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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #180 on: September 02, 2020, 09:40:45 »
Fantastic set of images. Great work! That night shot is outstanding

Thank you Paco  :) since June 18,



about 2 ½ months ago, and close to 10’000 clicks further down, I can reasonably ascertain that this is an outstanding  camera, well worth it’s « 6 » digit; perfectly suitable for my photographic activity i.e. sport & action. The main improvement being a even better AF - improved by, I would say, 15-20 % -; it’s excellent overall (color) rendition, requiring minimal or no post processing; and it’s easy to use wireless link to the outside world, where, for once, SnapBridge seems to work seamless. GPS localisation is very welcome. And quite unexpectedly, the GPS time stamps proved to be an asset in syncing image with other technical data collected by the race engineers of my team.  :)
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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #181 on: September 02, 2020, 10:15:51 »
i noticed that there are no big changes from the D3s up to the D6 apart from the LCD technology :o :o :o
all we get are incremental upgrades on ISO, megapixel and performance, some ergonomic changes here and there.

I'm not sure what you mean by the LCD technology? Has there been big improvement in displays? I suppose it has been so gradual that I haven't really noticed.

Or, do you mean the features in live view?

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do you think that camera technology has stopped advancing in the past couple of years? ::)

Yes and no. I don't have a D6 but the D5 AF is quite dramatically better compared to its predecessors, especially when photographing approaching subjects using some of the peripheral focus points (with fast enough lenses to support them as cross-type, mostly this means f/4 or faster). The resolution has gone up and fps rate too (especially in the D6). In my D3, I couldn't really use the continuous shooting feature because so many shots would be out of focus e.g. photographing vertical images of runners, using the linear points placed on the face. Most shots would be out of focus in this scenerio. With D5, most shots in the same situation are in focus. In Multi-CAM 3500 series bodies, the focus points were also larger in their sensitive fields and backlit subjects would be most of the time focused on the hair that is lit brightly from behind, and not the eyes. Multi-CAM 20k - pinpoint focus on the eye. However, results still vary from lens to lens and latest lenses focus more consistently than many older lenses. Partly I think because they're optically better corrected and so the focus is clear to see where it is, but it seems the motors have improved as well. So, I would say that the development in the past 10-12 years has been rapid and remarkable.

However, sensor side doesn't seem to be improving rapidly any more in terms of image quality; it seems that rather than absolute still image quality, the focus is now on the speed of reading the data from the sensor. This helps video, live view, EVF (for mirrorless) and allows features like 45 MP 9 fps in the D850. To me the sensors are good enough now, and from my point of view autofocus is where the biggest improvements have taken place in the last eight years or so.

To me one area which I think is of great importance is the viewfinder. I noticed a distinct drop in viewfinder quality and my ability to focus using the matte screen between the F5 and D3. I did some testing of the same subjects and was shocked at how much better I could focus manually using the F5. This was a great disappointment to me at the time. However, in the D810, Nikon improved the clarity of the OVF (new coatings) and I was relieved (maybe the D4s got this too?), and with the D850/D5 the viewfinder is again a delight to use, though eyepoint has shortened in the D850 and this is mildly annoying as I have to use certain kind of glasses to maximize the shooting comfort and I would have preferred greater eyepoint.

In the D850 Nikon implemented EFCS that is available also in viewfinder shooting (Q/Qc modes), and the D780 and D6 also have this feature. On the D850, I've noticed a distinct benefit to using EFCS with my 500 mm PF in the sharpness of hand-held photographs, though this is limited to 3 fps (on the D6, I recall Qc allows up to 5 fps). I find this feature very invaluable.

There is also new customisation features which have made the cameras more user-friendly, though Nikon unfortunately seem to concentrate them to the top models.

Snapbridge was terrible when it first came out in 2016 but nowadays it seems to work OK and I often use it to send images to friends and colleagues when I'm out shooting, trying to spread the excitement that I have of the subjects. However, it's still slow in the D850, and my understanding is that newer cameras transfer images faster than the first models. I would eventually like to see images pop up on my iPad or laptop as I shoot during portrait shooting, so people that I'm working with can see what I'm shooting and be more part of the process. This is now possible using a cable but I'd rather not have cables everywhere as they cause some hazards for equipment and people. So, better wireless functionality is very much desired. D5/D6 can use the WT-6 but I am reluctant to pay so much money for an accessory that cannot work with my high image quality camera (D850). Incompatibility between accessories and camera models is very annoying.

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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #182 on: September 02, 2020, 10:56:35 »
Thank you. Too kind  :)

I’m not sure that I get it re LCD technology.

Yes, I have the same feeling that the actual photo technology is somewhat stalling. But I have no idea what quantum leap technology could be in the pipeline.

Some would argue the D3 represents a major set of innovations.  https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3658529591/the-gear-that-changed-my-photographic-life-the-nikon-d3

On the other hand, each of the subsequent Pro DSLRs have inaugurated their respective set of key innovations. these have included improved sensors in lowlight, Autofocus, and Haptics/Ergonomics. Wireless/digital image transfer has also improved significantly. Looking back to advances since 2007, Nikon has extended the diversity of new features across the D8*0 as well as the D* cameras. Key features have also been "cloned" laterally, as in the AF engines: notably the D5 AF into D500 and D850.
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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #183 on: September 02, 2020, 11:20:28 »
Wonderful images, super impressed and agreed the night shot is outstanding!Yes there has been a gradual performance increase in all of the Pro cameras always, for every new camera, not just LCD  :o ;D

The D3 vas really a milestone, just as the D1 was! with FX all of the Nikkor F where liberated and a joy to use. IMHO the DSLRs from Nikon are as good as needed for 98% of Pro shooting - There will always be niche 2% that can find something they can complain or wish to be better about  ;)
 
The new Z series will for sure take the same steps of evolution but that is another story,,,


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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #184 on: September 02, 2020, 19:18:41 »
i noticed that there are no big changes from the D3s up to the D6 apart from the LCD technology :o :o :o
all we get are incremental upgrades on ISO, megapixel and performance, some ergonomic changes here and there.

do you think that camera technology has stopped advancing in the past couple of years? ::)

I think that the D6 is similar to the F5 or F6, approaching the limits of the technology line.
The Z line of cameras has a long way to go.

I would categorize improvements in low light capability, resolution, AF performance as being technology advancements.
What would you consider to be a "big change"?

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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #185 on: September 02, 2020, 21:48:45 »
Wonderful images, super impressed and agreed the night shot is outstanding!Yes there has been a gradual performance increase in all of the Pro cameras always, for every new camera, not just LCD  :o ;D

The D3 vas really a milestone, just as the D1 was! with FX all of the Nikkor F where liberated and a joy to use. IMHO the DSLRs from Nikon are as good as needed for 98% of Pro shooting - There will always be niche 2% that can find something they can complain or wish to be better about  ;)
 
The new Z series will for sure take the same steps of evolution but that is another story,,,

Too kind Erik.  :D
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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #186 on: September 14, 2020, 19:02:58 »
Too kind Erik.  :D

What kind of battery life are you getting from the D6? Does it work ok with the earlier versions of the EN-EL18?

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Re: Nikon D6 formally announced by Nikon
« Reply #187 on: September 14, 2020, 22:16:59 »
What kind of battery life are you getting from the D6? Does it work ok with the earlier versions of the EN-EL18?

Difficult to say; on the D6 I permanently use GPS and Bluetooth connection with SnapBridge. My guesstimate is about 10% extra consumption. Doesn't impact on my workflow which is within the 1500 clicks a daily session.  :)
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