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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2016, 16:10:19 »
Lenses for true Digital resolution MF like 6x6 or 6x7 giving they where to perform like the high end lenses we are used to now for DSLR would be so super expensive heavy and huge!

My Schneider APO Digitar 5.6/120mm features a 15cm image circle (6x6 qcm = 8,5cm diagonal) with a minimum resolution of 90 lines/mm. I paid 1465 Euro for a copy of that fabulous performer in Copal 0.

http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/en/photo-imaging/product-range/photo-lenses/products/large-format-lenses/digital-lenses/apo-digitar/db-apo-digitar-eng/?tx_curoproduktdb_pi1%5B4_id%5D=54&no_cache=1

Same optics sits in the TS lens for the Leics S System and the Phase One Twin brother. On the Road the Sinar body & bulk  might be unpractical, but the price (7000 US$ at B&H) is very interesting:

https://www.phaseone.com/de-DE/Products/Camera-Systems/Lenses/Schneider-Kreuznach-120mm-TS.aspx
https://de.leica-camera.com/Fotografie/Leica-S/Leica-S-Objektive/TS-APO-Elmar-S-1-5,6-120-mm-ASPH
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2016, 16:48:19 »
Yes but that is One lens  ;) Them you need a wide angle and so on,,,

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2016, 17:17:30 »
In terms of practical applications there isn't as much need for the larger medium formats as digital is higher quality per sensor area than film. The cost of making large sensors is disproportionally high. I think it is okay to call the new 44x33mm medium format if the terminology is agreed between different manufacturers then there is no misunderstanding among users either. Film users may protest (I used 6x7) but it doesn't seem likely that the larger formats of the film era will return in digital.

If I understand correctly what you mean, I am quite happy to agree that in the digital era, when sensors can be any size, categorical terms like "medium format" are obsolete.  But I am not the one using the term: Fujifilm have chosen to hang the whole marketing of this camera on the claim that it is "medium format reinvented".  They have done that for a reason, and the reason is not that "medium format" is quicker to type, or better understood, than "44x33".  They are doing it because they expect to gain a marketing advantage - and they are probably right, based on the reaction to this camera and the Hasselblad version.   

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2016, 17:24:50 »
Yes but that is One lens  ;) Them you need a wide angle and so on,,,
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You are right in the respect, that most of the following optics (with prices) are made for the smaller "digital medium" formats:

https://www.calumetphoto.de/product/Schneider-Apo-Digitar-N-5-6/150-Copal-0/SCN15056COP0DIG
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2016, 17:31:13 »
Addition. One of the lists with image circles for digital medium format:

https://captureintegration.com/image-circles/
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2016, 22:55:52 »
Using a Leica S (FPS) now and having shot the H5D (LS), I'd prefer leaf shutter so not much interest in this Fuji.

However, the V1D that Hasselblad is teasing us with - sign me up!

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2016, 08:52:47 »
V1D ... just looked it up. Interesting
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2016, 11:12:55 »
Medium format is well established as 56x56mm which was commonly cropped at the easel to 56x42mm (645). Large format started at 4x5" or 9x12cm.

Why do we call 36x24mm full format? Why not call 30x20mm full format. Why do we call 24x16mm APS-C. Chiefly what we need is a new Tower of Babel.

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Anything shorter than 55mm on the long side is sub-medium format. These exist for the same reason that Nikon and others put 24x16mm image sensors in 35mm form factor SLR bodies: the cost of image sensors at the time. I remember one forum moderator who said Nikon would never make a full frame dSLR because of the cost of such a sensor.

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2016, 12:09:49 »
I don't think we should be too concerned about what the formats were called in the film days.

The Hasselblad V1D looks cool, same for the X1D. Gothenburg in Sweden is just a few hours train ride from where I live. I think it's just amazing that they make cameras there.   8)

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2016, 12:18:09 »
The Hasselblad V1D looks cool, same for the X1D. Gothenburg in Sweden is just a few hours train ride from where I live. I think it's just amazing that they make cameras there.   8)

Considering the price of V1D or X1D, the difference of the traffic cost to Gotengurg, from where you live or from Tokyo, would be next to nothing.   ;D
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 12:47:15 »
Considering the price of V1D or X1D, the difference of the traffic cost to Gotengurg, from where you live or from Tokyo, would be next to nothing.   ;D
Yes, definitely, but you have a quite a few more camera manufacturers in your neck of the woods, Akira, than I do....  :o

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2016, 13:12:37 »
Medium format is well established as 56x56mm which was commonly cropped at the easel to 56x42mm (645). Large format started at 4x5" or 9x12cm.

Well, any format that was cut from 120 size roll film was called medium format. 6x6 was not really any more established than 6x4,5 or 6x7, as far as I could tell. Similarly there were different sizes of large formats; 4x5, 5x7, 8x10, etc.

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Why do we call 36x24mm full format?

When Canon first made the 1Ds they advertised it having a "35mm full frame sensor". The "35mm" was clearly present in the expression and people understood what it meant, it meant the sensor was the same size as a 35mm film frame.  However, later people started to talk about full frame sensors and let out the format size indicator (35mm) which is kind of a silly omission. But often language use evolves in this way, the history is forgotten and terminology that is not really self-explaining sticks as common usage. As long as people understand what is being talked about, it's ok.


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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2016, 13:49:58 »
Yes, 645, 6x6, 6x7 and 6x9 were commonly available in 120 roll cameras and backs. One would measure 55mm to 57mm. All were called medium format. I don't know of anything that was called medium format that was smaller.

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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2016, 17:41:32 »
Yes, definitely, but you have a quite a few more camera manufacturers in your neck of the woods, Akira, than I do....  :o

You are right, Bjørn.  Unfortunately, the location of the manufactures doesn't matter at all, so long as the camera is out of my reach.   :o :o :o
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Re: Fuji GF-X M&M announced today
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2016, 18:25:09 »
Funky but worth watching (maybe?) hands-on review on DigitalRev TV.  You can listen to the shutter sound (really quiet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgWoz-e8oZk
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