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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2016, 23:10:47 »
Of course I brought the 135DC with me to Scotland.
Whilst it's a bit on the long side for walking the streets of Edinburgh and capturing the beauty of the architecture, it is magical in and among flowers :)
Here are some results from the West Princess Street Gardens:

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2016, 23:26:37 »
Super, Jakov !

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2016, 17:31:44 »
What a stunning instrument!!! Breath-taking images from an awesome lens.... Thank you for sharing these images and pearls of practical wisdom.
I am now determined to acquire either the 105 or 135 DC.

Given my professional background in the sciences, and not least systematics and taxonomy, I have been doing quite some research into these models and the other superb Nikkors. And here follows a couple of nuggets that some readers may not be aware of. These design factors (that include at least one patent) also have a direct bearing on the Noct-Nikkor legacy that fortunately still persists in Nikon (hence I also posted overlapping info in the thread on the 58mm f1.4):

Last month, in the thread on Old School Nikon Primes, I mentioned the enduring legacy of the Noct-Nikkor in a book I'd just acquired....And, well, latterly I found some interesting insights into the 58 f1.4 that interface with these DC Nikkor primes. This book being 'Eyes of Nikon. Art meets Technology makes History' Published 2014 for 80 Anniversary of Nikon  ISBN 978 4 904959 12 1

This book devotes quite some copy [pp 34-39] to the goals, and not least artistic passion, motivating the design of the specialist Nikkors. They try and accommodate 3 dimensions of the imaged subjects into 2-d Flat-Land (coopting the term of graphic designer Edward Tufte). Which matters here can be summed up in Sato's words of "an entirely different method of appraisal" of the optical performance of a lens; it extends beyond its sharpness at a singular point of focus, and includes colour rendering (an ability we all know where lens differ). This philosophy underlies the quest to refine the prowess of a lens in its defocus envelopes bounding the plane of focus, i.e. bokeh. The attributes underlying the 58mm f1.4G are not alone WRT this quest. This philosophy also underlies the 35 f1.4G and reaches its prowess in the Defocus Control Nikkors, which use a patented mechanism that allows one to manipulate spherical aberration. The design challenges centred on changing parameters of spherical aberration - alone - but without increasing any other aberrations. No small feat!! And it just so happens this is US Patent No 5 841 590 to Nikon Corp (filed 27 August 1997, awarded 1998) which spells out the inventor as one Haruo Sato. And Sato is the principal historian of One Thousand and One Nights devoted to origins of key Nikon innovations [with the essay on the 135 f2AF-D DC written by Kouichi Oshita http://www.nikkor.com/story/0032/ ]

To quote on the status of the Defocus methodology - "Finally, the currently available Nikon's range of medium telephoto lenses is to be brought to perfection. The successful development of a similar lineup as in the age of manual lenses owed much to the innovative rear-focusing design in AF 85mm f/1.8. This innovation was combined with a function for controlling the defocusing characteristics in the DC 135mm f/2 as the first attempt, which helped to successfully make the high-speed medium telephoto lens much more attractive. In the tale of Noct NIKKOR (Tale Sixteen), I explained the Noct as "the only NIKKOR lens that added values to the imaging characteristics" but this lens would take the concept even further, I'm sure." cf Tale Thirty-Two

Moreover, "When an optical designer friend ran simulations and analyses on the design [WRT to R&D of these DeFocus Nikkors], he discovered another clever trick: Nikon designed the red end of the spectrum to focus in a slightly different plane to make skin look even better." cf http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/135mm-f2-dc.htm

And so thank you all for kindly sharing of images and tests and photographic passions in these fascinating threads on NikonGear about the special lenses. in my naivete, I have come to humbly appreciate that there's so much more to the optical prowess of a lens besides its MTF curves etc :-) Long live these De-Focus Nikkors

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2016, 17:45:03 »


If you know the trick it is a joy the creative possibilities fast lenses and the DC lenses in particular will give you

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2016, 20:08:19 »
Of course I brought the 135DC with me to Scotland.
Whilst it's a bit on the long side for walking the streets of Edinburgh and capturing the beauty of the architecture, it is magical in and among flowers :)
Here are some results from the West Princess Street Gardens:
Breathtaking shots. Thank you for sharing and teaching us, Jakov!
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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #95 on: May 13, 2016, 07:07:28 »
Joost don't talk to me about this weather and wind havoc that is hitting NL for months. It just doesn't stop. I wanted to go to Keukenhof tomorrow (King's Day, probably not so busy) and play with the 135DC but looking at the weather forecast I think I will remain in bed...

Thanks!

I so love Keukenhof!  (What photographer wouldn't!). I'm jealous that you can simply pop down to Keukenhof like that.  Visited it for the first time in 1965 and love going back over the decades.  Apparently, with the DC, you can do much without even having to resort to Photoshop!  It's on my shortlist, as well.  But trying to figure out which-105 or 135.  Recommendations from the group?

TIA,,

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #96 on: May 13, 2016, 09:04:23 »
I freely admit my partiality for the 105/2 DC, but either DC lens will provide excellent shooting experiences.

Be careful with their slide-out hoods though. They are designed to be locked by turning them in very fine threads at full extension, which sometimes work well, other times creates troubles by cross-threading. If you are not careful, they might even lock permanently due to cross-threading.

The A/M ring on both lenses can break due to material fatigue and at least in case for the 105 DC, this means the lens will split into two parts. My first copy of the 105 DC died in this manner on me at a mountain top in Czech Republic - I forced the halves together with strong sticky tape found in my backpack. The lens thereafter worked in AF only as the focusing collar was stuck. Nikon Repair had trouble getting spare parts and advised against servicing the lens as this easily could cost more than the lens was worth. I tossed the damaged lens away and later got a new sample. On this I taped down the A/M switching ring permanently (in M position) as I already had done with the 200/4 ED-IF Micro, another lens afflicted by the A/M ring syndrome.

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #97 on: May 13, 2016, 09:10:09 »
Bjørn or Erik,

Have you heard of any info on the improvement of the material of A-M ring?
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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #98 on: May 14, 2016, 18:33:32 »
Inspired by you Jakov, I recently took a shot of my Japanese Maple with the the 135 2.0 wide open. I don't remember if I was playing around with the defocus control on this one but maybe you can tell. I couldn't find any info about this in the metadata detailing the shot.

The second one is with a 24 1.4 wide open of the same scene, same time. This shot suffers by comparison because the background is too busy for my liking but does reflects some differences from the 135 of the blur effect. I'll shoot the 24 again with more attention paid to background as I wish to show no disrespect to a lens of which I am quite fond.


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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #99 on: May 14, 2016, 21:56:00 »
Tom, that's a lovely maple.
I can tell from your shot whether you used DC, if so, probably on the rear de-focus side because the background is beautifully creamy. Having said that, the background would probably be blurred on its own without the need for the DC effect.
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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #100 on: May 26, 2016, 14:20:00 »
Lots of nice images in this thread :) My copy had its issues with different cameras, but after tightening the screw`s on the mount and fine tuning the AF with Reikan Focal it performs like a champ.

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2016, 16:28:06 »
Børge, pure magic!
Free your mind and your ass will follow. - George Clinton
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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2016, 10:05:39 »
This thread has gone a bit quiet, so time for me to chime in.  This was the first Nikon lens I bought after finally jumping to digital photography in 2008.  I'd rented it on a recommendation, and was duly astonished by the photos it could produce.  Although this thread is more focused (bad choice of words) on the magical DC aspect of the lens, I also especially like the way it renders distant detail when stopped down to f/5.6-8.  I can immediately identify photos I've taken with it.  Fine details are precisely but finely expressed, without the hard contrasts and grittiness I see from some "surgically sharp" lenses (words fail me a bit here, not sure that I can describe it any better). 
Here are some examples.  The first is part of a composite 6-frame vertical "panorama", stacked from multiple photos to maintain focus from pebbles in front of the camera out to a mountain at infinity.  The scene is a small frozen lake beneath Dubris and Bibra Valleys, alongside Hatherton Glacier in Antarctica.  The second is a small 100% clip from the first, lightly sharpened in raw processing, but not further.  These are from a D7000 (DX) at f/6.3.  The second one shows what the lens can do at several hundred meters.  The third image was taken just a few days ago, of course inspired by the amazing photos Jakov has been posting to this thread.  It's from a D810 at f/2.2, with the DC control set to 5.6R.  This way of using the lens is entirely new to me.  I've used the DC control occasionally when trying to take portraits, never with much evident success, and always set at or below the aperture value as instructed by the manual.  Now thanks to Jakov I've got a second, entirely new lens to play around with!  Botanists - please go ahead and correct my flower identification.  [Fixed next day - My guess was anemones, but that was from googling 'red flower'.  Bjorn indicates that it's a species of Geum. Thanks! So please ignore the photo title].

Cheers,  John

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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2016, 10:15:54 »
Lots of nice images in this thread :) My copy had its issues with different cameras, but after tightening the screw`s on the mount and fine tuning the AF with Reikan Focal it performs like a champ.

This is a very special shot. It has no clear focal emphasis yet or because of that transports a huge emotional content.

This is the thing about your shots. An emotional connection.

I sure have to train that. Your every post teaches me. Thank you.
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Re: Nikkor 135 AF DC f/2 D
« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2016, 10:30:18 »
Berylium10: your flowers are a species of Geum (Avens) in the Rose Family. These red variants often come from southern America (Chile).

The unique lens qualities are amply demonstrated.