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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Bjørn Rørslett on November 18, 2015, 09:25:00
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Just got confirmation that the D5 now is official as a project from Nikon. No details of the camera yet. The provided contact telephone number is engaged will try later.
I'm curious why Nikon officially acknowledged a new camera in this early stage of development, though. That is a new policy from their side.
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I don't think it's in early stage of development; normally it would be expect to come out before the summer olympics in Rio (2016).
I suspect there may be a delay in the normal 4-year schedule of release and that's why they give a reassuring confirmation that it is in the works instead of annoucing it as a product to be released imminently. I recall Canon did pretty much the same with the 1D X, it came to the market several months later than the D4.
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Interesting bend on Nikon's tradition. With the current "threat" from the mirrorlessers I wonder if they chose to deviate from the normal 4 year cycle in order to "show the lessers how to do it".
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It's common knowledge that planning of a new camera begins at latest when the previous model is launched. Thus preparations for a D5 obviously has gone on for some time already.
What the announcement of the forthcoming D5 indicate is that Nikon realises the completion is more time-consuming than anticipated and in order not to lose momentum and open for idle speculations, they declare the next model *will* be produced. However, nothing - yet - is known as to a release date, but next Olympics 2016 might be seen as a deadline.
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They also announced Wireless Transmitter WT-6 and Speedlight SB-5000: http://nikonrumors.com/2015/11/18/development-of-nikon-d5-wireless-transmitter-wt-6-and-speedlight-sb-5000-officially-announced.aspx/
It is a bit strange announcement for sure, they are basically stating the obvious.
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Basically they announce there will be a new, complete system camera. Most potential buyers would have gleaned that from the 'D5' name already.
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A link to the official announcement:
http://www.nikon.com/news/2015/1118_dslr_01.htm (http://www.nikon.com/news/2015/1118_dslr_01.htm)
Development of Digital SLR Camera Nikon D5
November 18, 2015
TOKYO - Nikon Corporation is pleased to announce that it is developing the Nikon D5 digital SLR camera, which represents the next generation of professional Nikon FX-format models.
The new Wireless Transmitter WT-6 and Speedlight SB-5000, which will be positioned at the top of Nikon's Speedlight lineup, are also being developed.
Through the combination of this next-generation professional camera offering an even higher level of performance, these advanced accessories and the rich lineup of existing NIKKOR lenses, Nikon is pursuing further possibilities for imaging expression.
*Details including release date and suggested retail price for this product have not yet been determined.
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I was a bit surprised to receive the letter from NPS this morning saying nothing of interest really:
Entwicklung der digitalen Spiegelreflexkamera Nikon D5
Nikon gibt die Entwicklung der digitalen Spiegelreflexkamera D5 bekannt, die die nächste Generation der Nikon-FX-Profimodelle repräsentiert.
Außerdem werden der neue Wireless-LAN-Adapter WT-6 und das Blitzgerät SB-5000, als Flaggschiff der Nikon-Produktreihe von Blitzgeräten, entwickelt.
Durch die Kombination dieser Profi-Kamera der nächsten Generation mit noch höherer Leistung und dem fortschrittlichen Zubehör sowie der umfangreichen Produktreihe der NIKKOR-Objektive, schafft Nikon neue Möglichkeiten der Bildgestaltung und des fotografischen Ausdrucks.
Details für diese Produkte, wie das offizielle Veröffentlichungsdatum und die empfohlenen Verkaufspreise, wurden noch nicht festgelegt.
Hinweis:
Technische Daten und Ausstattung können sich ohne vorherige Ankündigung oder Verpflichtung seitens des Herstellers ändern.
Is it mirrorless or just a minor improvement over the D4s or the D750? Revolution like the D3 or evolution like the D4?
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I can not think that Nikon would jump into FF mirrorless for their top camera just before the Olympics. If I am wrong it would mean that Nikon has cracked the AF gap between mirrorless and DSLR, and OVF vs EVF.... that would make them the industry leader for sure :) .... but what about the long , fast lenses required for Sport???? I do not think anyone would want to count on adapted lens and they have just updated some of the best. Are the new electronic lenses a sign of things to come?
Just my 2 Rupees
Tom
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The AF of the new Leica SL is about as fast as a Nikon D4 - it will depend on lens design and type, I think Nikon could make just as fast mirror less AF lenses as the current F-mount lenses.
The view finder is so good and with features that it surpasses the view finder of the D4.
You actually see the image as recorded in so high image quality and frame rate you will not believe it - This is not a 'mirror less finder' like the ones from the m34 series etc.
There is no downside to having an adapter in-between the body and the current F-Mount lenses it's just empty space normally taken up by the mirror,,,
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The Nikon announcement reveals "Nikon D5 digital SLR camera", in other words it will not be mirrorless.
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My bet: Hybrid viewfinder. An refinement of the Multi-CAM3500FX coupled with a 150+ AF points live fed viewfinder.
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Erik, it may be just me but: The EM1 focuses super fast, faster than the Sony a7II. The tracking on the EM1 is no where close to my D750 or D3S. If I am shooting a soccer player dribbling the ball down field and he passes off , or gets robbed of the ball, the EM1 doesn't allow me to instantaneously pick up the other player. I have not tried the Sony for Soccer since I have no long lenses but will probably shoot it as a 3rd camera for sidelines and general interest stuff (means the match is boring ;) ) next time I shoot a Match. I am all for seeing the image before, and as, I shoot.
Interesting what you are saying about the Leica VF. Never used a Leica Digital and only tried a Leica for an hour in the early 70's.
I am very much hoping for a Nikon FF mirrorless (or even a DX) but as discussed some time back, depends on what they do about the F mount.
My brain missed the digital SLR in the announcement :( , I just assumed D5=DSLR :) . I'm having fun using the Voigt 75 2.5 with the hollow adapters and the Ais/Ai Nikkors/Novoflex(also hollow ;) ) with the a7II. Just have to plug in the FL for IBIS and note the lens.
Everything happening with imaging is very interesting but I am not in the market for a D5 >:(
Tom
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Of course, the upcoming D5 has been rumored a long time already, even with specs like:
New 20MP FX sensor
New focusing module with larger coverage and 107 or 173 autofocus points (I am getting conflicting reports on that one)
Native high ISO of 102,400
15 fps
Body design similar to the D4s
4K video 60/30fps
Full HD slow motion
Announcement expected in early 2016
Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2015/09/28/updated-list-of-rumored-nikon-d5-specifications.aspx/#ixzz3rrlIbWe2
By making such an essentially empty announcement, I suppose Nikon wishes to prevent some impatient people from getting a FF Canon or
the like before the D5 appears. It could be that the development of the D5 has become slightly delayed. (Just one out of several possible explanations that I can think of.)
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The Nikon announcement reveals "Nikon D5 digital SLR camera", in other words it will not be mirrorless.
Yes, I fear: Because Canon does not innovate, Nikon lets their engineers sleep too.
They designed some great cameras like the D600/610/750 but no robust & fast body for this kind of Supersensor...
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The D5 will be an SLR, but Nikon have patented a DX format mirrorless lens recently, which shows they are actively working in that direction:
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/11/03/nikon-has-a-lens-patent-designed-for-aps-c-mirrorless-camera.aspx (http://nikonrumors.com/2015/11/03/nikon-has-a-lens-patent-designed-for-aps-c-mirrorless-camera.aspx)
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He he, here is a Mirror less FF lens ;D
http://nikonrumors.com/2014/12/16/interesting-nikon-filed-a-patent-for-a-full-frame-mirrorless-lens.aspx/
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First images of the D5 seem to have been leaked
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/12/first-pictures-of-the-nikon-d5-dslr-camera.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/12/first-pictures-of-the-nikon-d5-dslr-camera.aspx/)
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:)
It remains to be known if 20M or 24M...
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With a Sigma lens???
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With a Sigma lens???
Shhhhh.... Sigma secretly bought Nikon.
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Bill. I just wanted to post exactly that.
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Do I spot microphone holes just above the D5 logo?
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Or is everything 'Photoshopped' ;)
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At this stage of the D5 development, creations by massaging existing product shots are far more likely to show than the genuine article itself.
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I think this is an actual photo of a D5. It might however be of a prototype, hence not representing the final product.
What is interesting is the pentaprism house which seems narrower than the current D4S.
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yea, the high res looks too good for a mock up and the "hand model" adds to the impression.
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How many of you are actually looking forward to upgrade to the D5? Personally I am still a happy owner of the original D3... never had a justifiable reason to upgrade.
Said that I am looking forward to see what Nikon will come up with!
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Not interested in the D5 itself perse but I am very curious which new capabilities and improved features it will bring to the Nikon DSLR line up.
Apparently the D5 will have 153 auto focus points with a much larger coverage, if so the D810 and D300s successors will probably also get this new AF module.
The D5 sensor will probably also end up in a Df MKII, even better if it can be combined with the new AF module instead of the consumer version it has now and even beterererer if both will be used in a true D700 successor (eg a compact high ISO race horse) ;D
If the D5 isn't much of an improvement over the D4(s) it will at least drop the prices of the D4 and D4s which might become a more financial interesting option for my "something long" purchase in the near future.
And of course I'm very curious if the D5 will be a big "eat this" statement to the mirrorless uprising.
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I am also interested in the tech developments and not the D5 itself.
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Having shot 7 dance performances lately with the Df, D750 and D4 I can without hesitation say that the D4 (D5) would be my choice the next time. Soooo, if finances permit I might look at getting a big 'un.
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How many of you are actually looking forward to upgrade to the D5? Personally I am still a happy owner of the original D3... never had a justifiable reason to upgrade. Said that I am looking forward to see what Nikon will come up with!
I am happy with the D3 body and the D600 image quality. Both combined with a silent shutter mode (that is really silent) would be perfect.
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Looks like at least 12 fps (CH12).
I also note that there are two "buttons" on each side of the viewfinder's ocular. Is it detachable?
If one of them is used to close off the ocular, what could the other one do?
(there is, in addition, also a dioptre adjustment knob similar to the current D4)
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I like the button placement around the shutter button.
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The D5 (or may be the D5s) is absolutely a possibility I will be considering. The D3s which I am still using frequently, is quite good even today. However, after two generations of improvements an upgrade will certainly be useful. Still I expect to keep my old D3s. Having two such fast FF cameras will be nice. Of course, there will soon be many very good used D4s cameras for sale too - grabbing one of them could be another possibility.
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According to my information. The D5 was supposed to be made available this Dec......which it will not.
Also according to my information, I was advised not to get the D4/D4s and wait for the D5 which is packed with new features.
Is it Evolutionary or Revolutionary.....time will tell.
In the mean time. I originally wanted to ditch the D3s but I am having withdrawal symptoms and I do not need 20/24/36 meg for certain shoots were either the sheer volumes of shots are needed or bracing the weather unfriendly elements.
The D3s will stay, it has too much great memories.....in time, it will join my F1 - F4 - F6
Waiting anxiously for the D5 and ughhh, the D5s.
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Judging from posts at Nikonrumors, the D5 looks like a done deal with sales to start soon. What would interest me more would be a D810 successor. Nice if it got the souped up AF sensor. The near total silence on a D810 successor since the rumor first appeared in October has me wondering...
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I'm interested in the D5... well, it seems I'm alone around here
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Pedro, I assure you you are not the only one!
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I'm interested in the D5... well, it seems I'm alone around here
Don't think so...
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I also note that there are two "buttons" on each side of the viewfinder's ocular. Is it detachable?
If one of them is used to close off the ocular, what could the other one do?
(there is, in addition, also a dioptre adjustment knob similar to the current D4)
These two buttons seems to be to detach the part around the ocular (for the L-angle viewfinder?). In another image posted on NR, I see yet another lever right behind the left button which could be for the eyepiece shutter.
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These two buttons seems to be to detach the part around the ocular (for the L-angle viewfinder?). In another image posted on NR, I see yet another lever right behind the left button which could be for the eyepiece shutter.
I've gawked at those images again and yes, there is a second lever on the left side. I wonder if we will see a detachable thingy where one optional piece could be and EVF for video/LV work. If so...VERY clever.
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While a detachable EVF wouldn't surprise me, and is most likely, a true hybrid E/OVF would be awesome. I would love to have EVF capabilities like peak focusing without giving up my OVF. Being able to switch between the two with the push of a button would be entirely doable but would take some very clever engineering. What would be really nice would be the integration of HUD tech in the OVF. You could have peak focusing, shadow/hi light clip warnings, etc. while still using an EVF. Only thing you would be missing would be a magnifying feature, but with accurate peak focusing I wouldn't care. I'd buy a new body asap for that.
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Do you remember Zigview, a viewfinder attachment using a video camera and an LCD? I would LOL if these levers are for an attachment of this kind. :D
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apparently no more XQD... there goes my investment in cards/readers..both series.. i will probably have to sell them along with the D4s.
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I would love to have EVF capabilities like peak focusing without giving up my OVF. Being able to switch between the two with the push of a button would be entirely doable but would take some very clever engineering.
Fuji did it on a US$1600 body. I think that on a US $7000 body, the engineering staff at Nikon could make something nice.
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I think the problem with hybrid viewfinders is that neither the OVF nor the EVF side is likely to look as bright or contrasty as dedicated viewfinders. Fuji has stated the reason for not bringing out an X-Pro1 update (so far) is because XT-1 users are used to the new EVF which they haven't been able to match in a hybrid viewfinder.
Given Nikon's history with interchangeable viewfinders I think the natural way of making the D5/D6 ... stand out would be by offering interchangeable viewfinders. It would make the camera more general purpose with the video side gaining more flexibility and neither OVF nor EVF quality would be compromised in any way, apart from slight increase in size due to the mechanical interface. What's more it would make it possible to offer more HP or less HP versions.
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A snap-in EVF would be very good. A snap-in right angle [optical]finder would be welcome also.
I never use my right angle finder because attaching it is a nightmare of unscrewing, screwing in, and small parts to hold and lose.
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Later pics show it's really just the eyepiece and bezel that come off.
I'm wondering it it might support the mounting of something like a Hoodman Loupe for video use.
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I agree, that's most likely just a slide on interface, no contacts or anything to suggest other.
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I cannot see other options for this solution than an pure optical add-on (like a 90° ocular).
Still think it's a shame that no EVF option is presented...Nikon could have pulled it off if they wanted.
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The speculation about a detachable VF sounds interesting.
The trouble is, on these "leaked images" at least, the moulding around the prism looks quite continuous, with no obvious edges.....
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Nikon-D5-DSLR-camera-leak-550x492.jpg)
and
(http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Nikon-D5-camera-leaked-5-550x254.jpg)
As Bjorn says, maybe we shouldn't speculate too much - It will be here when it's actually finished, then the real-world tests can begin.
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It's quite clear...
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Accordimg to my dealer this is like Canon's 1D series. Meeeh...
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Yes it looks just like 1D III
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Would an EVF even be useful for this type of camera? As a camera built for speed I would guess any lag from an EVF could be a problem - for action you need to see things instantly. Also an EVF would also drain battery power much faster - although these cameras have big batteries so it would last a lot longer than most other mirrorless cameras.
EVF for the D810 or other high-res camera makes more sense where absolute precision in focusing is required.
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Would an EVF even be useful for this type of camera? As a camera built for speed I would guess any lag from an EVF could be a problem - for action you need to see things instantly. Also an EVF would also drain battery power much faster - although these cameras have big batteries so it would last a lot longer than most other mirrorless cameras.
EVF for the D810 or other high-res camera makes more sense where absolute precision in focusing is required.
I agree. Also, a responsive live view requires very high refresh rate which affects the image quality in terms of dynamic range and noise. The live view of even the current models of Nikon is notoriously slow, but this should not be because of the inferior technology but because of the lower refresh rate for the still image quality.
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D810 is made compact and economical - with interchangeable viewfinders it would not be compact nor economical (especially if the EVF is really cutting edge, which could cost many thousands just for the viewfinder). If it has a fixed EVF then it would upset those who want OVF (certainly myself). A D5 doesn't aim to be inexpensive nor compact, so interchangeable viewfinders would have been conceivable (looks like only the eyepiece area is removable, I don't know why they would do that) and they could make a high res variant of the body ("D5X") based on the same chassis and using the same viewfinders. The viewfinder options could separate it sufficiently from the D810 so that it would sell in acceptable numbers. There could be numerous options for the viewfinder.
For video purposes which I assume to be common application for a D5, an EVF would be useful and it could give the camera an edge to compete with Canon's Cinema EOS products.
Personally I don't want an EVF for still photography and I don't do much video, but I would like everyone to be offered something. And there have certainly been requests for Nikon to make an FX/DX camera with EVF. If it is an accessory, only those who need it would have to pay for it.
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I think that a version of the D810 with an EVF, in addition to the existing one, would make the most sense. It should be priced like a Sony A7R or Sony A7R II. Such a camera would have kept me in the Nikon camp. (I've now moved to Sony.)
Canon has video bodies with EOS mount that are designed and built specifically for video, that's why I call them video bodies rather than camera bodies. There is also one that looks more like a DSLR but is for video. Canon has also made cine versions of several of their lenses. I suppose the would be a market for "Cine-Nikkor 14-24mm T2.9". And what about a "Cine-Nikkor 58mm T/1.5". Nikon certainly has the lenses that would attract interest for Cine and video use. I assume you all recognise the AF-S 14-24/2.8 and AF-S 58/1.4 lightly disguised. :)
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Cine lenses need not only geard forcus and aperture rings but also the attachment compatibility in front of the lens. The 14-24 would lose its wideangle advantage to accomodate the standard.
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Cine lenses need not only geard forcus and aperture rings but also the attachment compatibility in front of the lens. The 14-24 would lose its wideangle advantage to accomodate the standard.
It's been done*:
http://www.abelcine.com/store/Focus-Optics-Ruby-14-24mm-T2.8-Zoom/ (http://www.abelcine.com/store/Focus-Optics-Ruby-14-24mm-T2.8-Zoom/)
*Although, for 8-perf(24x36), some small drama with filter and attachment size occurs.
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Would an EVF even be useful for this type of camera? As a camera built for speed I would guess any lag from an EVF could be a problem - for action you need to see things instantly. Also an EVF would also drain battery power much faster - although these cameras have big batteries so it would last a lot longer than most other mirrorless cameras.
EVF for the D810 or other high-res camera makes more sense where absolute precision in focusing is required.
It's not just added focus precision that an EVF could add. It's also the ability to accurately focus...or autofocus... in very dim light. Such a capability, available without resorting to the sometimes awkward, slow to operate, and low resolution rear LCD display, would make the D5 more versatile.
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Ha! That's amazing! Thanks for the link, Keith.
It is surprising that the lens keeps the speed even in the T-stop indication. The coverage of 35mm "full" frame (VistaVision) may refer to Super35 size and not FX, I guess.
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VistaVision, AKA '8-perf', AKA "fullframe" is very close to our familiar 24x36 still frame. The film ran sideways through the camera.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistaVision (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistaVision)
The famous Hitchcock movies "Vertigo" and "North By Northwest" were shot in VistaVision. VV was also used for all the miniatures and optical effects work for the original 1977 "Star Wars"
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Hmmm... the diagonal length of VV is about 26mm. I wonder if the re-housed (and with the added front filter thread) 14-24 causes vignatting, especially a the wider end.
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Hmmm... the diagonal length of VV is about 26mm. I wonder if the re-housed (and with the added front filter thread) 14-24 causes vignatting, especially a the wider end.
They made a special filter ring with cut outs to avoid vignetting, in addition to a standard (in the cine world) 102mm fliter ring. You install the one needed for the task at hand.
That lens is special!
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An optical viewfinder with an optional EVF attachment would be very interesting - especially if paired with the right software. We all know there are certain subjects and conditions where EVF does not work - and the OVF would be fine. But there are also capabilities of an EVF - such as increased accuracy with contrast detect AF, the ability to zoom and focus or check focus, the ability to see other information. Think about products like CamRanger - essentially using a smartphone or tablet as a viewfinder and control. Or the ability to apply creative effects - like picture controls but expanded - in real time to stills and video. And of course, for video an EVF would be a nice benefit. Nikon has already delivered an EVF as an accessory item, so it would not be at all surprising to see it paired with a DSLR.
If you are using an EVF anyway, the mirror is already up and does not need to move. Why not deliver a high frame rate - such as the 30fps or even 60fps bursts of the Nikon 1 system. The D5 will have a large enough buffer to handle 30fps at reduced size - 6mp or so. A 2 second burst at 30fps would be pretty remarkable for sports or wildlife.
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I want a D3Xs. Simple as that. Current tech in one of the best bodies Nikon ever brought to market.
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picked this one up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnEsBK8YIe4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnEsBK8YIe4)
and some virtual rumours on a D850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjjIvxYJ77A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjjIvxYJ77A)
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The increased performance of CDAF in mirrorless cameras vs. live view CDAF in DSLRs is due to lenses having stepper motors and being purpose made to perform well with CDAF, not due to the EVF which is just a display.
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Interesting that despite many people complaining about the lack of dual rear buttons (dedicated AF and AF/L AE/L) on the lower-range bodies, they have decided to have only a dedicated AF button on the D5. And that the metering mode button has become an ISO button.
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Interesting that despite many people complaining about the lack of dual rear buttons (dedicated AF and AF/L AE/L) on the lower-range bodies, they have decided to have only a dedicated AF button on the D5. And that the metering mode button has become an ISO button.
I cannot see how two thumb buttons could be useful since it's next to impossible to press both at the same time (if you want AF-ON and AE-L functions simultaneously), so configuring e.g. AF-ON on the thumb side and AE-L for the FUNC button would seem to be a more functional programming. AF-L and AF-ON buttons are inverse functions of each other and so I can't see how an AF-ON user would need AF-L (since you can achieve the same by simply lifting the finger off AF-ON). Likewise someone who activates AF using the shutter button may need AF-L to lock continuous focusing (AF-C) but then does not need AF-ON since it's a redundant function if the shutter button activates AF. So for me one thumb button has always been fine and is in fact the optimal configuration. The other button just wastes space on the body for me and I never use it.
However, some people don't like the one thumb button configuration because that one button may be placed too close to the ocular. However, I would think if that is the case, they'd primarily complain about the button position instead of the number of distinct buttons.
The fact that D4s and D4 don't have two buttons suggests that Nikon doesn't understand why two buttons would be needed, either.
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For me, this is not a problem either, as I use back-button focus and never lock exposure, rather either going manual or using compensation.
But here is a contrary view in post #119 of this thread: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,127.105.html
I have seen a few others as well.
The removal of the metering mode button concerns me more, although it is very unlikely I will ever be able to afford a D5 anyway.
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picked this one up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnEsBK8YIe4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnEsBK8YIe4)
and some virtual rumours on a D850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjjIvxYJ77A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjjIvxYJ77A)
Interesting that the "D5" shown does not have the latches on the eyepiece that the earlier claimed "D5" had.
As for the "D850" video, I leave you with this sample of not-believable copy writing:
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I cannot see how two thumb buttons could be useful since it's next to impossible to press both at the same time (if you want AF-ON and AE-L functions simultaneously), so configuring e.g. AF-ON on the thumb side and AE-L for the FUNC button would seem to be a more functional programming. AF-L and AF-ON buttons are inverse functions of each other and so I can't see how an AF-ON user would need AF-L (since you can achieve the same by simply lifting the finger off AF-ON). Likewise someone who activates AF using the shutter button may need AF-L to lock continuous focusing (AF-C) but then does not need AF-ON since it's a redundant function if the shutter button activates AF. So for me one thumb button has always been fine and is in fact the optimal configuration. The other button just wastes space on the body for me and I never use it.
However, some people don't like the one thumb button configuration because that one button may be placed too close to the ocular. However, I would think if that is the case, they'd primarily complain about the button position instead of the number of distinct buttons.
The fact that D4s and D4 don't have two buttons suggests that Nikon doesn't understand why two buttons would be needed, either.
Well I have used the AF-L button on the D300/700/800 series for a different function (don't need and use AF-L) that is to handle switching between the nine options of Data for non-CPU lenses. The D4S lacking a second button caused me change the whole approach (as I want to have the same proedures on all Cameras if possible.)
BUT: Great advantage of having one button: one cannot accidentially get the wrong button while having camera on the eye - this occurred to me when fast action was ongoing and I was using AF-ON function
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I cannot see how two thumb buttons could be useful since it's next to impossible to press both at the same time (if you want AF-ON and AE-L functions simultaneously), so configuring e.g. AF-ON on the thumb side and AE-L for the FUNC button would seem to be a more functional programming.
AE-L stays locked once the button is released so there is no need to press both AE-L and AF-ON at the same time. I use both buttons fairly regularly when the focus point and the prominent exposure point are in different areas of the viewfinder, AE-L to lock spot meter exposure then AF-ON to focus, seems reasonable to me. Am I missing something?
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I think it is really stupid that WIFI is still external on the D5 as can be clearly seen in the D5 video.
For the D850 (Backlit Sony Sensor from the A7R2?) an In Body Image Stabilisation would be more than useful, even on a tripod in some situations like traffic going by on a near street, esp street cars from a tram...
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"I think it is really stupid that WIFI is still external on the D5 as can be clearly seen in the D5 video."
On the contrary. Having this feature as an add-on makes the camera less power-hungry for the many of us not wanting or needing a Wi-Fi connection.
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"I think it is really stupid that WIFI is still external on the D5 as can be clearly seen in the D5 video." On the contrary. Having this feature as an add-on makes the camera less power-hungry for the many of us not wanting or needing a Wi-Fi connection.
On/off switch will do. Same as it is with smartphones.
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Ok if you use AE-L as a toggle, this is a possibility. I generally avoid toggles as invariably I will forget to release the lock. But I can see that having FV lock or AE-L toggle in a button of its own is a sensible way to use additional buttons. How many buttons there are depends on how large the body is and how clean the designers wanted the interface.
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One of the important aspects of the higher- or highest-end Nikon is a strong electro-magnetic shielding. Integrating WiFi and GPS is contradictory to that.
Nikon is the official camera for the Japan self-defence force, and the camera is required to function properly even in the Aegis ships.
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I think it is really stupid that WIFI is still external on the D5 as can be clearly seen in the D5 video.
Well, on a D5 body I would expect focus on maximum body stability.
A WiFi antenna in the body would lead to compromises there.
So in my eyes, this is the only body, where I think it should not be integrated.
cheers
afx
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I don't think that WiFi, BT or GPS/Glonass would negatively impact the stability of a D5 camera body. Material science has progressed to far for that to be true anymore. The so-called monocoque bodies like the D5500, use a carbon fibre reinforced material, which is very strong.
I think Akira's argument about suitability in environments where radio interference is much more relevant. (I assume that an Aegis ship has some very sensitive equipment that could give interference problems.) The problem with some of the WT units have been their lack of ergonomical integration with the camera body. If Nikon can improve on that, I think everyone could be happy.
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I do not recommend to integrate the Antenna, a passive piece, into the Body. The Antenna would be OK for me
as a screw in part. I hate to have a plastix extension box on the side of a sturdy body plus I hate to pay several
hunderes of Euros extra for the part featuring electronics for mere cents and an Antenna. I see this as a very
customer unfriendly solution. Protesting this I use cable solutions for the functions I need.
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WIFI is an annoyance but not a game killer for me.
I am really unhappy that my D3 is useless in silent environments.
Silent operation is a necessity. Not a stupid implementation adding 0.5 seconds lag to portraits as in the D600 please.
A fast and really well damped C/low mode with instantaneous action.
Frank
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I suspect that one of the major reason for Nikon flagship models to be used by NASA or ISS is this resistance to the electro-magnetic interference.
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Ok if you use AE-L as a toggle, this is a possibility. I generally avoid toggles as invariably I will forget to release the lock.
AE-L can be set to release the lock after the picture is taken :)
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Message redacted without prejudice.
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This is a bad form of communication. Do make your post(s) readable, please.
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"Ok if you use AE-L as a toggle, this is a possibility. I generally avoid toggles as invariably I will forget to release the lock. "
AE-L can be set to release the lock after the picture is taken :)
I have so far configured my recently purchased D7100 with function button as AE-lock in toggle mode. It is however not possible to make it release after an exposure and I would not want that, as I see one of the important uses for it is quick sequences with the same exposure for panoramas. It remains to be seen if I will lock it or leave it locked by accident...
At the stage when I got my 5100 the position of the AF-On (AE lock button) was a deciding factor over the D7000. However on D7100 it is placed slightly more to the right than on the D7000 (although not as perfect as the 5100), and I am already in love with the raised button that allows "easy" focusing with thick mittens on. Finding the shutter release is actually more difficult... (A DF with a soft release, as I used on my F2 would likely be much better in that respect.) The need to move the AE lock to the function button makes on short that button for other uses though. I wish the bracketing button had been programmable. OK back to the D5 which seems to come with plenty of function buttons...
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I have so far configured my recently purchased D7100 with function button as AE-lock in toggle mode. It is however not possible to make it release after an exposure and I would not want that, as I see one of the important uses for it is quick sequences with the same exposure for panoramas. It remains to be seen if I will lock it or leave it locked by accident...
Hmm, the menus of the D700/D800 have custom settings: controls: Assign AE-L/AF-L and options include AE-L (reset on release) and AE-L (hold), as well as several other options for the button.
In matrix metering on the D800 when a single focus point is placed on an extreme shadow or highlight within a scene it weighs extremely heavy on the overall exposure, to much so in my opinion, typically I'll use the AE-L to circumvent that type of exposure scenario or other high contrast scenes. Your use of locking it for panoramas sounds like to good approach as well.
Yes... back to the D5...
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Two type of D5 (XQD-Type) and D5 (CF-Type)
Newly developed 20.82 million pixel CMOS sensor
EXPEED 5 Image processor. 4K videos correspondence
153 AF points. 99-point cross sensor. F8 corresponding 15 points
Continuous shooting (continuous shooting up to 200 frames in 14bit lossless compression RAW) 12 frames / sec in the AF / AE tracking
Continuous shooting speed at the time of the mirror up to 14 frames / sec (AE / AF fixed)
Regular sensitivity highest ISO 102400. Extended sensitivity is highest in Hi5 ISO 3280000
3.2-inch 2.36 million dot LCD monitor. Touch panel
Card slot D5 (XQD-Type) is double XQD. D5 (CF-Type) Double CF
Shutter speed 30 seconds to 1/8000 sec
Finder field of view 100% (FX). Magnification 0.72 times
SuperSpeed USB (USB3.0 Micro-B terminal)
Battery EN-EL18a
The weight is the battery and the media included, D5 (XQD-Type) is 1405g. D5 (CF-Type) is 1415g
March 2016
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Hm. Have to remember to bring a CF card with me to the Nikon dinner tonight then :D
(just to be on the safe side ...)
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Hm. Have to remember to bring a CF card with me to the Nikon dinner tonight then :D
(just to be on the safe side ...)
I read on the digicame site that two models (XQD and CF) are likely to be offered.
You ought to check the viewfinder ocular thing if you have the chance...why is it designed like it is?
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I'll do that of course. Bringing the old venerable Noct-Nikkor to the event. It really sorts any finder issues.
With Nikon there is always an underlying reason for a design choice although many times this is not evident at first.
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An additional thought: if there is to be any sense of providing those astronomical ISO settings, the camera really has to shine in the finder department (this includes LiveView performance too). Otherwise the super-ISO capacity is pretty meaningless if you cannot see what you shoot, or the lenses respond in AF.
Could there be a 'night vision' attachment in the works - that'll explain the strange construction of the finder ocular ??
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Can you please test any "silent" mode.
I felt on the D3s the "silent" mode was halfways silent, but not on the D4.
I did use the D3 in musical events and I got almost lynched by the public
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We cannot have NG Supporters lynched of course -- will keep your point in mind.
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An additional thought: if there is to be any sense of providing those astronomical ISO settings, the camera really has to shine in the finder department (this includes LiveView performance too). Otherwise the super-ISO capacity is pretty meaningless if you cannot see what you shoot, or the lenses respond in AF.
Could there be a 'night vision' attachment in the works - that'll explain the strange construction of the finder ocular ??
Indeed, the higher than thinkable ISO is as natural as snow in Sahara if one cannot see :D
Maybe the camera will have night vision goggles as an optional accessory.
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To illustrate, I never managed to expose at higher than ISO 51200 in daylight photography. That translates into f/64 at 1/8000 sec so not many lenses will allow this unless you put ND filters on them !!.
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For sake of argument let us assume the hefty rumours are true and the D5 can manage the equivalent of 3,276,800 (Hi-5 setting). Then we face the same definition issue seen earlier in computer industry regarding counting bytes. A numbering scheme using powers of 2 has cross-overs with a 10-based system, but the difference gets proportionally bigger as the actual numbers grow.
So, how should we count? Mebi (Mi, powers of 2) ISO or Mega (M, powers of 10) ISO?
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What about 3.768K ISO ?
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Actually, reckoning by powers of 2 is more in line with other measures applied in photography. Just think of f-numbers, exposure time, and ISO relationships.
Thus I would seriously consider 3 Mi ISO instead of 3.277 K.
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Okay, didn't realize that ;)
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Too little coffee imbibed obviously,
100 Ki ISO == 102 400 ISO
200 Ki ISO == 204 800 ISO
400 Ki ISO == 409 600 ISO
800 Ki ISO == 819 200 ISO
1600 Ki ISO = 1 638 400 ISO
3200 Ki ISO == 3 276 800 ISO
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OK I'm dashing off now for the Nikon event downtown. At a very posh restaurant no less.
This could be an interesting evening.
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The old DIN scale of the past wasn't such a bad idea after all; DIN 66 for the rumoured hi-5 Setting is so much easier to remember 8)
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good food
Good talk
Interesting feedbacks
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I hope, for the sake of all the photographers who may want (or have to) use this camera, that the "touch screen" will have an easily accessible defeat switch.
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I hope, for the sake of all the photographers who may want (or have to) use this camera, that the "touch screen" will have an easily accessible defeat switch.
I'm with Keith. My Olympus E-M5 Mk II has the touchscreen. The function is fine but is all-too easily to touch accidentally. I've turned it off since the day one (in the menu). I want it to set to the "playback-only" mode which is not offered in my camera.
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The D5 specs mentioned earlier seem to be real:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2370616853/nikon-fills-in-the-blanks-on-professional-grade-d5-dslr?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=related-news&utm_medium=image&ref=related-news (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2370616853/nikon-fills-in-the-blanks-on-professional-grade-d5-dslr?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=related-news&utm_medium=image&ref=related-news)
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...well, I wanted to post about the D500 which obviosly has it's own thread already. Too slow. Can't delete the post though.
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The new AF system and ISO capabilities sound interesting on paper. Looking forward to see some reviews in near future (preferably from reviewers who are not on Nikon's payroll of course).
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Official announcement:
http://www.nikon.com/news/2016/0106_dslr_01.htm (http://www.nikon.com/news/2016/0106_dslr_01.htm)
Outperform, Outdo, Outlast: The D5 raises the bar for FX performance
The most powerful digital SLR flagship in the Nikon line-up leads the pack with unmatched speed and precision
TOKYO - Nikon Corporation today announces the new D5, a FX-format flagship digital SLR camera that challenges photographers to outperform their highest standards, and set new benchmarks for speed, accuracy and image quality. Expanding the possibilities of image capture for professional photographers, the new D5 places the needs of the professional at the centre of innovation with features that enable smooth and reliable responsiveness to a wide variety of scenes and subjects.
From the refined acquisition of subjects in motion, to 4K video in UHD, the D5 creates opportunities for dauntless photographers working in demanding shooting environments to push their gear to new limits. With a next generation AF system the intelligent and versatile tracking of moving subjects enables the richness and realism of every split-second moment to be captured. The D5 boasts a wide range of ISO sensitivity up to 102400, expandable to Hi 5 (ISO 3280000 equivalent) — the most expanded sensitivity range in Nikon history — for astronomical twilight with minimum illumination, capturing details and colors beyond the limits of the human eye.
"The Nikon D5 is not just about technical excellence, but the marriage of elegant technologies. Speed and refined image quality have never converged so extensively, making it truly the camera that the industry has been waiting for," said Tadashi Nakayama, Corporate Vice President, Sector Manager of Marketing Sector, Imaging Business Unit. "The D5 represents what we are trying to do for the entire digital SLR category: Bringing technologies together to meet and anticipate the demands of professional photographers, empowering them to push the boundaries of their craft," he continues.
Outperform, Outdo, Outlast: The Pinnacle of Digital SLR Engineering for Professionals
The D5 enables the precise capture of subjects under the most demanding conditions with a new-generation 153-point AF system and a stable viewfinder image that makes tracking moving subjects easy, even during high-speed continuous shooting at approximately 12 fps*1, making the camera ideal for photojournalists capturing heart-racing sporting action and majestic animal migrations. Image quality is further enhanced by the pairing of the new Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor and the brand new EXPEED 5 image-processing engine, for the most vibrant, true-to-life colors and sumptuous details. Together with the highest standard ISO sensitivity in Nikon history, up to102400, photographers are liberated from the challenges of shooting in low-light environments whether covering evening events or shooting indoors. In another first for the FX-format range, the D5 takes movie-making to new cinematic heights with the ability to shoot in 4K UHD 2160/30p format, in-line with the increasing appetite from professionals for the production of high quality video content.
Convenient Connectivity, Simplified Workflows
In addition, new and improved features and functions, such as a high-resolution touch screen LCD monitor, faster wired networks (via built-in Ethernet connector) and wireless networks*2, and double memory card slots*3 that use the same type of media, to simplify and speed up the professional photographer's workflow, while placing the D5 in the center of the connected ecosystem for visual communication.
Designed for the Field and the Studio
The camera's Advanced Scene Recognition System, which has adopted a new 180k-pixel RGB sensor, contributes to greater AF, AE, and AWB performance. This, along with a design that consumes less power and adoption of a highly precise and durable shutter, ensures durability, and gives photographers greater control over their gear as well as image quality. The D5 also completely integrates into any professional photographer's comprehensive ecosystem of Nikon accessories. Compatibility with the new Nikon Creative Lighting System functions, radio-controlled Advanced Wireless Lighting (AWL) and unified flash control, all work to ensure the production of superlative image quality and a seamless studio workflow*4
*1Possible in Continuous high speed (CH) release mode with shutter speeds of 1/250 s or faster
*2When used with WT-6/A/B/C Wireless Transmitter (available separately)
*3The camera is available in two versions, one that uses two XQD cards and one that uses two CompactFlash cards
*4When used with Speedlight SB-5000 (available separately)
Primary features
Next-generation Intelligent AF System
The entire AF system has been completely re-vamped with adoption of the Multi-CAM 20K autofocus sensor module. This sensor module offers 153 focus points (99 of which are cross-type sensors) for broad and dense coverage of the entire image area. The center focus point has a detection range beginning at an incredible -4 EV, and detection with other focus points begins at -3 EV*, enabling autofocusing even under extremely dim lighting, and with subjects exhibiting very low contrast. In addition, equipping the camera with a dedicated AF engine capable of high-speed calculation and collaboration with the 180K-pixel RGB sensor have ensured that extremely reliable AF performance is demonstrated with a variety of scenes.
*At ISO 100, 20 °C/68 °F
High-speed continuous shooting at approx. 12 fps with swift subject tracking
The D5 is capable of high-speed continuous shooting at approximately 12 fps*1 (w/ AF and AE tracking) in all image quality modes and at all ISO sensitivity settings. What's more, adoption of a new mirror drive mechanism achieves a more stable viewfinder image that makes continuous tracking of rapidly moving subjects easy, even with high-speed continuous shooting. Further, up to 200*2 12-bit lossless compressed RAW images can be captured with a single burst of continuous shooting.
*1Possible in Continuous high speed (CH) release mode with shutter speeds of 1/250 s or faster
*2When Lexar Professional 2933x XQD 2.0 memory cards are used
Exceptional ISO sensitivity
Collaboration between the new Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor and the new EXPEED 5 image-processing engine, both developed by Nikon, have enabled the highest standard ISO sensitivity in Nikon history, that of ISO 102400. High-sensitivity image quality at these never-before-seen levels achieves superior imaging quality, even within the high ISO 3200 to 12800 range often used with sports photography and the like. In addition, the image sensor's broad dynamic range enables rich and natural expression of tones for accurate reproduction of the finest details, even with extremely vivid subjects with which the expression of textures is especially difficult.
Cinematic brilliance with 4K UHD (30p) movie capability
The D5 supports movie creation in 4K, which offers a resolution higher than HD or full-HD movies, an indispensable feature for professionals involved in film-making and video content creation. High-resolution 4K UHD (3840 x 2160)/30p, 25p, 24p movies can be recorded to a memory card inserted in the camera, or, with simultaneous HDMI output, they can be displayed on an external monitor or recorded as uncompressed video to an external recorder. With support for the maximum standard sensitivity of ISO 102400, as well as even higher sensitivity settings up to Hi 5 (equivalent to ISO 3280000), even movies recorded at these high sensitivities will exhibit superior picture quality. 4K UHD time-lapse movies can also be generated in-camera.
Improved functionality and streamlined workflows
A high-resolution 3.2-in., approx. 2,359k-dot touch screen LCD monitor
Adoption of a touch screen for the display monitor enables nimble confirmation and high-speed navigation of a large number of images using a frame advance bar, and supports an efficient workflow with text input and the like. The large 3.2-inch, approximately 2,359k-dot high-resolution monitor enables extremely clear display with live view photography, even when the display is enlarged, for fast focus confirmation.
Connect through wired and wireless networks
The communications system has been significantly improved to support communications twice as fast as with the D4S, with both wired networks using the Ethernet connector built into the D5, and wireless networks when the new Wireless Transmitter WT-6/A/B/C (available separately) is used with the D5.
Versatile image storage options
Two versions of the D5 are available. Both are equipped with double memory card slots supporting a single media type; one XQD cards and one CompactFlash cards.
Accessories for high-speed connected convenience: WT-6/A/B/C Wireless Transmitter(available separately)
When connected to the D5, the high-speed transfer of image data to a computer*1 or an FTP server over a wireless network is possible. The maximum range is approximately 200 m*2. Communications are significantly faster with support for the new IEEE 802.11ac (2x2 VHT80) standard. Wireless control over the camera from a computer is also possible using Camera Control Pro 2 (available separately). A D5 to which a WT-6/A/B/C is connected may be used as a wireless LAN access point, and a direct connection to a computer or smartphone is also achievable.
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It has already been on Nikon's Japanese website just like other products:
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/slr/lineup/d5/
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D5 will be offered in two different versions according to the type of the memory card slots: 2x CF or 2X XQD. The double card slot unit can be replaced at Nikon service.
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It's also up on the global site: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d5/ (http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d5/)
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Too little coffee imbibed obviously,
100 Ki ISO == 102 400 ISO
200 Ki ISO == 204 800 ISO
400 Ki ISO == 409 600 ISO
800 Ki ISO == 819 200 ISO
1600 Ki ISO = 1 638 400 ISO
3200 Ki ISO == 3 276 800 ISO
if we take ISO 100 as the baseline we could have something like this:
50 = -1
100 = 0
200 = 1
400 = 2
800 = 3
1600 = 4
3200 = 5
6400 = 6
12800 = 7
25600 = 8
51200 = 9
102400 = 10
...
I think this would be much more manageable.
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if we take ISO 100 as the baseline we could have something like this:
50 = -1
100 = 0
200 = 1
400 = 2
800 = 3
1600 = 4
3200 = 5
6400 = 6
12800 = 7
25600 = 8
51200 = 9
102400 = 10
...
I think this would be much more manageable.
No need for inventions here, the old DIN system was adequate enough, logarithmic and with a third stop resolution:
50ISO = 18DIN
64ISO = 19DIN
100ISO = 21DIN
200ISO = 24DIN
400ISO = 27DIN etc
The D5 Hi-5 3M ISO is then just 66DIN.
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Well, if my comparison isn't totally wrong the new AF array is wider but not taller. The D800 in blue and the black/red is the D5.
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D5 will be offered in two different versions according to the type of the memory card slots: 2x CF or 2X XQD. The double card slot unit can be replaced at Nikon service.
Actually there is just one model, D5 with XQD slots. However, you can have the XQD slots replaced by CF. Nikon offers this as a user "degradation" option to be retrofitted at a qualified Nikon repair facility so is not something they actively will push, not at least in my part of the world. The national Nikon CEO was crystal clear on that question.
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Did you get to finger the new models?
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The D5, a lot. D500 as soon as it arrives on these latitudes.
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According to the website of Nikon Japan, D5 is offerd with either card slot. They are called XQD-Type and CF-Type (you see the side-by-side image of the two models in the middle of the webpage below):
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/slr/lineup/d5/features05.html
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Did the fingers like what they felt?
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According to the website of Nikon Japan, D5 is offerd with either card slot. They are called XQD-Type and CF-Type (you see the side-by-side image of the two models in the middle of the webpage below):
http://www.nikon-image.com/products/slr/lineup/d5/features05.html
Modular memory sections..?
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Nikon Nordic will sell the XQD and this is the basic camera version shipped by Nikon. A "user degradation" (Nikon's words) to CF is possible as a retrofitted replacement. However, the Nikon reps strongly recommended you should use XQD to gain the full potential of the camera. For example, buffer capacity is at least 4 times bigger than CF, write speed much faster, and read-out of the cards many times faster as well.
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Did the fingers like what they felt?
A D4S on steroids and much more silent as well. Excellent view finder. More logical control layout too.
I couldn't expose my Noct-Nikkor at f/1.2 because the room, even after turning lights off was too bright at 3200 Mi ISO so a faster speed than 1/8000 sec would be required. Had to stop down to f/5.6.
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No additional info on the clip-on ocular?
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Yes to some extent. It is claimed to function so you can put a rain cover over the camera, then clip on the ocular to seal it off from the weather elements. Obviously an easily expandable solution for clip-on finders (right angle and what have you).
The slide-off functionality was less easy than I had expected because there are locks on either side that both need to be pressed in before you push the ocular home (or remove it).
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I signed up for a review sample at Nikon Nordic's earliest convenience. The camera was an impressive machine even without paying attention to the cutting-edge specifications. With them in mind, it is spectacular. However, I have a feeling that for me personally the D500 will be easier to accommodate in my work flow. Thus I'll test both models thoroughly in due time.
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I hope, for the sake of all the photographers who may want (or have to) use this camera, that the "touch screen" will have an easily accessible defeat switch.
It has indeed.
I wasn't the only person asking that question ...
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"..A D4S on steroids and much more silent as well..."
Any chance you could characterize the extent of 'much more silent'? Very interested in this improvement.
Thanks
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I don't think the sound will disturb an audience. The shutter is only cocked when you let go of the shutter button.
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Modular memory sections..?
Yes, according to the news on Impress-Watch, the memory section can be replaced at Nikon Service for 40,000 JPY plus VAT.
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I am also interested in the tech developments and not the D5 itself.
Ditto!
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"I think it is really stupid that WIFI is still external on the D5 as can be clearly seen in the D5 video."
On the contrary. Having this feature as an add-on makes the camera less power-hungry for the many of us not wanting or needing a Wi-Fi connection.
I concur!
That, and the legacy of the erstwhile "pro" cameras of yore, has inculcated a generation, or two, of original adopters with a deep appreciation for any semblance of, at least, a semi-modular design strategy. I still get giddy when I can utilize an accessory originally designed for an F or F2 on a more contemporary platform, something increasingly difficult to do these days.
Now, I had composed a well thought, concise yet informative, thesis to defend my philosophy. However having just proofread it, and discovering that at best it was lacking in levity and at worse condescending and boorishly ill-informed, I hit myself over the head with my keyboard, effectively deleting what would have resulted in years of lingering shame. :o Cheers!
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I understand that WiFi can drain the batteries.
However, I believe that it should have been integrated in the D5.
One can always switch it off if not needed, right?
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I understand that WiFi can drain the batteries.
However, I believe that it should have been integrated in the D5.
One can always switch it off if not needed, right?
Indeed. We have these things called smartphones and they include such features :)
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Whats the point of WiFi if you have an always on Bluetooth connection?
My Sony a7S has WiFi and I have to setup a WiFi connection every time I want to sync images or use it as a remote, with the new connect feature that's no longer needed.
I do download apps over WiFi however like I do with the iPhone but I don't think the latest Nikon cameras have apps to download.
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The Nikon guys were talking a lot of "apps" yesterday but I wasn't really listen much. Not my cup of tea. However, it was evident they talked about "apps" to come from Nikon. Or might even be existing.
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In that case it would be interesting to know if the bluetooth connection can be used to connect to the Internet via the mobile or laptop. But knowing Nikon firmware updates and apps can be installed on the memory card and uploaded into the camera that way, unlike the Sony which needs to connect to the laptop for firmware updates and wifi for the apps.
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What I am wondering - since I'll stay at D4s until D5s comes in 2018 - will the D5s have ISO 6,4 million? ;D :P
Sorry, couldn't resist. But in all honesty, the lack of 4K/60fps seems like an odd omission and one that will definitely be addressed in D5s.
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I think we just have to wait before that sensor will be available in the Df2 ;)
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Personally i have serious doubts on a Df2, but who knows, no-one expected a professional DX to emerge.
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Rumors speculate that Nikon will come with a special 100 year edition of the Df in 2017, might be the new Df or a limited special edition of the current or new Df.
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/23/new-df-like-camera-rumored-for-nikons-100th-anniversary-in-2017.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/23/new-df-like-camera-rumored-for-nikons-100th-anniversary-in-2017.aspx/)
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Whats the point of WiFi if you have an always on Bluetooth connection?
My Sony a7S has WiFi and I have to setup a WiFi connection every time I want to sync images or use it as a remote, with the new connect feature that's no longer needed.
I do download apps over WiFi however like I do with the iPhone but I don't think the latest Nikon cameras have apps to download.
I think WiFi has much greater capacity than Bluetooth.
One problem with camera apps is, if there is Sony-OS, Nikon-OS, Canon-OS etc., in other words fragmentation, then no-one will write apps for the cameras. An open-source common standard OS is needed, but I suppose we'll never see that.
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Rumors speculate that Nikon will come with a special 100 year edition of the Df in 2017, might be the new Df or a limited special edition of the current or new Df.
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/23/new-df-like-camera-rumored-for-nikons-100th-anniversary-in-2017.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/23/new-df-like-camera-rumored-for-nikons-100th-anniversary-in-2017.aspx/)
Could be a Gold version. Nikon has done that several times before in connection with anniversaries.
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They've already done the Gold version ;) If they do come out with a Df2 I'd rather it be Platinum , not as tacky as the Gold . Sort of a Panda with expensive tastes ;D .
Cheers,
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Bjørn: You insinuated in one post that the handholding ergonomics of the D5 is another degression starting from the very good ergonomics of the D3 down to the D4? Can you elaborate on the ergonomics, esp. the grip? Thank you.
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Handling is pretty much like any of the larger DSLRs we've seen from Nikon. This is a rugged, robust picture machine and feels like that.
I actively disliked the "melted down" finder outline of the D4 and in fact, that was the main reason I never warmed to the camera and purchased it for own use. I find the shape of the D3/s/x much better for portrait mode shooting with a hand-held camera. Thus finding the same contour on the D5 was not to my taste.
For landscape orientation, they basically are similar and one might argue the changed layout of buttons on the D5 makes it operate smoother. Not used the D5 sufficiently to decide my perception of this change, though. Do note the layout of the D500 shares a lot of the control positions from the D5. Thus using D5/D500 in combination should be a breeze (in principle).
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One of the things I value most about the D810 is the ISO 64. I see the D5 has an ISO LO 50, whatever that is. Just what is it and is it comparable to an actual ISO that low?
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The digital cameras allow an extension of their native ISO range either by giving opportunity to increase amplification of the signal (commonly referred to as 'Hi' setting, for example, on the D5 Hi-1 is 204.800 ISO equivalent), or by attenuation the signal (the 'L' or 'Low' setting). In the latter case, noise is slightly reduced because the output is compressed, in the first case, noise increases because of the amplification. In either case you lose dynamic range.
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Did you get any impression of the high ISO performance (I know this is not what you primarily look for though).
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Just read a bit about the new SnapBridge app that connects using Bluetooth LE:
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/01/05/nikon-announces-new-snapbridge-connectivity-for-photo-transfer-and-sharing.aspx/
What I found most interesting was these features:
Remote Control Functions During Shooting
The SnapBridge application’s remote shooting4function allows users to confirm through-the-lens images on a smart device screen in real time before releasing the shutter via the application. Additionally on COOLPIX cameras, zoom control and the camera’s self-timer can also be controlled via compatible smartphone, offering many possibilities and greater freedom during shooting.
and
Automatic Synchronization of Location and Time Information
The SnapBridge application takes the location and time information of the user’s smart device and automatically synchronizes the camera’s to it, removing the need to manually change dates and location information of the camera when traveling abroad. Users can start shooting immediately upon arrival without having to worry about inaccurate location and time settings that will be reflected in their image data.
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Nikon D5 is listed at €7109 in the Netherlands.
21%VAT included.
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£5199 in the UK!
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Around 68 K in Norway (NOK). That includes 25% VAT.
Thus seemingly the camera is priced more or less the same in European countries. (taking exchange rates and VAT differences into account)
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The estimated retail price in Japan is 750,000 JPY (roughly 6,250 USD).
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81 images of D5 porn here:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20160107_737877.html
The texts are all in Japanese, which WON'T be a problem! :D
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The digital cameras allow an extension of their native ISO range either by giving opportunity to increase amplification of the signal (commonly referred to as 'Hi' setting, for example, on the D5 Hi-1 is 204.800 ISO equivalent), or by attenuation the signal (the 'L' or 'Low' setting). In the latter case, noise is slightly reduced because the output is compressed, in the first case, noise increases because of the amplification. In either case you lose dynamic range.
I was under the false impression that using iso 50 on my d750 would improve DR. Looks like the low iso settings will be relegated to when I want f/1.2 in daylight and don't have my ND filters on hand. Darn 1/4000 shutter! Thanks for the info Bjorn.
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ND filters have become a necessity I'm afraid. As good as the D750 is it certainly has some drawbacks...lack of fastfast shutter speed being one of them.
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Is it not more or less the same as the D700 with a 1/8000 shutter and base iso 200?
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what's with the new eyepiece adapter??... can you still put the rubber eye cup on it?... are there other accessories that require this kind of thing?
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what's with the new eyepiece adapter??... can you still put the rubber eye cup on it?... are there other accessories that require this kind of thing?
Yes, the "end" is still the same so you can put the rubber eyecup on igt. Or a right angle finder.
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Yes, the "end" is still the same so you can put the rubber eyecup on igt. Or a right angle finder.
so the adapter is presumably to seal the pentaprism from dust, etc... ???. not sure why it needs to be removed.. maybe for the right-angle finder?
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so the adapter is presumably to seal the pentaprism from dust, etc... ???. not sure why it needs to be removed.. maybe for the right-angle finder?
The clue is in the D5 brochure:
"The D5 employs the detachable DK-27 Eyepiece Adapter, which helps quick attachment of a rain cover. Prepare another DK-27 and have it attached to a rain cover in advance. If rain suddenly starts, you can quickly cover your camera with it, just like changing the eyepiece adapter, so you won't miss any photogenic moments."
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The clue is in the D5 brochure:
"The D5 employs the detachable DK-27 Eyepiece Adapter, which helps quick attachment of a rain cover. Prepare another DK-27 and have it attached to a rain cover in advance. If rain suddenly starts, you can quickly cover your camera with it, just like changing the eyepiece adapter, so you won't miss any photogenic moments."
Or, maybe you can attach an L-angle finder to another DK-27 to attach/detach conveniently...
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"you won't miss any photogenic moments"
Advertising writing taken to another level :D
In practice, though, you'll lose many of those moments "photogenic" or not, as removing/inserting the DK-27 is pretty awkward unless your fingers are small and nimble. We were several who tried and all fumbled a lot.
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i have a raincoat suitable for the camera and big glass.. i won't be using this feature let me tell you.. hardly makes design/cost sense to me.. must have been something else. curious..
i am really contemplating waiting for the D5s - since i own a D4s + D810 + D800E.... i was hoping for the 15fps, so for less than 10% frame rate improvement and 20Mpx which if you take the square root amounts to also less than 12% over the D4s vs improved ISO and AF... by the way, wildlife really has me using 9-pt center so the fancy 3-D moving around is kinda wasted on me.. so the AF is marginal as well... then i purchased the XQD cards only to now have to choose between the two (i actually got used to one of each since i used CF in my other cams)... well this starting to sound like a rant..
i am on the fence.
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Actually, I was just out to check. My D4s still work even if the D5 was announced ;) Even in minus 18 degrees celsius.
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Not a big surprise (not nearly as the D500). The Olympics year and the D5 as a evolutionary minor step development of the D-Series.
An advanced AF system with more AF-points and 4k Video as the main steps compared to the D4s
Similar to Bob no reason for a D4S user to upgrade. I bought one last year and I think I will continue to be very satisfied with it for a significant amount of time
Maybe until the D6 or so ;-)
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Actually, I was just out to check. My D4s still work even if the D5 was announced ;) Even in minus 18 degrees celsius.
damn...that looks like me on the rock :)
very nice shot by the way!
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Some of the advantages with the new announcements are discussed at dpreview http://www.dpreview.com/opinions/7352408758/nikon-s-new-d5-and-d500-push-the-boundaries-of-dslr
The disproportionate look of the 14-24 suits my rather poorly, Bob ::)
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interesting... i somehow missed that the D500 has in-camera VR..
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interesting... i somehow missed that the D500 has in-camera VR..
I understood it is only for video. Did I miss something?
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I understood it is only for video. Did I miss something?
ok.. i really don't know to tell you the truth.. i guess so.. but i don't know why it would only be video.
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Ill check back tomorrow. Too tired now.
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6) Electronic VR for Shooting HD Video
While the Nikon D500 does not have in-body image stabilization (IBIS), Nikon developed something called “Electronic Vibration Reduction”, which basically stabilizes video shooting via software. And the cool thing is, you can actually use this feature in combination with lens VR to get even better results! Nikon made this electronic VR work in 3 directions – horizontal, vertical and rotational.
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https://photographylife.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-nikon-d500
this is where I found it.
I post this as an extra reply because my smartphone clipboard
deletes everything I wrote if I insert the clipboard.
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https://photographylife.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-nikon-d500
this is where I found it.
I post this as an extra reply because my smartphone clipboard
deletes everything I wrote if I insert the clipboard.
thx Frank.
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interesting.. http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d5/spec.htm
Approximate frame advance rate Up to 10 fps (CL); 10 to 12 fps, or 14 fps with mirror up (CH); or 3 fps (quiet continuous mode)
so they don't guarantee 12fps... (10-12fps)
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Will depend on shutter speed.
I ran the D5 with 12fps and had no issues.
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Will depend on shutter speed.
I ran the D5 with 12fps and had no issues.
how did you measure it?
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how did you measure it?
Using "photographic memory". :D
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I doubt the value of 14fps with mirror up
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It's fairly easy to measure it...
A stopwatch and counting the frames taken...
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"I doubt the value of 14fps with mirror up"
My AW1 does 60 frames per sec. in raw, so why not?
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Using "photographic memory". :D
Look at the EXIF??? The times of the exposures should tally over say, 10 seconds, 120 images. I would have thought...
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The software based shake reduction is for video only since video files have lower resolution than the native image of the sensor, and so there are extra pixels that can be used to estimate the shake trajectory, reduce it in software and finally store resample it to the video resolution and store in the video files.
Likely the maximum fps rate depends on the lens and perhaps the aperture as well. With the aperture mechanisms of G lenses in the longest lenses I suspect the maximum rate is a bit less than specified, while with the E lenses it should reach the nominal rate if the shutter speed is fast enough. In this article
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-500mm-f4e-vr/3
the author notes getting 10fps from the 500/4G vs. 11fps on the 500/4E with the D4s at f/4 to f/16, 10.5fps at f/22. I suspect the high fps is possible with short G lenses with shorter mechanical connections between the camera and the aperture blades.
On the other hand I've had some struggles with E lenses in the cold. I was shooting landscape on the sea coast and it was about -23 C to -19 C depending on the day. The sea was still open for the most part and there was a lot of "sea smoke". After a while of using the D810 and 24 PC-E I got Err and the aperture seemed to behave erratically. Some shots were wildly overexposured. I noticed in live view that as I opened up the aperture, the image went dark! It could be some communication problem with the body and lens. The camera also refused to operate in M-UP mode, reverting to S behavior. I've not seen this particular problem before and it went away after the body and lens were warm again. I'm just saying that while the E aperture control is helpful there may be still some glitches with the implementation. I've had problems in the past using the D800 and D700 locking up (with different symptoms) in similar conditions and usually I've been using a PC-E lens in those cases though I can't remember if it the lens was always an E lens. I would have to check old files.
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I doubt the value of 14fps with mirror up
Why?
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The software based shake reduction is for video only since video files have lower resolution than the native image of the sensor, and so there are extra pixels that can be used to estimate the shake trajectory, reduce it in software and finally store resample it to the video resolution and store in the video files.
It's also a feature that has been available in smartphones for years.
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Using "photographic memory". :D
yes you could read the time between recorded images..
duh.. sorry
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how did you measure it?
EXIF Data show seconds in time stamp. If you see 12 exposures for several seconds ....
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EXIF Data show seconds in time stamp. If you see 12 exposures for several seconds ....
yes, yes, yes.. thx for the help
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"I doubt the value of 14fps with mirror up"
My AW1 does 60 frames per sec. in raw, so why not?
The main issue is that since there is no viewfinder at 14fps, it is harder to support the lens and camera and follow the movement of the subject during the sequence. Also because the live view image isn't real time the subject may not be fully included in any/some of the frames captured, unless one uses a short focal length to make sure there is plenty of room for error.
However, for some situations the 14fps feature could be used e.g. to capture a subject that moves in a larger setting and is not likely to exit the frame during the sequence, and where the camera is fixed on a tripod. I have a pair of studio flashes that can do 14fps easily, and this could be used for e.g. dance moves or acrobatics in the studio.
However, I doubt it can be used for bird in flight photos with tight framing.
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The main issue is that since there is no viewfinder at 14fps, it is harder to support the lens and camera and follow the movement of the subject during the sequence. Also because the live view image isn't real time the subject may not be fully included in any/some of the frames captured, unless one uses a short focal length to make sure there is plenty of room for error.
However, for some situations the 14fps feature could be used e.g. to capture a subject that moves in a larger setting and is not likely to exit the frame during the sequence, and where the camera is fixed on a tripod. I have a pair of studio flashes that can do 14fps easily, and this could be used for e.g. dance moves or acrobatics in the studio.
However, I doubt it can be used for bird in flight photos with tight framing.
The latter was what I had in mind
But there are indeed uses described here where it might have its value
Does not affect my approach so far
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how did you measure it?
Mississippi one - Mississippi two ... Mississippi ten and checking that I got 120 frames :D
The viewfinder blackout for each frame is very short, but the overall effect was similar to watching a badly tuned TV station. Not very pleasant for long periods of time.
Using Q (quiet) mode I got around 3 fps.
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Is it published somewhere, how many shots you can get in a burst with CF cards?
The price for both versions is the same but XQD cards are pricey and it does add up. I have sufficient CF cards for my needs. However I think mechanically the XQD is superior because there are no pins.
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Wonder if these versions can be adapted from one to another by Nikon service, should be modular I guess
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Nikon Nordic (and by implication, also Nikon Europe as they supply the actual cameras) aim to sell D5 in its basic XQD configuration. A modification to CF *only* is possible at the appointed Nikon repair facilities. However, Nikon recommends against that as the full potential of the camera cannot be realised.
CF will have around 1/4 of the buffer capacity, 1/3 of the writing speed, and data transfer to the PC/Mac will take many times longer compared to XQD. Nikon considered modification to get CF storage slots a "degradation" of the D5 (their words, actually).
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degradation is an interesting wording
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I'm going for XQD. Why not? A card is a card. And a faster card is better. Given that CF have to be replaced periodically anyway, I see no reason to avoid XQD purchases.
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The CF format is old and fragile compared to XQD. Looking at various speed tests from when Nikon started supporting it shows a pretty decent speed difference in favour of XQD. Hardly surprising, there would be no reason to switch if it wasn't better. I could imagine cards today are even faster.
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I'm just happy they didn't put something like an Ultra-Mini-micro SD card into the camera by following the stupid engineering stance regarding miniaturisation while ignoring human physiognomy.
CF cards fragile? Compared to SD they are rock solid. I have had SD cards break just by picking them up.
XQD goes one further in robustness though. My main worry is that they have been slow in being accepted by other camera makes thus keeping up their premium price.
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I'm going for XQD. Why not? A card is a card. And a faster card is better. Given that CF have to be replaced periodically anyway, I see no reason to avoid XQD purchases.
Going to Equip my D4S with a XQD soon, currently it is running on CF, with the D500 running on XQD this will be the first step for a switch on the long run
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I didn't compare them to SD cards :)
I agree that it would be a good thing if more devices started to use them.
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I am always puzzled when people argue against the fastest/best. Here we are, salivating and getting hard ons over these new cameras and yet we complain over the cards... I don't get it...but I still get a ... on 😁
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D5-a is the XQD version
D5-b is the CF version
The 3 minute 4K limit is by choice. Nikon may/may not expand the max time in future firmware upgrade.
Viewfinder magnification of 0.72x is slightly increased over the D4s. (The D500 has a 0.67x magnification if viewed as a FX camera).
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The 3 minute limit actually is caused by hitting the 4 GB file size limit.
Nikon Nordic claimed they will only sell the XQD model.
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CF card itself is not fragile. It is the socket with a bunch of fragile pins.
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I basicly did not change cards in the D3. So the XQD for the next Gen will be part of the original purchase
and then forgotten about. I hope to receive test samples soon...
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CF card itself is not fragile. It is the socket with a bunch of fragile pins.
Well, I've shot >400 thousand images with SD and CF cards. I've never lost an image on CF card due to any fault of the card, nor had a card malfunction, or experienced any pin problem. (I've lost a couple of images by taking the card out of the camera while the camera (D70) was still writing and I've lost an image by accidentally deleting it, but these are not card format related problems). I've just recently lost two SD cards which simply refused to function in the camera. The SD card seems fragile and my limited personal usage data makes me not trust them any more. With CF cards I have no reason not to trust them based on my experience so far.
I'm happy to uptake XQD but I am somewhat concerned about the card format's future. If it is abandoned in the future because of insufficient sales, then the cameras that use only XQD run risk of losing their value prematurely. If it becomes widely used and popular, any XQD cards bought today will lose a lot of their value because the new cards will likely be priced much cheaper after the volumes pick up. So there is some risk involved. But if the camera performance is severely lagging with CF then that's a bit of a problem too, if the intention is to use it for action with high fps bursts. For me the interest in the D5 is in the ergonomics, durability, the resistance to harsh environmental conditions etc. and the autofocus, but I almost always shoot in single shot mode so I'm unlikely to run into the buffer limit even with CF cards. I have enough CF cards to last a lifetime and they work with two of my other cameras which is great when one camera is backup to the other, no need to maintain an archive of a variety of different card types and always keep them ready to go. For me, XQD cards increase the cost of camera purchase by a minimum of about 15% so that's not a trivial cost. However, if the XQD format becomes successful in the future the XQD version may retain its resale value better than the CF version. I assume Nikon only make a finite number of replacement card interfaces and those would probably not be available after the camera itself is discontinued in about 4 years. It would be great if Nikon provided the parts for the other card type with each D5. This would make the camera a bit more future proof.
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I used D2H extensively and Canon 5D MkIII briefly, and hadn't had any issues with CF cards either. But I was very careful whenever I insert the card into the slot of the cameras, because I felt the pins fragile. My friend pro-photog had had a pin broken on his D1X, which had made me careful. I'd had similar reports on the net, too. I think the construction of CF card slot has a potential problem of "jamming finger" type of breakage of pins.
Having said that, I don't advocate the superiority of SD card system. I've experienced a trouble of a slot of my D7000 being unable to regocnize a card which had absolutely no problem. After repeated inserting and releasing, the camera recognized the card again. I think the sring design of the contacts of SD card slot have a potential contact problem. And, yes, the card itself does feel more fragile than a CF.
I believe XQD card design addresses these potential problems, but I understand Ilkka's concern about the popularity of XQD. So far as I'm aware, D4/4s and a handful of Sony professional videocams are the only hardware that uses XQD. It is very strange that none of Sony A7 series bodies use XQD. Even the latest A7S II which offers the 4K raw shooting on the internal card. Possibly because XQD cards are still pretty expensive and would have affected the popularity of A7 series.
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well... you can always have Nikon replace the XQD with CF..
but i invested in XQD with the D4 & D4s... including both readers for the newer G-series as well.. the only issue for me is all those CF cards i know own and the thought of having to buy more XQD.. they are faster
although the second run (s-series) produced a bad card and it would slow down after it starting filling up.. happened with a friend of mine also..
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Get the XQD version, but buy the CF module as a spare.
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well... you can always have Nikon replace the XQD with CF..
but i invested in XQD with the D4 & D4s... including both readers for the newer G-series as well.. the only issue for me is all those CF cards i know own and the thought of having to buy more XQD.. they are faster
although the second run (s-series) produced a bad card and it would slow down after it starting filling up.. happened with a friend of mine also..
Does G-Series XQD card require special adaptations in the D4S camera as well?
or just a special reader?
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Does G-Series XQD card require special adaptations in the D4S camera as well?
or just a special reader?
reader only..
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Get the XQD version, but buy the CF module as a spare.
my understanding is that requires the cam being sent back to Nikon service... it may be plug and play but requires a service installation. probably costs $$
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The replacement of XQD with CF is a service to be conducted at a qualified Nikon Repair shop. And will cost you $$.
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i don't understand why someone would pay seven thousand for a camera and then save on memory cards?
i have been using the XQD card on the D4 and it is extremely quick. beware it is not indestructible. i managed to crack the plastic rim when inserting the card into the card reader.
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reader only..
Thanks Bob! :-)
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Never used a card reader. Never had a problem with cards.
The extra speed of a card reader it's been never a necessity.
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Never used a card reader. Never had a problem with cards.
The extra speed of a card reader it's been never a necessity.
I prefer using a card reader for convenience. Just dont like to connect the Camera directly to the Computer.
The downside? I need to take more care of the card to protect them
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The USB port in the camera is less robust than the card slot. Better to pull the card and insert into a dedicated reader.
Besides, with some tripod brackets the left-hand side port(s) might be blocked.
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The USB port in the camera is less robust than the card slot...
I noticed this when using external devices, like a Promote Control. In this case the cable will give inevitably more stress on the port during use.
When transfering to the computer I try to use maximum care to insert/pull the cable (and the camera is sitting on the table), may be the same care someone else use with the card, but the card is still double stressed: once in the camera, once in the reader. The in-camera USB port only once.
Either way, I think, only care is a good recipe and let's hope for the best. :D
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i don't understand why someone would pay seven thousand for a camera and then save on memory cards?
I don't understand why one would throw away money on something they don't need and get no tangible benefit from (even 25% of 200 shots is 50 shots which is enough for any situation I might run into). It's equivalent to drawing 1500€ from the ATM and just setting the notes on fire. My CF cards are already plenty fast enough for my needs and they work on my other cameras which I also need when shooting an event. Also there is the matter of supporting reasonable efforts in standardization. XQD has negligible market share and the companies who use it don't seem very committed to it since they don't use it across the lineup even in cameras that would benefit from the specifications. Also, Canon, Sandisk etc. do not have any XQD products which is enough to bury the others' half-hearted efforts.
Nothing loses value quite as fast as memory cards. When I got my first digital SLR, I paid 300€ per 1GB for memory cards. They were fast for their time.
Now, if you need the D5 for its speed and intend to use the 200-image buffer, it makes perfect sense to get the XQD version and however much fast storage you need. It may make sense for resale value purposes in either case. However, in my opinion memory card formats should be standardized across the industry this is the only way to get reasonable prices.
So that there is no misunderstanding, I have nothing against XQD but my complaint is about the lack of proper standardization.
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Marco are you saying that your camera shows up on your computer as a disk drive?
What sort of computer system are you using?
My D810 does not show as a disk but the cards do when accessed out of the camera i.e. via a card reader or via the SD slot on the back of the iMac!
Cheers Mike G
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I do use an iMac. And Lr.
Lr automatically recognize the card as a disk the moment you turn the camera on.
Don't know if this works with other applications.
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I don't understand why one would throw away money on something they don't need and get no tangible benefit from (even 25% of 200 shots is 50 shots which is enough for any situation I might run into). It's equivalent to drawing 1500€ from the ATM and just setting the notes on fire. My CF cards are already plenty fast enough for my needs and they work on my other cameras which I also need when shooting an event. Also there is the matter of supporting reasonable efforts in standardization. XQD has negligible market share and the companies who use it don't seem very committed to it since they don't use it across the lineup even in cameras that would benefit from the specifications. Also, Canon, Sandisk etc. do not have any XQD products which is enough to bury the others' half-hearted efforts.
Nothing loses value quite as fast as memory cards. When I got my first digital SLR, I paid 300€ per 1GB for memory cards. They were fast for their time.
Now, if you need the D5 for its speed and intend to use the 200-image buffer, it makes perfect sense to get the XQD version and however much fast storage you need. It may make sense for resale value purposes in either case. However, in my opinion memory card formats should be standardised across the industry this is the only way to get reasonable prices.
So that there is no misunderstanding, I have nothing against XQD but my complaint is about the lack of proper standardisation.
totally agree. I mean really - ANOTHER card format? Getting to be like Apple - every new device has a new port/plug/charger - $$$$ and lots to add to land fill.
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Thank you Marco, I too have Lr recognise the camera, I had mistakenly thought you meant something else!
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Thank you Marco, I too have Lr recognise the camera, I had mistakenly thought you meant something else!
Mike, the camera should have a menu item to set it as "mass storage" so that the camera is recognized as hard drive when you connect it to your computer (Mac or PC).
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Akira that is no longer true, that facility stopped with the D300s.
A distant memory on my D810!
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Akira that is no longer true, that facility stopped with the D300s.
A distant memory on my D810!
Really? My D7000 had the item, if I remember correctly. My current Olympus (hit the shelf las year) has it even with more options including "auto". So Nikon bodies are all set to auto maybe?
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D3s and D800 are without Mass Storage. Although they are not recognised as disks on a Mac, Image Capture (part of OSX) recognises them and can be used for downloading straight from the camera.
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totally agree. I mean really - ANOTHER card format? Getting to be like Apple - every new device has a new port/plug/charger - $$$$ and lots to add to land fill.
I don't understand why one would throw away money on something they don't need and get no tangible benefit from (even 25% of 200 shots is 50 shots which is enough for any situation I might run into). It's equivalent to drawing 1500€ from the ATM and just setting the notes on fire. My CF cards are already plenty fast enough for my needs and they work on my other cameras which I also need when shooting an event. Also there is the matter of supporting reasonable efforts in standardization. XQD has negligible market share and the companies who use it don't seem very committed to it since they don't use it across the lineup even in cameras that would benefit from the specifications. Also, Canon, Sandisk etc. do not have any XQD products which is enough to bury the others' half-hearted efforts.
Nothing loses value quite as fast as memory cards. When I got my first digital SLR, I paid 300€ per 1GB for memory cards. They were fast for their time.
Now, if you need the D5 for its speed and intend to use the 200-image buffer, it makes perfect sense to get the XQD version and however much fast storage you need. It may make sense for resale value purposes in either case. However, in my opinion memory card formats should be standardized across the industry this is the only way to get reasonable prices.
So that there is no misunderstanding, I have nothing against XQD but my complaint is about the lack of proper standardization.
The XQD cards have been introduced with the D4 so it's not really that new.
And even then, Nikon offered two different slots, the other being for CF cards.
I am all in for standardization and it seems that CF cards are becoming the past and that XQD are the future.
I see a D5 as a no compromise camera, only the best features and best specs, hence XQD cards.
My initial point was, if you can afford a D5, you should be able to afford new memory cards.
If you want to drive a W12 engine car you should be able to afford the fuel costs.
If you don't need the speed of the D5, do you really need a D5 then?
I don't need a W12 engine car, but a V8 will do me just nicely :)
Never have there been so many good cameras out there from all brands.
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Yes oneshould not save money atthe wrong place and have a slow card be the bottleneck
But look, I am running my D4S on a single CF card, which is faster than the S and N Series QXDs available when the D4 came out.
So I need a G series to be faster (does not make sense to pay more bucks for a slower card does it?). My dealer doesnot offer it, my preferred online dealer does not have it in stock currently, its so expensive that one is lusted to wait for the prices come down a little bit. Iam sure there is some online dealer somewhere but I simply was too lazy so far. The even faster Lexar XQD the D5 was tested with - well I have heard about it the first time when the D5 came out. There will be faster CF cards in the future. I also prefer one card system but the D500 will force to introduce another card system besides CF and SD (yes D800E has a second SD slot and Df solely relies on SD). I wonder if XQD fits into my card tank designed for CF/SD, probably not.
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Anthony has put it far more eloquently than I It would be more convenient to me if Nikon would bring back the mass storage facility, it would save faffing about with cards and readers! After all a digital camera is a form of disk drive aint it, yet another instance of manufacturer altering an operating system to suit itself and not necessarily its customers, the ten pin connector is another case in point!
If XQD cards are so much better? why doesn't Sony use them in its own cameras? It is an oddball design that seems to be doomed to be consigned to history, at least Nikon has made the card module fairly easily changeable, I wonder why?
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The XQD cards have been introduced with the D4 so it's not really that new.
And even then, Nikon offered two different slots, the other being for CF cards.
I am all in for standardization and it seems that CF cards are becoming the past and that XQD are the future.
I see a D5 as a no compromise camera, only the best features and best specs, hence XQD cards.
My initial point was, if you can afford a D5, you should be able to afford new memory cards.
If you want to drive a W12 engine car you should be able to afford the fuel costs.
If you don't need the speed of the D5, do you really need a D5 then?
I don't need a W12 engine car, but a V8 will do me just nicely :)
Never have there been so many good cameras out there from all brands.
We are on the same page. I am pretty sure the "new" cards are better - and that the D5 shooter will benefit greatly. But seriously - it would have been nice if we could build up a supply of cards and keep using them in future cameras. Its not only that they are expensive to buy from scratch again - but what does one do with all the old cards that also cost you a pretty penny. Just a rant. Of course I would buy if needed :)
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do you get 200 buffered images in raw?.. or just jpg.
the D4s gives me around 60 raw images with XQD... which is plenty for me to tell you the truth.. even for wildlife action.
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The XQD cards have been introduced with the D4 so it's not really that new.
Right, but practically no one is using them. Canon is using CFast cards not XQD, and Sandisk is not making XQD cards. The low market share means the cards are several times more expensive than they should be.
And even then, Nikon offered two different slots, the other being for CF cards.
Which meant to use the quintessential in camera backup feature, you were stuck with the performance of the CF card and had to have identically sized CF and XQD cards in pairs, an additional cost. In my opinion having mismatched cards is a bad idea that complicates things.
I am all in for standardization and it seems that CF cards are becoming the past and that XQD are the future.
No it is not. Canon is the largest player in the professional photography market and they are not using XQD but a different high performance card standard (CFast) in their video cameras. If Canon commits to a format it basically means that few will believe the competing format will survive in the long term and users may start investing against it, essentially placing a bet on the biggest dog. This is my main concern with regards to XQD. Canon haven't put CFast cards yet in a still camera so there is a faint hope. After a few years whatever Canon chooses will likely become the standard. Of course if Sony and Nikon are nice to their customers, they'll try to continue supporting XQD but if the alternate high performance card format gets majority then prices will be lower for that format and XQD will remain expensive. Anyway, maybe things will go well for XQD but in the past there have been several cases where only one of two very similar media types have survived.
Interstingly though, Sony's blu ray did prevail so that gives XQD hope.
I see a D5 as a no compromise camera, only the best features and best specs, hence XQD cards.
They could have read the tea leaves and chosen the same card type as the market leader.
My initial point was, if you can afford a D5, you should be able to afford new memory cards.
The cost is not the main issue but if something is manufactured, its production has energy and natural resource costs, waste etc. and so in order to conserve the planet, any product should be used as long as its useful life allows, ie. until it fails, unless it is like the W12 car that you mention, and produces so much pollution that it should be demolished as quickly as possible to save the planet. ;D The fact that Sony is not using XQD in their A7 line suggests that they believe it may be a liability and don't want to use it to avoid customers being spooked off. In my opinion only if both Sony and Nikon use XQD across both their lineups of high performance cameras does the format have a chance against Canon and Sandisk. This is what I hope will happen.
If you want to drive a W12 engine car you should be able to afford the fuel costs.
If you buy that W12 and it can only use a new type of fuel which can be purchased only in three stations worldwide would you believe it will continue to be available in the future?
If you don't need the speed of the D5, do you really need a D5 then?
Speed and buffer are two different things. Needing a 200 image buffer suggests it is likely that the user isn't very good at action photography and are shooting anything and everything instead of focusing on likely situations for good pictures.
And yes, the D5 has other things of value than its speed.
When I use the cornermost AF point in the Multi-CAM 3500 array in an FX camera, the camera quite often fails to focus on the subject. Yet this is in a position in the frame which is ideal for an off centered, dynamic composition and I often need to use such points. The D5 has a larger focus point array with more cross type points and it's more likely to work reliably in such usage.
Also with the second tier FX cameras I frequently have problems in winter photography, this includes the D700, D800 and now my D810. All of them tend to fail when it's sufficiently cold and humid. In the winter I photograph the sea freezing. The D700 would simply go black when I would press MENU it would go all dark in these conditions. The D3 and D3X never showed this kind of misbehavior in similar conditions. Also the D800 and D810 show comparable but different signs of malfunction in the same conditions. The D800 would simply hang. The D810 just last week would display "Err" on three consequtive days when I was photographing the freezing sea at -25 to -19 degrees Celsius. Admittedly the relative humidity must have been close to 100%, but still what happened is that after the error message, M-UP failed to work, and the camera appeared to be in single shot mode. Some of the images captured were not stored on the card, and some had gross over or underexposure. Live view showed an image which got dimmer as I opened up (!) the aperture. Now, while I admit the conditions were rough the fact is that I've used D3 and D3X in similar conditions numerous times without a single faulty behavior showing up. This suggests to me that they are built to different standards of weather, cold and humidity resistance. Now, if I remove the high humidity factor, the D810 can handle the cold better. Still the otherworldly landscape that exists as water freezes in these temperatures is what I want to photograph and I need a tool that will work perfectly reliably in these conditions. The right conditions are not repeated often; after the sea has frozen the next opportunity is usually the next year, and sometimes the right weather conditions do not repeat for a few years, so from my point of view the camera has to work. Interestingly enough a friend of mine who shoots with Canons doesn't have this kind of problems in the same conditions, and he exposes his gear for a much longer time to this environment than I do since he shoots winter landscape professionally.
The single digit Nikon also have a shape which is more easy to use with winter gloves and because of the lack of the pop up flash the 24 PC-E is much easier to use. When shifting the lens along the long axis, on a D810 the shift lock has to be under the viewfinder / popup housing where it is difficult to reach. I had to take my gloves off to lock it, which resulted in frostbite - I have painful red areas all over the backs of my right hand because of this. The D3X (and presumably D5) allow the shift knob to be in front of the viewfinder housing and the lock to be on the easily accessible other side where I can use it even with some thin gloves on. Thus the handling of this lens is easier with single digit Nikons (and the Df). This is because there is no popup flash housing that would block access to the lens controls.
These applications have nothing to do with the speed of the D5 and I would likely not use the burst feature more than twice a year, but that doesn't mean I will not benefit from the camera. Now, there may be a D820 in the wings, with "almost" D5 AF, and it'll probably be pop up free thankfully, as the D500 now is. But since the three predecessors in this series have all failed to withstand the kind of environment I put them into in my winter photography, and function reliably, I doubt the next model will, either. Yes, I could bring a whole slew of cameras and hope some will work but I'd rather have one that always works.
The larger battery of the big cameras also benefits winter usage although admittedly the D810's battery consumption is very low in the cold (with LV usage) as it is, a big improvement from its predecessors. However, I need a camera that won't say "Err" when it is feeling a bit of cold. If I can withstand the environment, so should the camera.
I rarely use the burst feature of my cameras, however, so I don't need a 200 image buffer instead of an already large (say) 50 image buffer. In my view the peak action should be recognized by the photographer and timed based on the knowledge of the subject and what they see through the viewfinder. Very rarely do I run into a situation where I get better results letting the camera do a burst. And when I did use the 9fps burst feature of my D3, I ended up with a ton of out of focus, badly timed shots because it's so indiscriminant and the camera wouldn't be able to maintain focus on the approaching subject wide open anyway, at that frame rate. (People who shoot action stopped down to f/5.6 or f/8 may have better luck, and newer cameras probably AF faster and the mirror up dead time is likely shorter.) I consider the timing of the shots a part of my personality and photographic style, and it's not something I can give to a machine, except in very unusual scenarios where something that I see in the viewfinder would distract me and cause systematically failed prediction and timing of shots. In such a scenario I can use CH to nail the shot but it's really rare.
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do you get 200 buffered images in raw?.. or just jpg.
Compressed NEF buffer with the D5 is 200 shots I believe.
the D4s gives me around 60 raw images with XQD... which is plenty for me to tell you the truth.. even for wildlife action.
I agree 60 or even 50 images is a lot and I can't foresee a situation where I'd run into a situation even in figure skating phototography where I'd need more than that.
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I agree 60 or even 50 images is a lot and I can't foresee a situation where I'd run into a situation even in figure skating phototography where I'd need more than that.
turns out that the frame rate is more important for me... was hoping for 15fps (everything on).
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turns out that the frame rate is more important for me... was hoping for 15fps (everything on).
I think that kind of frame rate is not possible with a moving mirror and continuous AF tracking. This requires a different design than DSLR, i.e. mirrorless or fixed semitransparent mirror. But for some reason mirrorless cameras that can acheive 15fps cannot do it with a live viewfinder (the EVF only shows an after the fact slide show), the technology apparently is not there yet. Without a live viewfinder I think the applications of 15fps are limited to special circumstances where the photographer does not need to follow the movement and there is plenty of room around the main subject in the image.
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I think that kind of frame rate is not possible with a moving mirror and continuous AF tracking. This requires a different design than DSLR, i.e. mirrorless or fixed semitransparent mirror. But for some reason mirrorless cameras that can acheive 15fps cannot do it with a live viewfinder (the EVF only shows an after the fact slide show), the technology apparently is not there yet. Without a live viewfinder I think the applications of 15fps are limited to special circumstances where the photographer does not need to follow the movement and there is plenty of room around the main subject in the image.
yes i know.... it will be more like 10-12fps..... but i was hoping for faster
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SLR is already at the edge
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it will be more like 10-12fps..... but i was hoping for faster
Bob, do you think it feasible to extract single frames from a 4K vid in lieu of just having faster fps?
I tend to think that eventually it will come down to that. It may already be done, but I'm not up on the latest techniques of the sports shooters or other shooters who need high fps.
Needing a 200 image buffer suggests it is likely that the user isn't very good at action photography and are shooting anything and everything instead of focusing on likely situations for good pictures.
Illka, no. Some actions with birds or animals cannot be anticipated like they can (somewhat) with sports or cars or whatever. There is often no time to 'focus on likely situations for good pictures'. Also some actions are so fast that you can literally miss them between single frame shooting. That can happen also with sequential shooting, of course, but it's less likely.
Anyway big buffers and high fps have been a huge benefit for capturing bird behaviorial sequences, for example. I am good at action photography and am very very happy to have big buffers and high fps. Yes, in the olden days action photographers grew adept at capturing some actions at their peak, but you don't hear about how many they totally missed. A lot. I think those guys would have leaped to have pan lock and track features with good buffers which permit sequential shooting to stay with the action rather than just picking at it with single frame shots.
Also with big buffers you can re-engage the lock & track to follow a new action or to reset the current action even though the previous shots are still clearing the buffer.
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Go get a RED camera and you can have the combination of high speed for action in conjunction with the ability to extract single frames of high quality from the video stream. However, you do need to cough up many times more money than what a "mere" D5 will cost you.
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Well, yes, but 4K in our own dSLRs might also be useful for this? That is what I'm asking.
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Lock the mirror up and fire away at 14 fps. That'll save you the expenses of a RED outfit. Plus the entire sensor is used.
The single frame of a video rarely uses the entire sensor area. So in that sense a still frame from a video is not the direct equivalent to an ordinary capture.
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Well, yes, but is that still frame good enough in 4K?
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"it depends"
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Go get a RED camera and you can have the combination of high speed for action in conjunction with the ability to extract single frames of high quality from the video stream. However, you do need to cough up many times more money than what a "mere" D5 will cost you.
And....last I checked, "Red Raw" is actually a 3:1 compression, so you lose what stills people consider to be 'raw', as well money.
Also, everything is big and heavy: the CF or XQD card morphs into a 2.5" SSD.
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Well, at least you can boast of having the latest and most expensive gear ....
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Well, at least you can boast of having the latest and most expensive gear ....
you could have your gear custom made as NASA does for their space telescope...
A 4x5 qinch sensor with HUGE pixels built into a standard film cassette would be such a wish.
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Actually there is just one model, D5 with XQD slots. However, you can have the XQD slots replaced by CF. Nikon offers this as a user "degradation" option to be retrofitted at a qualified Nikon repair facility so is not something they actively will push, not at least in my part of the world. The national Nikon CEO was crystal clear on that question.
I just recognized that Nikon Switzerland offers both versions, the CF configuration approx. USD 150.- more expensive
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That'll probably be the cost of the conversion - pre-made.
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Bob, do you think it feasible to extract single frames from a 4K vid in lieu of just having faster fps?
I tend to think that eventually it will come down to that. It may already be done, but I'm not up on the latest techniques of the sports shooters or other shooters who need high fps.
not for my purposes.
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XQD has negligible market share and the companies who use it don't seem very committed to it since they don't use it across the lineup even in cameras that would benefit from the specifications. Also, Canon, Sandisk etc. do not have any XQD products which is enough to bury the others' half-hearted efforts.
The fact that Nikon has continued to use the XQD format with the D5 and D500 shows that they think there is a future for this format. The D500 alone will do much to make XQD more widely used. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned up on other high-end models such as a D810 replacement.
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couldn't they just make a camera with 4 different slots.... like some card readers..... :P
yes we want the upgraded stuff - better performance etc - doesn't matter what it is - it will cost us. The camera manufacturers are in this for the money - no other reason to build cameras.
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The fact that Nikon has continued to use the XQD format with the D5 and D500 shows that they think there is a future for this format. The D500 alone will do much to make XQD more widely used. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned up on other high-end models such as a D810 replacement.
i believe all of Sony's Digital Video uses XQD cards.
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Earlier in life the cards were so small and so expensive that I carried a Hard Drive for card backups on the road.
At that time I dreamed just to have a Harddrive on my belt and record open end, but the cameras did not support that.
My first CF was 110 Euro and held 256MB of photos. Bummer.
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My first CF was 110 Euro and held 256MB of photos. Bummer.
Lucky you, my first was 512MB and €499,00
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...But for some reason mirrorless cameras that can acheive 15fps cannot do it with a live viewfinder (the EVF only shows an after the fact slide show), the technology apparently is not there yet. Without a live viewfinder I think the applications of 15fps are limited to special circumstances where the photographer does not need to follow the movement and there is plenty of room around the main subject in the image.
My AW1 will do up to 60FPS full size raw with non-interrupted screen view (as likely the rest of the 1 system bodies) so it can be done.
The buffer only lasts for a fraction of a second though at that rate, about 20-25 frames if I recall correctly.
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The D5, a lot. D500 as soon as it arrives on these latitudes.
Hi Bjorn
Do you have an idea exactly when in March it will be available?
I leave for a Botswana assignment April 6th and have pre-ordered from my Netherlands on launch day.
Cheers
Marc
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No clue except I already know the waiting queue will be *very* long. NPS members probably will be given priority.
Reviewers usually can get their eager hands on early units, but sometimes we have to fight for them too and be literally pests to our Nikon contacts.
Do remember Nikon is not a big company and their production capacity is limited if these cameras all are to be assembled at their Japanese Sendai plant. My guess is that D500 will be outsourced to either Thailand or China where Nikon has factories with bigger capacity, but time will tell.
Going on any important assignment with a brand new camera usually isn't a great idea (unless you have had time to run in the camera first, or bring alternatives).
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Appreciate the reply Bjorn,
yes, I'm very wary of a new camera especially away in Africa, and was hoping it might be early March to "bed" the new boy in, so to speak, but will have my D4s & D4 as backups anyway.
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If I were a Nikon engineer I would be about ready to slit my wrist now.
Bring out a camera with a 35-frame buffer and everybody complains that it is not enough. Now bring out one with a 200-frame buffer and almost everyone complains about the new format memory card needed to clear it efficiently...
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't :D
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't :D
In Finland people are used to consensus based policy making. Everything is discussed with all parties in the government and the parliament and laws often come back for changes after these discussions. Why could Nikon not sit with Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Red etc. and agree on a high performance card format that everyone would use? It would lead to higher volume of purchasers, less anxiety about the future, more manufacturers for the cards and lower costs for the consumers. And nobody would think about buying the CF version of the D5.
When high defininition became common in the advent of flat panel televisions, there were initially two optical disc formats that provided FullHD quality video. Eventually the blu ray format won out and the other format was discontinued. Now those consumers who purchased movies and players for the other format will have to maintain an additional player for that format to play the films they have purchased. This is a waste.
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I think Sony's fault is lied in the corporate's nature of the quest for profit: they want it the source of licensing business. They made a big mistake with the Beta video cassettes, and those dreadful memory sticks (do you remember them?!). I'm not sure if Sony is making the same mistake again...
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Sony made the MiniDisc as well, which was somewhat of a succes but far from as big as it could have been.
It's the disadvantage of the quick improvements in the technology world we see, current technology and standards regularly only have a limited life time before being replaced by something better. USB has improved and given quite stupid alternate names, but it is a very popular and the latest connector standard, USB Type C, have a decent chance of becomming very widely used. It's resonably small, can transfer at speeds up to at least 40Gbps (Thunderbolt 3), supports displayport and provide enough power for charging most laptops as well. The first desktop monitors with USB Type C has arrived which means you can simply connect your laptop with USB Type C (the Macbook was the first) to the monitor and have it charge your laptop while using it as an external display. Smartphones are starting to switch to this standard too. There's of course the ugly part: Apple IOS devices, it would be great if they switched too.
I love this XKCD comic about standards: https://xkcd.com/927/ (and for those who aren't aware, there's extra info in the mouse-overs on XKCD comics)
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Sony made the MiniDisc as well, which was somewhat of a succes but far from as big as it could have been.
It's the disadvantage of the quick improvements in the technology world we see, current technology and standards regularly only have a limited life time before being replaced by something better. USB has improved and given quite stupid alternate names, but it is a very popular and the latest connector standard, USB Type C, have a decent chance of becomming very widely used. It's resonably small, can transfer at speeds up to at least 40Gbps (Thunderbolt 3), supports displayport and provide enough power for charging most laptops as well. The first desktop monitors with USB Type C has arrived which means you can simply connect your laptop with USB Type C (the Macbook was the first) to the monitor and have it charge your laptop while using it as an external display. Smartphones are starting to switch to this standard too. There's of course the ugly part: Apple IOS devices, it would be great if they switched too.
I love this XKCD comic about standards: https://xkcd.com/927/ (and for those who aren't aware, there's extra info in the mouse-overs on XKCD comics)
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For all the non IT-holics, non technical educated, non readers of 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' , all whatsoever people who like to decipher these great comics, please proceed here (https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/927:_Standards).
Why is there no standard bayonet to attach whatever lens we want to use to any camera?
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Nikon D5 is reported to have an eyepoint of 17mm which is 1 mm (CORRECTED) less than the D4S
Also detected a new Exposure metering method the "Highlight-Weighted Metering Mode"
Funny enough I then found out that the D810 and D750 are already equipped with that feature. Proves me again that I was deeply off-photography and new techologies for a while ;-)
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Nikon D5 is reported to have an eyepoint of 17mm which is 1 mm left
True, but the Df has 15mm and it works great. I think the ocular design and how recessed it is affects how well one can see the corners with glasses on and eyepoint alone does not tell the whole story.
I do find the D750 with 21mm eyepoint significantly easier to use than the D810 with 17mm. But I have acquired glasses which are very flexible and I can make do with 17mm, though I would like more.
Also detected a new Exposure metering method the "Highlight-Weighted Metering Mode"
I think it works quite well but I tend to forget to return it to regular matrix when I'm no longer needing it, and then exposure chaos results. I try to keep the camera as much as possible in the same mode always (though I do switch between manual and aperture priority).
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The bezel design and depth of the ocular needs to be taken into consideration when eye point distances are compared. Most people on the 'net forgot this when the description of the Nikon Df was published thus arriving at entirely false conclusions.
I used the D5 and found the finder bright and easy to observe even with my glasses on. Quite similar to the Df experience in fact.
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Ole J. Liodden has an interesting report of his beta-testing of the D5 on wildlife in the arctic. The D5 looks like an impressive camera!
http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/ (http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/)
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I was and am aware that a simple number (expressing one dimension) does not tell the whole story, and not replace experience. Good that D5s viewer is found to be useful asides parameter-picking
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... has to be eyepoint 1 mm less than D4s (not "left" - must have been very tired)- sorry
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Ole J. Liodden has an interesting report of his beta-testing of the D5 on wildlife in the arctic. The D5 looks like an impressive camera!
http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/ (http://oleliodden.com/photo-gear/field-reviews/beta-test-report-nikon-d5/)
Thank you for the link. Mouth watering stuff. AF and HighISO is
what I really use. I am also interested in AF performance with fast
primes like the 1.4 and 1.8 series I really love.
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I just recognized that Nikon Switzerland offers both versions, the CF configuration approx. USD 150.- more expensive
I found both the CR & XQD are the same price here from Switzerland's Digitec @ CHF6999 ;)
CF- https://www.digitec.ch/EN/s1/product/nikon-d5-body-cf-2133mp-fotokamera-5674933
XQD- https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/nikon-d5-body-xqd-2133mp-fotokamera-5671668?tagIds=520
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Here's a little ISO 12800 "comparison" between the Df and the D5. Bear in mind that these are just snaps of the cameras' screen with the D5 showing off its 2x pixels compared to the Df. Despite that it is quite clear to me that the jpegs from the D5 are better.
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Here at ISO equivalent 204800...
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Sten, many thanks for sharing.
So we know, the D5 "is" better. Good. Which triggers the next question, where the improvement is coming from? (The screen usually displays the JPEG file, or the JPEG part of the NEF file)
a) mostly from the sensor
b) mostly from the more sophisticated image algorithms of the EXPEED 5 branded CPU (which might have much more power)
c) a combination of both - most likely, but is (a) or (b) the bigger contributor ?
questions, questions, questions :)
thanks again,
Andy
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Very appropriate questions Andreas.
Ad a: My guess is that the sensor and its read out pipeline contributes (there is less empty space between the sensels).
Ad b: The D5 (and D4s) has a built in "3D noise reduction" (kind of like the mask option in adobe camera raw) which may contribute.
Ad c: I hope a is the bigger contributor.
"A back of the envelope calculation" in my head says the D5 is somewhere between 0.5-1 stop better in the jpeg department. Raw files are still unavailable (even the promotional pros (Dixie, Ole Jørgen, etc) had only jpegs at their disposal. My hope is that the leap in raw files is 1/2-2/3's of a stop better. That makes me optimistic that the D500 may be very close to the Df/D750 in the ISO 4000-10000 range.
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Another tech thing about the D5/D500's MultiCAM 20k: There is a better noise filter on the sensor enabling the AF unit to work with less distractive noise in its phase detection process.
Quiet mode operation is just like the D4 series. The double touch to zoom to 100% is a really nice feature. I didn't like the somewhat cramped space when trying to operate the 3 buttons between the bayonet and the handgrip. Ripping away at 12fps...oh yeah ;D
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Today I went to Nikon service in Shinjuku, Tokyo where both D5 and D500 were on display. I played around with it. What I noticed was that the live view is noticeably improved over that of D4, the time lag is short enough to focus manually without being frustrated. The shutter responce was also noticeably better. The live view of D500 was also improved over D7200, but not as dramatically as on D5.
D5 was slightly larger than D4/4S (about 5mm taller and a few milimeters wider than D4/4S). D500 was roughly as large as D300.
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I didn't like the somewhat cramped space when trying to operate the 3 buttons between the bayonet and the handgrip.
Funny, I drooled when I saw those three buttons. Mine are currently occupied by VF gridlines/level and non-cpu lens selector, really wish I had a third button for DOF preview!
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D5 (red) vs. 1DXMkII (grey) AF point spread:
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What's the deal with focus point spreads and why they are so centrally concentrated?
What is keeping the camera manufacturers from moving them closer to the edges of the frame?
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What's the deal with focus point spreads and why they are so centrally concentrated?
What is keeping the camera manufacturers from moving them closer to the edges of the frame?
The lack of spread has to do with physical constraints. Optics, mirrors, etc.
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With a whole bunch of nice Nikkors around I am not that interested in the 1D X mark II. But just a quick look revealed a few interesting things:
It has GPS built-in; under a "plastic" cover atop the pentaprism housing.
It is significantly cheaper than the D5 over here, 6399 Euro for the 1D X mark II vs 7109 Euro for the D5 >:(
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Nikon Nederland | Nikon D5 | INSPIRED Behind the scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEkuJ0Ys8Qw
rgds, Andy
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I thoroughly enjoyed the video Andy. Thank you for sharing it.
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Nikon Nederland | Nikon D5 | INSPIRED Behind the scenes
Thanks for posting, taking a water plane into bear country is very high on my bucket list, hopefully one day it will materialise.
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Very well produced video! I love the floating 'bean bag' :D
Some very nice long glass ;)
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If i could afford would seriously consider the D5 as my backup camera ;D
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played with the D5, but currently have no need for it since the D4 is still a pretty good camera considering it's age :o :o :o
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Any hands on reviews?
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Any hands on reviews?
No.
Only an info, that Amazon will start shipping on March 24th
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/02/12/amazon-changed-the-nikon-d5-shipping-date-to-march-24th.aspx/
rgds, Andy
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i may just wait for the D5s
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D5S is a good idea!
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For those who are interested to see the performance difference between the different Lexar XQD cards in a D5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEUeRqA41E8
rgds, Andy
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Thanks.
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183 D5 images. The download is 2,5 GB
https://www.flickr.com/photos/engadgetchinese/sets/72157664383797109
rgds,
Andy
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0467323998/cp-2016-features-you-need-to-know-about-on-the-nikon-d5-d500?slide=2
rgds,
Andy
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Hi Bjorn Rorslett,
Any thoughts on the D5 yet?
I'd like to know about image quality, not auto focus.
Have you been testing it?
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images from ISO 50 to ISO 3 mio
http://article.dcview.com/newreadarticle.php?type=7&id=12744
rgds,
Andy
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The AF performance with Pro Zooms seems to be very convincing.
What I like to test myself is the AF performance with fast primes which lacked significnaltly behind in past Camera Generations.
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The Nikkor f/1.4 AFS primes are all by design kept with low AFS speed, the reason is AF accuracy due to the slim DOF and the chosen AFS motor with a gearbox, rater then a circular AFS motor.
Same 'feature' is build into the AFS teleconverters TC-20E AFS III for instance - A quick 'hack' for this is to disable the last pin on the teleconverter that will speed up things :D but only usable in good light and good AF targets, otherwise the camera will miss the target and continue to hunt for it... This hack is ideal for the 'glass-less' AFS Extension tube I have mentioned earlier,,, A TC-20E AF- I relived from its glass inners,,,
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I had a chance to play with the D5 at a local photography expo on Saturday and there was not much of a crowd so I could try various things out. It had the 300/4 PF mounted and I tried various autofocus settings.
The cross type sensor points now extend to a large area of the frame and autofocus works extremely well even with the outer areas of the frame, close to the end of the long axis. This is very important to me since I often make full body or half body images of people in vertical orientation and I need to focus on the face. With Multi-CAM 3500 cameras this is a somewhat compromised proposition as the linear points don't pick on facial detail very reliably (unless there is a beard) and so often it is the hair that is focused on, or the focus is off. I've put up with this for many years because there wasn't anything better available from Nikon. Now the focus points extend further along the long axis of the frame so I can position the face close to the top and as the focus using a single point is snappy and reliable. Also tracking works well. I tried multipoint whizbang modes as well where you just point the camera at something, it'll find the face and keep it in focus while the subject is moving towards the camera or to other areas of the frame. This was very impressive, but I suspect I will stick with single point and group AF for the most part, out of habit. ;)
The viewfinder ease of use with glasses is "okay" but not as good as the D3X (in my opinion). It is a bit easier to use than the D810 viewfinder because of the recessed ocular so there is no need to press one's nose against the camera. But I would like to see greater eyepoint. I'm disappointed that they didn't make the whole viewfinder interchangeable with more eyeglass friendly options available. Today I find the D750's viewfinder the easiest to use (especially if taking the rubber eyecup out) of the FX models, but it is not my favorite body in other ways (too small for my hands). I think the D5 will be ok to use with glasses on but I would prefer if they improved this aspect instead of starting out with the best eyepoint in the F3HP and gradually making things more difficult for this not very small minority of users.
The D5 is fairly loud, so it's probably not the best choice for quiet classical concerts indoors, but it's to be expected because of the 12fps capability. High speed continuous capture at 12fps seemed to work well and AF seemed to be doing its job for the needs of an f/4 telephoto anyway. I will have to test this further to see how it works at wider apertures when tracking approaching subjects. I'm very happy with the AF sensor's extended area of coverage along the long axis - this will be a huge help e.g. when capturing athletes if I want best focus to be on the face instead of their torso.
I also tried the D500 and its 10fps continuous capture mode seemed to be quieter than that of the D5, which is understandable given the smaller shutter and mirror, and lower maximum fps rate. 10fps seemed very fast also. I really liked the ergonomics of the D500 and it seemed to have a much better body shape design than the D7100 which is the DX camera I've used last. But I've got big hands and long fingers so it may have something to do with my opinion. I felt Nikon had really gone all out on the design of the D500, so I'm not surprised if it will be very popular.
I think the camera that could benefit the most from the new AF system is the D810's successor, so I would expect Nikon to announce one later this year. With a high resolution sensor, the added AF reliability is even more important than with a moderate resolution action camera IMO (not saying it's not important in the D5 or D500; it is). However, while I recognize and love the D810's image quality I'm so fed up with the large files (I shoot a lot of frames when photographing people and events, one reason for this is to get added confidence of some frames in focus; maybe with the next gen AF it will not be necessary) that I'm not really looking towards that camera be it called D820 or something else. I fear they may increase the file size even higher than it is now. While the liberal cropping possibilities (frame loose, shoot, tighten precisely in post) of the D810 are useful, I still need something that makes editing large numbers of shots faster for everyday people/event photography.
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Thanks Ilkka, nice write up! I didn't notice any difference to the D10 finder probably because I don't use glasses.
I agree the larger spread of cross points is indeed useful but I often find that I anyway crop a lot of the top of images of people in portrait/vertical mode ;)
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Ilkka: A very helpful report! Thank you very much.
Did you also testdrive the two silent modes? Are these compatible with low noise venues?
Great news about the AF-Point-Distribution and the D500 ergonomics.
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I did try the quiet mode setting on the drive mode dial. It still felt loud compared to the D810 but I did not try side by side or measure it. I don't much care for quiet modes since they alter the delay between shutter button press and shutter opening. I do realize that by using this mode regularly one can adapt one's timing to the increased delay. I try to keep this delay constant in so far as possible.
In conjunction with live view, the D5 reportedly has a silent mode which should be ... well, silent since there is no mirror or shutter operation between shots (if I understood its operation correctly, it uses electronic shutter). However I did not remember to try this feature (nor would I have known how to activate it). Of course, there is no viewfinder in such a mode. I think probably this is the best approach in quiet concerts but it requires a more planned approach where you focus in advance and I think it would work best if the camera is on a tripod so that the distance doesn't change due to camera movement. I will get a closer look at this when I have a chance. I also don't know what the shutter delay is in this mode.
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Thank you again. Yes. live view & tripot & permanent mirror up should be fine. In the D600 there is still a lot of mirror flapping between shots.
"View finder" should be the Display on the back in this case or some larger tethered display...
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For those who still need to get some additional XQD cards.
B&H photo is currently offering the 2933x XQD cards from Lexar for 50% off.
100$ for the 64 GB version,
160$ for the 128GB version
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I've ordered 2x 128 GB cards and including shipping and taxes, it is approx 450 $ (415 Euro). This is below the current European price for one card.
rgds,
Andy
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I just checked the price for one 64GB card plus card reader and it was
235 USD incl duties taxed s&h...
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Now is not a good time to buy XQD cards as if the D500 is a success the prices of the cards will fall to a fraction of what they are now. Only buy what you know you will need in the short term.
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So the shutter is noisy? Having a D5 on preorder, I had been hoping the shutter would be much more quiet than that of the noisy D3s, which tends to scare away wildlife. :-\
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I do not have experience with the D3s. The mirror has to move faster in the D5 so the sound is a bit higher pitch. I don't know if it is more distractive than the D3s. I only can say that the D810 has a softer and quieter sound than the D5 in my perception but no measurements were made.
I think maybe if the sound is a problem, consider using the silent mode of the D5, a D810 or the D500. My living subjects are people and I find the D810 advantageous because of its relative quietness but the difference in sound would not stop me from using the D5 when it is advantageous to do so.
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My perception of the shutter of the D5 is the sound is confident, contained, and not very loud. There is a short 'clack' that dies away almost instantly. The D3S is noisier. However, in either case if the shooting rate increases, so does accompanying noise.
Why not use a blimp if you are in a hide and don't want to frighten the animals off?
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I understand that the mirror speeds goes up with the fps but it would be nice if Nikon can make this a little more dynamic, as in using less force to work the mirror when slower fps rates are used.
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My perception of the shutter of the D5 is the sound is confident, contained, and not very loud. There is a short 'clack' that dies away almost instantly. The D3S is noisier. However, in either case if the shooting rate increases, so does accompanying noise.
Why not use a blimp if you are in a hide and don't want to frighten the animals off?
Using a sound blimp could be a good idea. As they seem to be rather expensive (about $1000 as far as I can tell), one might try to build one at home.
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I understand that the mirror speeds goes up with the fps but it would be nice if Nikon can make this a little more dynamic, as in using less force to work the mirror when slower fps rates are used.
The mirror down time is used by autofocus and viewing. If a slow-mirror mode (i.e. quiet mode) is used then the AF sensor is blinded for this extra period when the mirror is moving at a slower pace. Thus by the time the shutter opens, the AF will have been in the dark for a longer time and the focus may be less precise if the subject movement is not fully predictable than if normal mode had been used where the mirror moves faster and the AF sensor info is more recent by the time the shutter opens.
Instead of a single crisp sound, in the quiet mode you get a quieter sequence of sounds, which are quite audible to the photographer but may be below the threshold of detection by living things further away. My main issue with quiet mode is that there is an increased shutter delay and I can't easily accommodate that in my photography of people; timing is too crucial.
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I wasn't talking about quiet mode :)
Slower fps cameras tend to be quieter because there's less mirror violence going on internally, would be nice if a D5 can tone back to those levels of fps and lower noise levels without resorting to quiet mode which isn't meant for semi high fps use if I'm not mistaken (been without a Nikon for a while now ;) ).
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I've tried the quiet mode of various Nikon bodies but don't think they make sense. To my ears, the noisiest sound comes from the shutter curtains and not from the mirror. The shutter noise contains more of high frequencies which is the noisiest portion of the whole sound when the shutter is released. So, slowing down the mirror in the quiet mode doesn't really reduce the noise.
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Thats certainly true for the original a7R, it didn't have a mirror but also no electronic first curtain, the shutter curtains alone were louder than my D800E in normal mode :o :o :o
I remember Erik making CLACK CLACK jokes when shooting around him ;D ;D
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What makes the situation worse is the quiet single shot mode ("Q" position) which separates the mirror up/shutter actuation stage and the mirror down stage. So, the "Q" position makes two separate CLACKs! :o :o :o
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I like the noise of the shutter as not only I have been used to it long ago...............But it does help coordinate visual and audible senses when shooting in cont mode speed and even in single mode as it is an audible confirmation to anticipate the shot or to confirm the shot
In many instances when shooting in darkness you can tell whether you are falling low on the shutter speed simply by hearing as too busy concentrating on the shot and not the camera settings. Add to that, when you are shooting in tandem with another photographer, you can hear his shutter and hence you know that you are covered if you missed the shot and you know if he is in cont mode or single mode.......It all adds up to the shoot.
I would not want a silent shutter and have no need for it. It will just throw me off balance........
I do not shoot in silent locations and when I do, it is probably with a longish lens far from the action and they cannot hear the camera, only the people close to you can hear it. I also do not shoot wildlife so no problem in disturbing or ruining the shot.
Political correctness with your shutter noise or securing the shot?
Your camera, your photographs, your choice
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........But it does help coordinate visual and audible senses when shooting in cont mode speed and even in single mode as it is an audible confirmation to anticipate the shot or to confirm the shot
never thought of it that way - and actually I also rely on the sound. good point.
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Personally I don't dislike the shutter sound. Rather I like the shutter sounds of Nikon cameras in general better than those of other brands. Basically I feel the same way as Almass does.
I just don't think that Q mode makes as much sense as the designers intended.
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Thats why I also don't use silent mode on the Sony's by default, but I do use the electronic first curtain which gives me nice damped mechanical shutter sound :)
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I wasn't talking about quiet mode :)
Quiet mode specfically slows down the components of the release cycle (mirror up, aperture closing, shutter open, shutter closed, aperture open, mirror down) so you get less intense sound but the "dead time" of the AF system between shots increases, thus your continuous focusing on moving subjects works less well. In my opinion, impairing the AF performance of an action camera to reduce the sound intensity doesn't make sense, unless it is for a specific situation (such as a concert) where AF tracking performance is less critical since the subject moves less fast, and for this situation they offer the quiet and silent modes.
If I use a smaller than maximum but still continuous fps rate in a fast camera, I do it precisely for one reason and one reason only: to get better a higher AF keeper rate, by giving the AF system more time between shots to do its thing. Slowing down the release cycle would counter this goal. I am normally a single shot shooter, and one of the reasons I never liked high fps on the D3 was that it couldn't really keep the focus on the subject in an approaching subject scenario at a wide aperture, if I used 9fps. By using a lower 5fps or 7fps rate the rate of success increased a lot, and this is because the AF system had enough time with the mirror down between shots, to keep the AF sufficiently on the target. I believe the AF system continues to focus even while the mirror is up but it gets no data on the subject distance so it basically is operating under the assumption that the movement is constant velocity or the acceleration is constant. If the movement changes velocity in an unpredictable way then the way to improve AF results is to speed up the mirror movement so that the mirror up time is as short as possible. Shorter mirror up time is one thing I recall Nikon advertised for the D4s already, so I have high hopes the D5 will be similar or better. I'm much more interested in the AF performance than high fps rate actually, as I prefer to time my shots manually except in unusual circumstances.
In a camera like the D810 the camera can be quieter because the main intended application is not fast action (but the highest resolution and image quality at low to mid ISO), so they emphasized low vibrations in the design, and the side effect of that is quieter operation. I suppose they could put in a semi-quiet mode in the D5 where things are slowed down a bit (not as much as in quiet mode) but then it would be really difficult for photographers to adopt to the effects of the changing settings depending on fps rate selected. I think most sports photographers would primarily elect to get the best AF rather than ever so slightly quieter operation. For wildlife photographers the D500 may be the better choice as the mirror and shutter are smaller and you get more pixels on the subject with the same lens. The D500 felt very impressive in the hand and the release cycle is quieter so perhaps it's the better choice for daytime wildlife photographers. DX is quite elegant for telephoto work in my opinion.
In a hide I would expect that using a blimp would be possible, with the lens on tripod. This would probably be a less distractive approach to the animals than shooting in the open in any case.
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Would it help to use liveview and electronic first shutter curtain? That would however limit the AF to contrast detection.
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The D500 only allows the use of the electronic front curtain in MUP mode, not sure if the MUP mode on the D5 / D500 still involves any mirror movements. Would be nice to shoot these cameras as a mirrorless camera when needed.
Electronic front-curtain shutter minimizes internal mechanical vibrations
When you want to reduce camera blur as much as possible, for instance when shooting landscapes or astrophotography with a telephoto lens, the electronic front-curtain shutter (only selectable in MUP mode) can be used to minimize mechanical vibration. By making the camera’s image sensor act as the front curtain of the focal-plane shutter, the camera eliminates vibrations caused by movement of the mechanical front curtain. Used in live view photography, where there is also no reflex mirror movement, the benefits are even more noticeable.
Note: When using the electronic front-curtain shutter, the fastest shutter speed available is 1/2000 s, and the highest sensitivity available is ISO 51200.
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OSPDAF, EFCS and an attachable EVF or a hybrid EVF/OVF would have done trick.
I interpret the text to maybe say that EFCS is available in liveview mode as well. I think Nikon got rid of the mirror up and down cycle in the LV mode of the D800. If memory serves both the D300 and D700 were plagued by this.
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EFCS should be available in LV mode but is probably tied to M-UP drive mode (as in the D810), requiring two presses of the remote. I think Nikon is trying to make EFCS use very deliberate as it can apparently cause some issues so the default is the fully mechanical shutter. Nikon reports uneven exposure with fast shutter speeds using PC-E lenses with EFCS active and movements applied. I haven't noticed these but I haven't been looking for the effect, either. Also it may cause rolling shutter effects.
However EFCS is not by itself silent, there is the sound of the rear curtain closing. A silent mode (to be truly silent) would require keeping the aperture in the stopped down position and a fully electronic shutter. It will be interesting to see what Nikon has come up with. With live view, there may be some additional delays (paradoxically enough). The D800 was super slow to recover from a shot made in LV mode as it wrote everything to card before another shot could be taken. The D810 and D750 do not have this problem, they can do continous high speed in LV mode thankfully.
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My understanding is that with the D810, Nikon went to a mirror driven by stepper motor, which contributed to the reduction of vibration and noise. Canon also is using motors in their newest 5D iterations, so may we assume that the new Nikons (D5, D500) also use the new, quieter mechanism?
FYI: For photographers that shoot on film and TV sets, while the action is being recorded/transmitted, using a blimp has been a way of life for many decades.
That's changing now, with increasing numbers of unit photographers using Sony A7 or Fujifilm XT-1 cams, and employing full electronic shutter for those periods where absolute silence(noise below the ability of the audio equipment to record) is required.
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The full electronic shutter of the mirrorless cameras are indeed perfectly silent, but this is only when the lens is used wide open or with the adapted manual focus lenses. The actuation of the aperture makes audible noise in a very quiet situation. I don't know this can be tolerated in the film and/or broadcast industries, but the genuine lenses do make noises, ironically.
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The full electronic shutter of the mirrorless cameras are indeed perfectly silent, but this is only when the lens is used wide open or with the adapted manual focus lenses. The actuation of the aperture makes audible noise in a very quiet situation. I don't know this can be tolerated in the film and/or broadcast industries, but the genuine lenses do make noises, ironically.
Zeiss Loxia E mount lenses offers de-clickable aperture with stopped down metering, so they will be perfectly silent. In practice some lenses will be inaudible and some not, so a case by case testing may be required to determine suitability of lenses with electromagnetically controlled aperture. Olympus claims that they have "MSC", movie and stills compatible lenses.
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I used M Zuiko 25/1.8 on E-M5 MkII. It made a quite pronounced aperture noise. Panasonic 25/1.7 made similar sound. Apparently Panasonic cameras move the aperture whenever necessary in order to adjust the brightness of the live view image, which also made small click noises.
I only used 16/2.8, Zeiss 24/1.8 and 16-50 kit zoom among the genuine E mount lenses. I don't remember if their aperture made audible noise. However, the focusing of 24/1.8 and zooming of kit zoom made, although not that loud, quite unsophisticated mechanical noise. The same went with RX1R in this regard.
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Quiet mode specfically slows down the components of the release cycle ...
Does quiet mode also reduce the amount of camera shake? I wonder if it might be useful for hand-held shooting when VR is not available or desirable.
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It does reduce the mirror slap to some extent.
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With MUP or Live View in combination with the electronic first curtain there's no mechanical movement before an image is taken, a real boon with long lenses and slow shutter speeds.
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With MUP or Live View in combination with the electronic first curtain there's no mechanical movement before an image is taken, a real boon with long lenses and slow shutter speeds.
Yes, I would use the live view (even if the electronic first curtain is not available) rather than Q mode, because the critical focusing in the magnified live view will be necessary in such cases.
Also, an IR remote is very handy in such cases. I wonder why Nikon has eliminated such a handy and trouble-free solution (unlike wifi) from the high-end models and Nikon 1 series.
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The optical remote is really imprecise in timing; I tested them when I needed to synchronize firing several cameras and the IR was terrible, there was a long random delay. The electrical remote offers precise timing.
I now use the WR-10 which offers remote firing of one or several cameras by radio. It can also be used to control flashes in Nikon's new radio based flash system.
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The full electronic shutter of the mirrorless cameras are indeed perfectly silent, but this is only when the lens is used wide open or with the adapted manual focus lenses. The actuation of the aperture makes audible noise in a very quiet situation. I don't know this can be tolerated in the film and/or broadcast industries, but the genuine lenses do make noises, ironically.
My witness says that the aperture actuation noise is usually not an issue in film and TV settings.
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How many of you are actually looking forward to upgrade to the D5? Personally I am still a happy owner of the original D3... never had a justifiable reason to upgrade.
Said that I am looking forward to see what Nikon will come up with!
I also am sill plugging along with my D3--my second Nikon DSLR (earlier was my D2X) and as I learn about nikonvrnturing into video capabilities in these newer cameras my interest is less. I have no interest in anything video. For that, I will use a dedicated video camera--not a DSLR turned into something else.
Not too impressed with several of the comments about the D5. If I need to step up I would only go to a D4S, if that.
Sadly, I like the features of the top of the line Nikons, like mirror lock up, and enhanced ISO sensitivity, and being able to dial in a non-chipped Nikkor into the EXIF file. Maybe would consider the D810 but stills now very little about them so far.
Have not even seen comments within this forum about the D810.
Anyone?
Dan
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I have no interest in anything video. For that, I will use a dedicated video camera--not a DSLR turned into something else.
Right...DSLRs make pretty awful cinema or television cameras, from a handling and operability standpoint. They make good suicide cameras...strapped onto the sides of crashing cars, etc. Better to destroy a $3000 thing than a $300,000 thing.
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...."Not too impressed with several of the comments about the D5. If I need to step up I would only go to a D4S, if that."...
I have a D5 since last March; before I had a D4s to my entire satisfaction. I must say that the negative comments with regard to low dynamics at low ISO puzzled me. I decided to make a serie of landscape pictures at ISO 100 and high dynamics (alpine pictures with snow etc), which convinced me that it was a non issue in real life, at least with the sort of pictures I'm taking. The main purpose being action / sports photography: I can say the AF of the D5 is better than the one of the already perfect D4s; high ISO > 10'000 is not forbidden territory anymore.
Conclusion: yes the D5 is another major improvement; but the D4s is still a perfect camera; the only reason I changed, was to have "the latest one" ;)
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Landscape with a D5 & 300mm f/2.8 VRII
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D5 & 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 @ 85mm f/8
and two pictures in the D5's field of expertise: sports / marathon:
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D5 & 300mm f/2.8 VRII