and TimeCapsule were invented in a time without very little competition, now others have better solutions at lower prices so Apple lost its differentiator to justify their premium products for premium prices strategy. I remember the first time I saw the 30" Cinema display more than a decade ago, I was simply stunned that one could edit images at full resolution with leftover space for the menus. Now every vendor has these big screens for a lot less money.
TimeCapsule was invented in an era when Internet providers only provided a modem and one had to by their own wifi router, now the wifi routers with builtin modem comes standard with an Internet subscription. Also a TimeMachine compatible NAS is now a much better and resilient storage solution for a little more money.
For the same reasons other companies like IBM and Sony decided to sell their entire laptop devisions, Samsung who pushed these brands out of the business will undergo the same faith soon as well. In a few years we'll only have Apple MacOS and Lenovo Windows laptops.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on November 25, 2016, 16:32:59
In a few years we'll only have Apple MacOS and Lenovo Windows laptops.
And neither will be cheaper on Black Friday
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jacques on November 25, 2016, 17:57:56
Intending to visit the Birmingham Apple Store Saturday to have a look at the new MBP,( not the sole reason for the trip I am on bag carrying duties following my wife around with a bored look on my face 😎 ) initial enquiries made by phone but they were not sure when they would be on display or available to purchase. My present machine is a mid 2012 version so for the money I hope there is a significant speed benefit, I have to factor in a Thunderbolt and USB adaptor to be able to use my hard drives and card reader, is there anything else I need to give thought too ?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on November 25, 2016, 23:08:32
Jacques, go see it. I have a difficulty in purchasing the $3.000 15" model without even seeing it. I have only seen the 13" without the touch-bar. It's amazingly small, they deliberately placed it next to the MacBook Air and you can easily see that it's smaller.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on November 26, 2016, 00:57:01
I only saw the 13" Touchbar at the Apple Store. I finally ordered the 15", Intel I7 2.7 GHz, 16GB, 1TB SSD, and the Radeon 460 4GB graphic processor. Somewhat oversized, but as everything is soldered inside, I have to foresee my future needs. The Touchbar is fun; maybe some applications can take benefit of it.
And I got a discount of about 8%.
Now I have to chase for USB-C hubs & connections.....
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on November 27, 2016, 10:59:48
Yeah, sorry about the confusion @ Time Machine. It's the hardware they are discontinuing. The reason it worries me is that they are abandoning several things: Displays, routers, Time Capsule and what about the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro? They make this wonderful professional workstation and then never updates it? They are still showing how fast it is running Aperture on their site...
In other news, here's an article about why USB Type-C is cool: https://medium.com/@ageitgey/the-new-macbook-pro-is-kind-of-great-for-hackers-64c1c577a4d2#.tzwa347yh
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on November 27, 2016, 12:25:55
USB-C will be a bit a pain in the neck in the beginning, but an excellent solution, further down the road. Two years ago, I was envisaging a Mac Pro (the "dustbin"); in the meantime it became very silent around this machine; I also learnt about the relative poor cost/performance; so I decided to go for another MBP.
Has anybody some experience with the MacPro ?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Anthony on November 27, 2016, 19:58:11
Yeah, sorry about the confusion @ Time Machine. It's the hardware they are discontinuing. The reason it worries me is that they are abandoning several things: Displays, routers, Time Capsule and what about the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro? They make this wonderful professional workstation and then never updates it? They are still showing how fast it is running Aperture on their site...
In other news, here's an article about why USB Type-C is cool: https://medium.com/@ageitgey/the-new-macbook-pro-is-kind-of-great-for-hackers-64c1c577a4d2#.tzwa347yh
They will abandon things which are not profitable, and stick with things which are profitable. It is the purchaser who will decide which is which.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jacques on November 27, 2016, 23:56:52
I went, I saw and because they actually had stock i purchased one :-) All seems to be working as expected, I moved all my image files from my old machine to my raid backup drives and then used the migration assistant feature to transfer all my programs and settings to the new machine, I was pleasantly surprised that everything worked perfectly taking approx 45 minutes, I had to sign out of Photoshop on the old machine and re sign in on the new machine, this was an area I had a small problem 4 years ago on my previous machine upgrade. Initial impression. performance seems to be as i expected, the machine is slightly smaller with narrower bezels around the screen, slightly lighter in weight, the larger trackpad is taking a bit of time to get used too as i am making unintentional commands due to not keeping my fingers clear. Two ' dongles ' were purchased to allow connection to my original version Thunderbolt external hard drives and my USB3 card reader, The keyboard is a bit firm with muted sound when typing, a bit like gently tapping on a cardboard box !
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Post by: simato73 on November 28, 2016, 00:03:12
I went, I saw and because they actually had stock i purchased one :-) All seems to be working as expected, I moved all my image files from my old machine to my raid backup drives and then used the migration assistant feature to transfer all my programs and settings to the new machine, I was pleasantly surprised that everything worked perfectly taking approx 45 minutes, I had to sign out of Photoshop on the old machine and re sign in on the new machine, this was an area I had a small problem 4 years ago on my previous machine upgrade. Initial impression. performance seems to be as i expected, the machine is slightly smaller with narrower bezels around the screen, slightly lighter in weight, the larger trackpad is taking a bit of time to get used too as i am making unintentional commands due to not keeping my fingers clear. Two ' dongles ' were purchased to allow connection to my original version Thunderbolt external hard drives and my USB3 card reader, The keyboard is a bit firm with muted sound when typing, a bit like gently tapping on a cardboard box !
Which one did you get?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 28, 2016, 07:24:32
The Apple stand alone routers (Airport Extreme) were really good. Very quick to set up and relatively trouble free compared to the earlier Belkin units I had.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jacques on November 28, 2016, 10:40:07
I bought the 2.7 version, the top model I think 2.9 would have entailed waiting until the new year for delivery, as far as I could work out most of the extra cost between the 2.7 and 2.9 is caused but the larger SSD drive fitted to the 2.9 version. I very rarely have to wait for the computer, it is normally waiting for me to make my next decision 😎. The touch bar I think will be useful after getting familiar with its functions, I just need to remember to look down and see what options are available.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: pluton on November 28, 2016, 19:10:27
A recent brief article that offers an explanation of why Apple does some of the things it does: http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/27/13706776/apple-functional-divisional (http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/27/13706776/apple-functional-divisional)
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Post by: MFloyd on November 28, 2016, 23:56:12
Good article. Thank you.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 02, 2016, 01:22:19
Some people will regret the MagSafe connector on the new MBP. Snapnator www.snapnator.com a startup comes up with a handsome little magnetic connector. Available upcoming January:
https://youtu.be/NFFfCqlfsNA
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on December 02, 2016, 10:28:29
The snapnator is very welcome and I will probably get one depending on price...
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 02, 2016, 15:01:24
$29 for the basic kit and Kickstarter subscribers https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/436147229/snapnator-your-macbook-snap-feature-is-back
One worry I have about that solution is having such a thing sticking out of the laptop all the time. Or do you plan to pull it out every time?
I suppose you can pull it out when you are not using the laptop powered from the wall - keep the little magnetic thing stuck to the end of the power cable maybe?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on December 02, 2016, 17:10:59
I have pledged for the snapnator :D I don't mind it sticking out that little bit at all. You cannot expect it not to stick out, can you? Thank you MFloyd for the link! Hopefully, they will find sufficient funding and realise this project.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on December 02, 2016, 17:21:40
Hopefully, they will find sufficient funding and realise this project.
They have already been funded nearly ten times as much as their originally aimed amount, and they still have more than three weeks to go. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 02, 2016, 18:26:08
I didn't found the exact dimensions. I found a close rendering; and we can make a rough estimate, comparing the dimension of the connector to the depth of USB-C plug.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on December 09, 2016, 10:38:45
It looks like battery life has taken a serious hit: https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/07/2016-macbook-pro-battery-life-complaints/
The thing is, as long as it's sitting idle, it's very economic and that's great but when the CPU is actually working, it hasn't really improved that much compared to previous generations. Combine that with a much smaller battery and you're in trouble. If you mostly use it plugged in, then it's not that big an issue, but just like their iPhones, I would wish they were less obsessed with making their products thinner and thinner.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on December 09, 2016, 11:20:26
Thanks Jørgen,,,
This made my day:
How do you enable solar power on the touch bar?
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jan Anne on December 09, 2016, 12:08:11
Strange, both models do 10 hours playing video when tested on a leading Dutch tech site.
Certain apps aren't very good when it comes to power management, apparently the Microsoft apps like Outlook keep switching to the power hungry dGPU when the iGPU is more than capable of handling the job at hand. I would recommend to keep an eye on these apps and when necessary turn the auto switching for the GPU off to force the use of the more energy efficient iGPU when doing casual things like browsing, email, watching video, etc.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: chris dees on December 09, 2016, 12:29:33
Lloyd Chambers is upset on it as wel. :) According to him it could be a problem with the GPU-driver
"Accordingly this seems like a GPU driver bug is at work, perhaps introduced in macOS Sierra, and having nothing to do with the 2016 MacBook Pro. With Apple’s poor software QA, this theory makes the most sense of all."
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 09, 2016, 19:02:33
Ten years with Mac, and before, up to the 80's, with MS. I had a much much better SQA experience with the 🍎
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: David H. Hartman on December 09, 2016, 21:29:44
If you mostly use it plugged in, then it's not that big an issue, but just like their iPhones, I would wish they were less obsessed with making their products thinner and thinner.
This is the fault of the average customer. The old adage, "The customer is always right." is frequently wrong.
Dave Hartman
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Akira on December 13, 2016, 15:18:16
Just now CC 2017 was updated to version 18.0.1. which supports the "Touch Bar".
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on December 16, 2016, 10:22:00
More details about the battery life of the new models: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/12/explaining-the-battery-life-problems-with-the-new-macbook-pros/
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 16, 2016, 10:34:56
Quite balanced article, as I was afraid for another "Mac Bashing" writing. One comment: the "14 days return, no questions" option is only valid for off the shelf models; mine being "purpose built" i.e. 1TB SSD @ 460 4GB GPU, no free return guarantee.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on December 29, 2016, 00:38:26
I calibrated and tested the 15" screen of my new MBP 2016. Herewith the DataColor report which was generated during the calibration:
The analysis shows a gamut which matches the DCI-P3 gamut, largely exceeding Adobe sRGB and closely overlapping Adobe RGB.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on January 16, 2017, 15:19:17
I received the confirmation from Apple that the mini-DVI connection doesn't work with the new MBP 2016; and will never do. So, bye bye, my cherished Apple Cinema Display (to the great joy of my daughter who will inherit the screen). BTW, no trace of the famous, Apple distributed, LG 4k and 5k screens; reason: in Switzerland, we have these strange 3 prong power connectors and they have to produce a particular batch for here....
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on January 16, 2017, 16:19:29
Only the 13" is available here in SA - the new 15" hasn't hot our shores yet - I am getting almost desperate for a new laptop - might have to go for the 2015 model
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on January 18, 2017, 11:39:48
If I was you, I would wait. I had a quick look at BH; but no MBP 2016's are available for export.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: elsa hoffmann on January 18, 2017, 20:25:50
Mr Floyd - I cant get a Mac from B&H - not shipped to me that is - unless someone is coming to visit and can bring me one. Even so - if I HAVE to buy now, it will be the 2015 model I think. So much cheaper from B&H at this stage. But I will try hang on as long as possible before buying at this stage.
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on January 19, 2017, 00:32:25
The new 15" Mac Book Pro is a beauty! And, I don't mind the dongles at all :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Erik Lund on January 19, 2017, 09:21:45
Congratulations! Enjoy;)
We are looking forward to reviews,,,
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on January 19, 2017, 10:10:04
Enjoy your new "toy" :)
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jakov Minić on January 21, 2017, 21:46:32
I have noticed that the Nik Collection crashes with the New Mac Book Pro?! I reinstalled it but with no luck ;(
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on February 19, 2017, 10:34:02
I saw what's supposedly the next generation Macbook: (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2588/32986487015_2ffe99e950_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SfUnmK) Macbook (https://flic.kr/p/SfUnmK) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jramskov/), on Flickr
:P
Title: Re: Rumor: New MacBooks enroute
Post by: MFloyd on February 19, 2017, 15:43:49