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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #540 on: October 06, 2018, 13:16:38 »
Michael, could you please post an image of the presumed l-plate issue as I don't understand the problem.
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #541 on: October 06, 2018, 14:28:32 »
Disassembly of the Z7 at Kolarivision:

https://kolarivision.com/nikon-z7-dissasembly-teardown/
They don't waste time ;)The most interesting thing here apart from design and build quality is this quote:
Another unique aspect: the cover glass of the Z7’s sensor is about half a thick as the Sony’s, coming in at 1.1mm. This means the Nikon will have better performance with adapter lenses right out of the box. However, with our ultra-thin conversion measuring down to 0.2mm, the camera will still benefit a great deal from a modification service if you’re a Leica lens (or other legacy glass) enthusiast.
Which sound promising indeed! Cool  8)
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #542 on: October 06, 2018, 16:41:52 »
Disassembly of the Z7 at Kolarivision:

https://kolarivision.com/nikon-z7-dissasembly-teardown/


interesting read. thank you for sharing, Eddie!!
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #543 on: October 06, 2018, 18:35:45 »
I am not clear how/where I turn on or off the stabilization system. I can't seem to find how in the handbook? Where is it please.
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #544 on: October 06, 2018, 18:41:04 »
I am not clear how/where I turn on or off the stabilization system. I can't seem to find how in the handbook? Where is it please.

menu -> photo shooting menu  -> vibration reduction

i assigned it to a slot on the i menu, so i iht i and tap the wiggly hand onscreen.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #545 on: October 06, 2018, 20:14:03 »
menu -> photo shooting menu  -> vibration reduction

i assigned it to a slot on the i menu, so i iht i and tap the wiggly hand onscreen.

Thanks. That did it. I was looking for something about axes or something. LOL.
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #546 on: October 06, 2018, 21:25:09 »
The reviews of the Nikon Z7 as regards image quality seem to finding the IQ a little less that what we find in the D850. This may well be true, but so far, for the kind of work I do, I can’t see a problem and I like to shoot at base ISO 64 and value blacks and shadows more than most.

Here is stacked image (like I am prone to) taken with the Nikon Z7 with the FTZ adaptor on it, using the APO El Nikkor 105 f/5.6, one of my favorites. This was taken on the Campo Actus-mini in vertical mode. In this case the FTZ adaptor adds a lot more extension to the Actus, but it does not matter. I have on order a mount that will be minimal, which will give me more focusing range than I can get with the D850. Yet, who knows when that will be released.

As mentioned, I can’t see anything that would make me nervous. It may well be there, but perhaps for astronomical or special situations, which I have few occasions to have.

For me, a feature I like in the Z7 is its size. I am already planning to build a little kit for road travel with one of my little Nanuck hard cases. My only question is how much I want to bring for the Z7 videos, like interviews and 4K 4-2-2 video  exported to the Atomos Shogun Inferno. Maybe two cases.

This is a test shot, not retouched much. Sloppy, but just want to look for problems.
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #547 on: October 06, 2018, 23:19:22 »
Not sure what to comment on when you state that the image is sloppy done and you're looking for problems  ;D


Looking forward to your usual standard and the in camera stacking evaluation  8)
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #548 on: October 07, 2018, 00:31:27 »
Not sure what to comment on when you state that the image is sloppy done and you're looking for problems  ;D


Looking forward to your usual standard and the in camera stacking evaluation  8)

I was looking for deal-breakers for my work, before I pass the date where I have to send it back. However, things look good and there are pluses for me.

I might actually use the EVF, which i have never used on the D810 and the D850.

It will get me more room on the view-cameras because the Nikon D850 (in my case) requires a small extension ring to rotate from the horizontal to vertical and the Z7 does not.

Lighter, smaller, yet still highly functional.

I like the XQD and have never had a failure in my D850 of the card.

The image I posted was 44 layers and needed some retouching I did not do because I was just looking for how it handled black and shadows. There are other images, but no problem there either.

they may well find flaws with the sensor and banding, etc., but so far this does not seem to be something I will run into. Almost all my photos are exactly shot with perfect histograms for what I do. Anyway, I still have the D850 and have no interest in selling it. These are two different cameras. However, I also still have the D810, but have not sold it because it has way too many actuations.

And the wildcard for me is will I pack this little thing and take it on the road. I just might.





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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #549 on: October 07, 2018, 01:20:38 »
However, I also still have the D810, but have not sold it because it has way too many actuations.

How many is "too many"? There could be interest in that 810.   ;)
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #550 on: October 07, 2018, 04:31:36 »
....However, I also still have the D810, but have not sold it because it has way too many actuations.

i took the arrival of the Z7 as an opportunity to clean house, selling the D500, D810, X-E2, a couple Nikon 1 bodies, and couple each Nikon 1 and Fuji X lenses! it feels good to clean house and arrive at just three cameras: the iphone XS max, the Z7, and the D850.

surprisingly my 810 with many actuations yielded an excellent price. bodies depreciate more than lenses, but not terribly so in the first 3-5 years it seems.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #551 on: October 07, 2018, 14:27:34 »
Birna;Look no further!....


3 Legged Thing has the worlds first L brackets for Z6/Z7.

I spoke with this company and their L-Plate will accommodate the FTZ adapter.
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #552 on: October 09, 2018, 17:34:37 »
UPDATE on the Nikon Z7 for my particular use.

I like the Nikon Z7, but like all things, using it for a while brings with it some realizations, which I want to comment on here.

I have the Nikon Z7, the FTZ adapter, and the 24-70 f/4 native lens. Please note that the kind of work that I do requires a lot of precision and great lenses.

Using the Nikon Z7 with its own 24-70 f/4 lens is fine for general snapshots and perhaps even some more semi-serious work. However, I find, while the 24-70 is sharp-ish, it is not sharp like the lenses I am used to (Otus, APO, etc.). I am sure it was not intended to be that sharp. It seems well-enough corrected IMO, but the sharpness is not quite what I require. This, of course, is disappointing, but I pretty-much knew this coming in. Of course, I hoped for a miracle. LOL.

On the other hand, using the FTZ adapter I have access to many APO lenses i have collected, including the set of Otus lenses plus the Otus-like 135 Zeiss that presaged the series. They work great as they always did!

I am hurting for lack of a proper L-Bracket and have had to use the Arca C1 Cube for vertical/profile shots, which means leaning it 90-degrees from horizontal, which works but is not what I like to use. So, I might as well use my D850 for which I have a great RSS L-Bracket.

Things I especially like about the Z7 are the EVF, which I find myself using more and more. With the D810 and D850, I never used the OVF, preferring to work on the back-LCD. But the Z7 EVF is really amazing and you can magnify it, which of course the older OVF cameras could not do.

So, I am keeping the Nikon Z7, waiting for an L-Bracket that will accommodate the FTZ adapter. However, and this is a big “however,” unless Nikon releases APO/Otus level lenses for the Nikon Z7, I will be using the Z7 with the FTZ adapter for most of my work.

For family photos, casual walk-around work, and perhaps for semi-serious work, I could use the Z7 with the native 24-70 f/4 lens. But, when I ask myself, I might just as well use the better lenses any time I do serious photography. They are just so much better.

You get the idea. The Z7 for not-so-sharp work with native lenses, but the Z7 + FTZ adapter for my regular work. And, to repeat, if I am mounting the huge Zeiss Otus lenses, I might just as well use the Nikon D840 for the added support.

However, I find that I will definitely be using the Z7 on my view camera, the Cambo Actus Mini. It is perfect there and when I get a Z7-Bayonet for the Actus, I will be able to get even more focus range from my exotic lenses, which I very much need.

In summary, I love the Z7, but without the FTZ adapter I am limited in what I can do with it. As Otus-level lenses come along native to the Z7, this will be much different. I would love an APO lens for this mirrorless camera!
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #553 on: October 09, 2018, 18:04:35 »
I have no intension of ever becoming a Z6/7 owner, but I do have an abiding interest in Nikon gear, and I wonder how long it will be before the "NEW" is dropped in discussion forums and it simply becomes the Nikon Z system or the Nikon mirrorless system. :)

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #554 on: October 09, 2018, 18:20:44 »
...  I wonder how long it will be before the "NEW" is dropped in discussion forums and it simply becomes the Nikon Z system or the Nikon mirrorless system. :)

A matter of months, I'd guess. The Z system seems to gain wide acceptance by the users.