The new Nikon mirrorless system

[pluton]

Just been to a one on one hands on review...

...WOULD NOT WORK WITH THE SAMYANG 14MM MANUAL FOCUS...

...So better than expected.

Thanks for your impressions.  In what sense does it not work with a fully manual focus, AiS-equivalent(?) lens?

[Pistnbroke]

With the 14mm Samyang and the Tamron 100-400  it just flashes error, The Tamron works perfect with the other D7200/800/810  as does the Samyang.

By better than expected I mean better than the u tubers are saying

[gryphon1911]

Is it possible that there is a menu option in camera that needs to be set for full manual lenses?  I know on the Df, you need to setup the manual focus lenses as either AI or non-CPU for it to meter correctly.

[MILLIREHM]

Is it possible that there is a menu option in camera that needs to be set for full manual lenses?  I know on the Df, you need to setup the manual focus lenses as either AI or non-CPU for it to meter correctly.

I expect the ZX to have a menu for (still just 9) setups saving focal length and speed of a non CPU lens. A separation between AI/Non AI does make sense for the Df as it has an AI-aperture coupling lever that can be switched away allowing Non CPU lenses to be used. The FTZ can take both (as the low level Nikon D bodies). As the AI coupling is missing distinguishing between AI and Non AI lenses (without CPU) does not make sense as they have to be treated the same.

[Bjørn Rørslett]

With the 14mm Samyang and the Tamron 100-400  it just flashes error, The Tamron works perfect with the other D7200/800/810  as does the Samyang.

One needs to lock the lens to the minimum aperture otherwise the FEE occurs. I tried a number of lenses on the Z6/7 via the FTZ adapter and all cases of flashing errors were solved simply by setting the lens correctly.

[Dlighter]

As expected the foolography Unleashed GPS Bluetooth dongle does work with the Z7. Also in combination with the Unleashed my Bad Elf GPS logger can be used as Bluetooth remote control. (AF +trigger)

[gryphon1911]

One needs to lock the lens to the minimum aperture otherwise the FEE occurs. I tried a number of lenses on the Z6/7 via the FTZ adapter and all cases of flashing errors were solved simply by setting the lens correctly.

Just to clarify my understanding, is this with chipped lenses that this needs to be at smallest aperture or unchipped?

With the dumb adapter and my Olympus PEN-F, the camera uses the available light coming through the iris of the lens and adjusts the shutter and ISO accordingly.  The EXIF always reports the widest aperture, so a my Nikon 105mm f/2.5 always shows the aperture as f/2.5...and I'm Ok with that because the lens is usable and the camera can figure out the exposure.  I'm hoping the Z6/Z7 can do something similar.

[chambeshi]

We are seeing the first results using the Nikon Z7 in the field >>

This detailed feedback by Marcus van Oosten, who tested 2 prototypes of the Nikon Z7 in Madagascar. Some will remember his Hercules Rising promotion last year for the D850

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/09/07/nikon-z7-field-report-by-marsel-van-oosten.aspx/#ixzz5QUV8Phug

This guy works for Nikon UK but I like his style and honesty https://youtu.be/Ex5vVy6KBac

and here are the earlier reports by Ricci Chera:
https://taipeigeek.blogspot.com/2018/09/excellent-nikon-z7-reviews-by-ricci-chera.html

[Birna Rørslett]

Just to clarify my understanding, is this with chipped lenses that this needs to be at smallest aperture or unchipped?

I used chipped lenses and their behaviour needs to be "G" look-alike. Meaning the aperture on the lens must be set to its minimum.  For a native "G" lens (and native AFS* too) the aperture is always controlled by the camera thus they function without further effects from the user's side. For AI/AiS lenses which are CPU-enabled, the aperture must be set to the minimum on the lens otherwise the FEE error occurs. I was a bit puzzled about this and will investigate in depth as soon as my review cameras arrive, of course.

With the dumb adapter and my Olympus PEN-F, the camera uses the available light coming through the iris of the lens and adjusts the shutter and ISO accordingly.  The EXIF always reports the widest aperture, so a my Nikon 105mm f/2.5 always shows the aperture as f/2.5...and I'm Ok with that because the lens is usable and the camera can figure out the exposure.  I'm hoping the Z6/Z7 can do something similar.

That remains to be seen --  an important aspect of forthcoming system testing as far as I'm concerned.
* The earliest AFS generation with aperture ring, such as the 17-35/2.8 or 28-70/2.8, would likely need to have the aperture ring locked to the minimum to avoid the FEE error. These lenses do allow aperture control on the lens if the DSLR camera is set up accordingly, but probably not on the Z bodies

[Jacques Pochoy]

This detailed feedback by Marcus van Oosten, who tested 2 prototypes of the Nikon Z7 in Madagascar. Some will remember his Hercules Rising promotion last year for the D850

https://nikonrumors.com/2018/09/07/nikon-z7-field-report-by-marsel-van-oosten.aspx/#ixzz5QUV8Phug

This guy works for Nikon UK but I like his style and honesty https://youtu.be/Ex5vVy6KBac

I used to chat a bit with Marsel in another life and on another forum (we were moderators). He's as honest as anyone can be, and when something bugs him, he can be vocal about it. He lives for his work (and I hope it makes him live), and happen to use Nikon gear since the beginning as his tools of trade, but he's no "fanboy". He use what it gets to have his pictures done.
I believe him as I would some others here 

[ericbowles]

"And flickering lights are very common; to me it is a delight that now DSLRs are able to time exposures to the peak of the flickering light cycle, which leads to more consistent results in such conditions (which are unfortunately very common). I would not want to go into a situation where I have more problems with these lights, banding etc. So I remain uncertain about the topic of the silent shutter."

One of the hands on reviewers mentioned that you can see the banding through the EVF, which makes it easy to adjust the shutter speed and eliminate it.  He indicated as a practical matter, banding is an education issue rather than a technical issue.

[Ilkka Nissilä]

One of the hands on reviewers mentioned that you can see the banding through the EVF, which makes it easy to adjust the shutter speed and eliminate it.  He indicated as a practical matter, banding is an education issue rather than a technical issue.

But can you eliminate the effect and keep a fast shutter speed to freeze subject movement?

[gryphon1911]

But can you eliminate the effect and keep a fast shutter speed to freeze subject movement?

You can run shutter speed fast enough to stop action, they just need to be a multiple of the frequency of the lights that cause the banding.

60hz, 1/60 will stop the banding.  So will 1/120, 1/180, etc

[golunvolo]

There is banding with mechanical shutter at any speed or only with the silent electronic?

[gryphon1911]

There is banding with mechanical shutter at any speed or only with the silent electronic?

Banding can occur on both.