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Hugh_3170

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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #420 on: April 19, 2025, 12:51:18 »
So would the #116 feature request, if implemented, result in the instance of a chipped non-AiS lens,  in accurate exposures at the actual aperture set on the lens and notified to the Z body by the photographer via the appropriate menu screen?  Is this what is envisaged?

Then NG members should rally to cast their votes.

Implementing the #116 feature would make Zf operate like the Df if the user so wishes.

Should be very easy to implement in firmware as the functionality is there already with Voigtländer Z and Viltrox Z lenses (for the latter if they have aperture ring). Setting the aperture directly on these lenses will override any camera dialling, unless they have an "A" setting emulating the aperture lock of F-mount Nikkors. This option is seen only on the Viltrox lenses as far as I can recall. The Voigtländer + Viltrox approach makes the choice indirect not explicit like we saw on the Df.
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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #421 on: April 19, 2025, 13:27:21 »
So would the #116 feature request, if implemented, result in the instance of a chipped non-AiS lens,  in accurate exposures at the actual aperture set on the lens and notified to the Z body by the photographer via the appropriate menu screen?  Is this what is envisaged?

Chipped non-AiS lenses can never be stopped down correctly, due to the non-linear aperture mechanism. An example: Using the CPU communication and setting the lens to f/11 (either by moving the aperture ring, or dialling in the number from the camera's side), for example, will make the camera calculate the correct exposure for that f-number. However, when the actual exposure happens, the lens is ordered to stop down to the position corresponding to f/11 on a linear scale. For a non-AiS lens, that means there will be over- or undershoot of the final aperture with the end points of the aperture scale only being correct.

In most cases, the deviation is +-1 stop or less, so the latitude of the digital system can assist in the later post processing. A few lenses will show greater variability and one should from experience be able to use manual exposure and a correction to handle these situations.

To reiterate: the exposure is set correctly, but the non-AiS lenses don't work as expected under a linear aperture model. Thus under- or overexposure will result.

For an AiS lens, setting the aperture on the lens in fact will produce a more even and consistent exposure. Stop-film makers tell me this advice actually helps a lot when they work under fixed light settings in a studio.

The underlying reason why I'm pushing the suggested #116 option is that the camera will handle much better if not all controlling actions are on the right hand. One can use the left hand to support the lens and concomitantly set the aperture, which leads to a much better grip and stability. Nikon Df handled easily in that manner and I do wish the same with the Zf.

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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #422 on: April 19, 2025, 16:04:16 »
Thanks Birna - as I suspected, but I had to ask.   :)
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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #423 on: April 19, 2025, 19:32:35 »
Before we are carried away with the misconception that using non-AIs lenses is hopeless and inaccurate, do keep in mind that most scenes in practice has a range of exposure possibilities. Their light reflectivity is not perfectly constant and fixed all over the viewed scene.

Without  a controlling CPU, an automatic aperture lens like the earlier Nikkors would operate wide open until the moment of shutter release, then in a fraction of a second stop down until the stop-down lever in the camera hits a hard stop (in the lens). This means even such lenses would provide the exact aperture you had set the lens to. The problem arises only when the movement of the stop-down lever *in the camera* is controlled by electronics communicating with the lens itself. For an Ais lens, the actual and pre-computed movement of the lever coincides; with a non-AiS lens they usually do not.

The above explains why adding a CPU to the lens makes it possible for the camera to control the lens even though the option never was intended, or envisaged, when the lens was built. I have many many older CPU-enabled Nikkors and they operate perfectly on all DSLRs since the D1 (1999/2000) and Z/FTZ since the Z7 (late 2018, oh time flies).

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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #424 on: April 20, 2025, 16:06:35 »
Thank you and noted.  Indeed I still use my chipped non-AiS lenses on Z bodies in the manner you describe.

Before we are carried away with the misconception that using non-AIs lenses is hopeless and inaccurate,................................
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Re: So, the ZF ...
« Reply #425 on: May 04, 2025, 10:32:50 »
A minor bug:  while firmware 2.0 allows you to dial in f-number with apparently unlimited values, you cannot have an f-number < 0.95 (is this due to the new 'Noct' 58mm f/0.95 ??).  I may set say 0.7, but it will be 0.95. So when I get my new Oude Delft 50mm f/0.75 soon and make a Zf-compatible  mount for it,  I cannot set the correct aperture. Sad.