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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2019, 14:39:00 »
The first Iris example really shows off the superior qualities of this lens. Also, due to the orientation of the main subject in the frame, the rather abrupt transition from extreme sharpness into total unsharpness is more or less masked, to the benefit of the visual outcome.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2019, 14:41:42 »
The first Iris example really shows off the superior qualities of this lens. Also, due to the orientation of the main subject in the frame, the rather abrupt transition from extreme sharpness into total unsharpness is more or less masked, to the benefit of the visual outcome.

I agree, but the second has more potential because of the interesting background angles. I am just doing proof-of-concept shots, but I have that proof now and will be more careful. LOL.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2019, 14:43:41 »

So, here are a couple of shots made in the very early morning light, with my eagerness to check the lens out. I believe I have got the general hang of it. I like it a lot.

I really like the second image. Very beautiful.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2019, 17:20:30 »
I am getting to know this lens and liking it a lot. The bokeh is wonderful for my purposes and the lens is just remarkable as we hoped.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2019, 18:07:31 »
Michael,  I've missed seeing some of your fantastic images, the lens seems made for you
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2019, 21:10:16 »
I very much like the 95-NOCT. It is a little like having a built-in focus rail because of the long focus throw, but we should keep in mind that the now classic Cosina Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar has a focus throw or about 630-degrees and the Leica 100mm Elmarit R is some 720-degrees, while the new NOCT95 has only about 360-degrees. So, the focus throw is not THAT long.
The focus throw in isolation does not give you the full story, you also need to consider how close the lens focuses and the diameter of the focus ring. Compare these lenses:

Lens / Close focus / Magnification / Focus throw / Diameter

Z 58/0.95 Noct   / 0.5m / 1:5.2 / 330° / 102mm
AI 58/1.2 Noct   / 0.5m / 1:6.7 / 230° / 74
AIS 58/1.2 Noct / 0.5m / 1:6.7 / 140° / 74
AIS 55/2.8 Micro / 0.25 / 1:1.9 / 310° / 64

The Z Noct and 55 micro have similar focal length and focus throw, but their focus action is entirely different, the 55 micro focuses much faster for a given movement in the focus ring. To get to the 1:5.2 magnification, the 55 micro focuses to about 0.4m with a focus throw of roughly 120°. In other words the focus throw to the same magnification is about 3x shorter than the Z Noct. Also, the barrel of the Z Noct is nearly twice as wide as the 55 micro, which means a 1mm movement of the focus ring turns roughly half the angle as the 55 micro. Put these together and you find that the Z Noct focuses about 5x slower than the 55 micro for the same linear movement of the focus ring.

It's clear to see why the Z Noct is good for focus stacking due to the very long/slow focus throw.

If we do a similar comparison with the AI Noct, the new lens focuses about 2x slower, and about 3x slower than the AIS Noct. Note that all the Nocts all focus to the same distance, but the new lens achieves higher magnification so that throws my calculations out a bit but you get the general idea.

In comparing to the Cosina Voigtlander 125mm and 100mm Elmarit R the best way to compare the focus throw is to see how far you need to turn the focus ring to achieve the same magnification. No doubt you will find the Z Noct has a much longer focus throw, even though the total focus action of the macros is longer.



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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2019, 21:23:49 »
Thanks. Makes perfect sense. My only complaint so far is that the helicoid turns a little stiff. Will send you my serial number.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2019, 21:44:35 »
An example at f/5.6.
More samples later.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2019, 21:58:02 »
The bokeh is wonderful for my purposes and the lens is just remarkable as we hoped.

Absolutely agree !

Perhaps the bokeh  is the main factor of this lens (and the sharpness as well), at least in my taste.

Also the night lanscapes delivered by Nikfuson are amazing with the burst of lights.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2019, 22:03:11 »
Thanks. Makes perfect sense. My only complaint so far is that the helicoid turns a little stiff.
That may be due to the size and weight of the lens. The specs make no mention of internal or rear focusing so I assume it is unit focusing, so that is a lot of glass to move. Hopefully it loosens up with use. It might be worth trying to rig up some sort of focus tab or lever on the lens, similar to the screw-in focus handles supplied with the 1000/11 reflex - it would give you a bit more leverage on the focus ring giving you easier and finer control.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2019, 22:16:58 »
I am getting to know this lens and liking it a lot. The bokeh is wonderful for my purposes and the lens is just remarkable as we hoped.

Michael,

I am always amazed at the images you create, no matter what lens you use.  Looking forward to more from the new Noct.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2019, 22:41:56 »
A few more at full throttle.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2019, 23:11:12 »
Michael! 1186 is stunning...
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2019, 23:42:50 »
A few more at full throttle.

Nikfuson,  These are definitely not the average test shots!  Beautiful images, and I really like the one of the dog.
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Re: Noct 58/0.95 - technical
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2019, 10:58:20 »
LoCA test at f/0.95, 1.4 and f/2.8 on a knife's edge so to speak.