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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2015, 13:45:09 »
Here is a sketch where I've shown what I would like to see.
The sensor; envision how it would slide in like a memory card and sealed off from the elements by a bottom unit containing a high capacity battery.

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2015, 15:18:15 »
Nice :)
How difficult can it be - Now lets see what the design department and Production comes up with   ;)
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2015, 15:21:23 »
major changes like that have a huge non-recurrent cost associated with them rippling right through to manufacturing..  dollars and sense my friends
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2015, 16:59:28 »
Sten: will not happen. Film and sensor adjustments are a very very fine tuning work, ask the big Dane who assembles and disassembles these things
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2015, 17:11:53 »
It is in fact quite easy to envision interchangable finders akin to say the old F5. You push a button to release the finder and it slides out to be replaced  by another of choice. I had hoped this principle so useful on the pro SLRs would carry over to digital, but apart from an intermediary hybrid by Kodak (DCS 760, using an F5 chassis) it didn't and we instead got Live View as a substitute for the right-angle or loupe finders.

Now, why not an interchangable EVF for those bent to have it? I cannot imagine the implementation should pose much of a problem. Slide in the finder to signal the camera it should go into LV mode, then reroute LV signals to the electronic finder substitute. Those not wanting an EVF needn't do anything.

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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2015, 19:41:49 »
Weathersealing could pose a problem I guess?
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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2015, 19:56:33 »
It'll be interesting to see what manufacturer, if any, produces a combo finder system.
I can think of four ways to do it, with current or near-future technology:

1.  Interchangeable finder heads, as Bjørn has described:  Probably the simplest, most elegant solution from the standpoint of the operator and camera compactness, which is good.  A possible downside is future compatibility:  Does the D6 EVF work on the D7? 
2.  Non-interchageable combo finder:  No switching out of finder units, but will probably increase size and mechanical complexity beyond what the customers would want---and want to pay for---even though, on the top pro models, compactness of design is the last consideration of the designers.  Imagine a D5 with something the size of a Photomic FTn finder bolted to the top.  Expensive, and therefore a hard sell.
Could a compact version, with a transparent(when not being used) EVF be created, as Sten has suggested?  Maybe...but I'd fear that the EVF image quality, which already has problems in general, might be compromised further.
3.  Clip-on auxilliary EVF: Has already been done, but current attempts have been plagued by cheapness and poor ergonomics. Not throwing off the handling balance of the overall camera would be the biggest challenge.  This solution would allow the additional possibility of a real, 170º swiveling eyepiece in the style of video cameras---a built-in right angle finder that does more than right angles.
4. A quick-attach, rear-viewing loupe that utilizes the rear LCD, but snaps onto the body quickly, securely, and with no addtional rigging or bracketry.  Bonus points if they can make it swivel....

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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2015, 20:00:42 »
Weathersealing could pose a problem I guess?

I once went under water - involuntarily, as the ice sheet I stepped on disintegrated - and when I finally managed to make it to dry land, the finder of my F5 was dry on the inside .... as was the film chamber.

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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2015, 20:52:24 »
Weathersealing could pose a problem I guess?

where?

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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2015, 23:43:54 »
Hybrid OVF/EVF is not such a big problem. Look what Fuji did with the X100-Series. A really good Optical finder needs a lot of glass, an EVF is in fact a relatively small item to integrate. We already have a Display in the Way The D2X did not have it, the D70(s) and the D200 had it and the D2Xs had it too.

Make that display to toggle between supplementing the OVF-picture like it is today into being a Full 4-MP-EVF like in the Leica "Q" full frame 24-MP 10-fps "Compact"



I find this picture very inspirational. It shows the X100T solution. In a MUP situation we have a wide variety of option to place the actual EVF and the Mirrors in a full fledged Nikon Pro Body, don't we?
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2015, 23:53:54 »
It would still be better to make this into two entirely separate systems. Combining two entirely different technologies means that compromises or adaptations have to be found.

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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2015, 15:06:19 »
then any focussing aid for MF lenses, even if it is not a full EVF, would be more than welcome. Of course I can use LV in critical situations and switch back to the OVF, in case of distant shots, but that is antithetic to the Df philosophy for instance. Maybe abolish the three-aspect focus confirmation and put a continuous, "eye-up" display instead (the confirmation leds are out of the attentive vision zone and require the eye to be moved)
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2015, 19:06:18 »
I find the viewfinder in the D3 much less clear and as a result, more difficult to use for manual focus compared to the F5 viewfinder. I can easily reliably manual focus using the matte area of the F5, and the D3 was a huge disappointment in that regard (especially since I had just acquired some manual focus lenses which I was easily able to focus using the F5 even on high resolution ATP). I think the LCD overlay is what causes the loss of clarity. I would prefer it completely erased from the design in Nikon DSLRs at least from the higher end models.

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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2015, 23:04:19 »
hmmm... catch 22...
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Re: Nikon Rumors: Nikon D5 is coming
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2015, 00:09:11 »
I had a fight about this with Bjørn many years ago when the D2Xs came out. He praised the camera with display anyway but later praised the Df more because she seems to have a display but good MF behavior too.
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