Arrival of Nikon mirrorless (finally!)

[Fons Baerken]

https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/3416/nikon_d850_digital_slr_camera_(body_only)

so 2600€ in JA's favourite shop...

Any experiences with this shop?

[Jan Anne]

https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/3416/nikon_d850_digital_slr_camera_(body_only)

so 2600€ in JA's favourite shop...

And still €3799 incl 21% VAT in all the major camera shops overhere in the NL, like Apple products we rarely see price drops for Nikon and Sony cameras, pretty sure they regulate the prices overhere.

Just check the price graph, completely flatlined for the last 10 months while prices drop heavily elsewhere:
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/965313/nikon-d850-zwart.html

And the local shops wonder why I shop abroad 

[Erik Lund]

Same price situation here in DK,,, But it is sometimes possible to get a reduction 

[Frank Fremerey]

For me the interesting question is: will the new mount really enable significantly better lens constructions?

All people seem to value huge openings in the body and a short register distance and still Leica "M" shows us that a little hole with a long register distance outperforms most other systems.

[Frank Fremerey]

Any experiences with this shop?

I bought two lenses there that were not available in my local shop. No complaints. Reliable source

But I wanted to own the D500 and the D850 on day one and paid a hefty extra price for that early adoption in both cases. No regrets, would do it again anytime.

[Erik Lund]

For me the interesting question is: will the new mount really enable significantly better lens constructions?

All people seem to value huge openings in the body and a short register distance and still Leica "M" shows us that a little hole with a long register distance outperforms most other systems.

It just gives the lens designer some more freedom for the design of the optics and the mechanical layout of the lens body.


It all comes down to cost of the glass, lens body materials and complexity of the machining and assembly of the all of the parts,,,


The final price of the product is all a part of this, you can't make a cheap lens perform better due to a larger mount as souch.

[Frank Fremerey]

Erik: so your prediction is that we might see Leica performance but for Leica prices,,, or OTUS as we speak huge & heavy gear???

[Akira]

I bought two lenses there that were not available in my local shop. No complaints. Reliable source

But I wanted to own the D500 and the D850 on day one and paid a hefty extra price for that early adoption in both cases. No regrets, would do it again anytime.

It just gives the lens designer some more freedom for the design of the optics and the mechanical layout of the lens body.


It all comes down to cost of the glass, lens body materials and complexity of the machining and assembly of the all of the parts,,,


The final price of the product is all a part of this, you can't make a cheap lens perform better due to a larger mount as souch.

So long as I've seen the lenses for the mirrorless cameras, Olympus, Panasonic, Sony or Fuji, the wideangle primes and zooms (and maybe standard zooms as well?) are the only lenses that are benefited by the short flange back...

[chambeshi]

A few interesting thoughts in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGGbkbyBcR0

Mr tatoos goes on about 65mm, but cannot handle listening through all the repetition and waffle. but it's the outer diameter according to a January post by NR, who summarized Nikon's patent for the Z-mount. This has Mount diameter (opening): 49mm, Total diameter of mount: 65.4mm & Flange focal distance: 16mm

Can a Z-Mount of 49mm Dia. accommodate a MF sensor? That in the top model 'Blad H6D measures 53.4 x 40mm; the "cropped" MF sensor in the X1D measures 44 x 33mm

The leaked photos of this new Nikon ML hide too much, me thinks :-)

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/01/18/a-quick-update-on-the-rumored-nikon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-z-mount.aspx/#ixzz5MG1fpRP4

to add: today's official Press Release really is appropriate to announce a new lens/AF mount. The 101st anniversary of Nikon 
"Additionally, a new mount adapter is being developed for the new mirrorless camera. This will work with the NIKKOR F mount lenses that are part of the Nikon digital SLR system, adding to the variety of choices for photographers."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/25/official-press-release-nikons-develops-the-next-generation-full-frame-mirrorless-camera.aspx/#ixzz5MG6PnyAY

[Erik Lund]

Erik: so your prediction is that we might see Leica performance but for Leica prices,,, or OTUS as we speak huge & heavy gear???

More or less, both is the case yes.


As the performance of the optics are higher and higher the more expensive they will be, but it is linked to the size, that makes it more expensive to manufacture so higher price as well.


Precision optics need precision mechanics to perform!


Otus Leica M performance is a good comparison


55mm f/1.4 Otus is about the same performance as 50mm APO f/2 ASPH Leica M


https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/06/comparing-rangefinder-and-slr-50mm-lenses-version-0-7/


The Otus is half the price but is about four times the volume, double the diameter, three times the length and weight,,,
Same performance,,, yes it's f/2 vs. f/1.4 not really the point here,,,


Key is; Performance is more or less identical.


Sure AFS ring motor will need space but not much.


VR will be in body so not relevant unless you use DSLR lenses for comparison.


Weight can be saved using the good plastics.


There is no free lunch. Sorry

[Erik Lund]

Mr tatoos goes on about 65mm, but cannot handle listening through all the repetition and waffle. but it's the outer diameter according to a January post by NR, who summarized Nikon's patent for the Z-mount. This has Mount diameter (opening): 49mm, Total diameter of mount: 65.4mm & Flange focal distance: 16mm

Can a Z-Mount of 49mm Dia. accommodate a MF sensor? That in the top model 'Blad H6D measures 53.4 x 40mm; the "cropped" MF sensor in the X1D measures 44 x 33mm

The leaked photos of this new Nikon ML hide too much, me thinks :-)

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/01/18/a-quick-update-on-the-rumored-nikon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-z-mount.aspx/#ixzz5MG1fpRP4

to add: today's official Press Release really is appropriate to announce a new lens/AF mount. The 101st anniversary of Nikon 
"Additionally, a new mount adapter is being developed for the new mirrorless camera. This will work with the NIKKOR F mount lenses that are part of the Nikon digital SLR system, adding to the variety of choices for photographers."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2018/07/25/official-press-release-nikons-develops-the-next-generation-full-frame-mirrorless-camera.aspx/#ixzz5MG6PnyAY

I agree!

This new image looks much more like it could be the standard zoom 24-70mm f/4

That grip sure is huge!

[Akira]

Nikon Japan just announced the "Nikon Fan Meeting 2018" events held in seven major cities in Japan, starting on September 1:

http://www.nikon-image.com/event/fanmeeting_2018/

Yes, the illustrated camera is D850, but would they offer such events at this time without the "real things"?   

[Ilkka Nissilä]

europe is very expensive 

Well no, not everything in Europe is much more expensive. The D800 was 2500€ (in some shops 2700€) when a friend of mine bought it in summer 2012, and I paid about 3200€ for the D810. These prices were closer in line with US prices.

I should say that we are used to higher prices for some electronics than in the US market, especially memory cards are unbelievably expensive here and I try to avoid having to buy them here. Usually lenses and camera bodies are only slightly more expensive here than in the US due to the different taxes involved.

[Erik Lund]

The launch price of both D800 and D800E where very affordable when they where introduced.


I talked ti NPS at one of the big launch events here in DK and he said it actually a miscalculation, they didn't earn much on them,,,
So said the pro shops here,,,
As I recall the D800E increased in price some time after the launch here in Scandinavia,,,


I agree, for the money D810 is by far a much better features vs money,,,


Edit to add:
Nikon has updated the pricing for its new professional line of DSLR cameras - the Nikon D800, Nikon D800E and Nikon D4.
The company has apologised for originally releasing the incorrect information, which it puts down to an unfortunate "local internal systems error", which saw the new flagship pro camera priced at £4799.99, some £490 cheaper than the actual price of £5289.99.
To add confusion to the matter, pre-orders for the cameras are also open. However, Nikon has said that it will honour the pre-orders at those prices, if your order was placed before 24 March 2012.
So, to make it clear, the prices for the new cameras will be:Nikon D4 - £5289.99

• Nikon D800 - £2599.99
• Nikon D800E - £2899.99

[Jack Dahlgren]

The latest announcement seems very rational and hopefully keeps down some of the crazy talk like end of line for dslr or moving to medium format.

The larger diameter of the new mount and elimination of mirror have potential to increase the stiffness and strength of the camera.

Some people have noted that the grip seems elongated. It looks like it allows holding the camera more like a video camera (palmcorder) with the hand in line with the forearm when viewing the rear display. This seems to be a more stable position if you are doing video and would help with the overall balance of the camera when compared to rangefinder style bodies.

It will be interesting to see the camera emerge from the shadows.