Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8E FL VR vs Nikon AF-D 85/1.4, 105 DC, 135 DC, 180/2.8

[richardHaw]

https://richardhaw.com/2017/05/21/repair-nikkor-p-c-180mm-f2-8-auto/

the 180/2.8 is amazing 

the 70-200/f2.8 is more for convenience for me. I had the v2 and it was as good as it gets. when I was shooting events, it was irreplaceable.

these days, i am more into a lens' rendering than empirical data. this has allowed me to appreciate older lenses.

[Jedi]

https://richardhaw.com/2017/05/21/repair-nikkor-p-c-180mm-f2-8-auto/
 this has allowed me to appreciate older lenses.

I appreciate older lenses, in fact I love Nikon AF-D 85/1.4, 105/2 DC, 135/2 DC, 300/2.8 AI-S, (Zeiss lenses). I needed an AF lens for portraits (for landscapes I had and I have today Zeiss and I'm at peace with the universe!): so, in the past, I bought Nikon AF-S G 85mm f/1.4  and Nikon Af-S G 105mm f/1.4E , but I have resold them in a little time, because I didn't like their accentuated contrast and their colours, very different from old Nikon AI-s and Nikon D and their "tonal passages" (are these words right? I don't speak English very well! Excuse me....) and I bought 85/1.4 AF-D, 105/2 DC, 135/2 DC and I love them!!!!!! I needed it too a 180mm/200mm, also MF, for landscapes and street, so I preferred AF, so I bought this 180mm f/2.8 AF-D. I want to appreciate more old lenses!!!!

[Jedi]

Tomorrow I will try with and withoout filter for distant subjects. Thanks!!!!!!!

Hello, Nikonians!! I tried this morning two shoots with the 180mm f/2.8 AF-D, with D810, with and without filter Nikon UV!!! Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without the filter the 180mm is much, much, much, much, much better!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's a razor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With filter
(D810    180/2.8 AF-D   focus at infinity  1/500s   f/8    ISO 250)

[Jedi]

Hello, Nikonians!! I tried this morning two shoots with the 180mm f/2.8 AF-D, with D810, with and without filter Nikon UV!!! Surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Without the filter the 180mm is much, much, much, much, much better!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's a razor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Without filter
(D810    180/2.8 AF-D   focus at infinity  1/500s   f/8    ISO 250)

[Jedi]

Thank you very very very very very very very very very  very very very very very very very very very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....., especially to Erik Lund, Akira and Alaun!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jedi]

Crop without filter:

[Jedi]

Crop without filter:

Crop with filter:

[Jedi]

Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jedi]

Excuse, but I'd like to understand:doesn't  the 180mm f/2.8 AF-D  "tolerate" the filters?......, or is the filter defective?? (It's a Nikon... )

[Jedi]

https://richardhaw.com/2017/05/21/repair-nikkor-p-c-180mm-f2-8-auto/

the 180/2.8 is amazing 

Hello, I have read the page of your link and the author says that more lens elements in a lens, more glass-to-air surfaces cause image degradation: the Nikkor-P 180mm f/2.8 Auto has got 5 elements in 4 groups, while the Nikon AF-D 180mm f/2.8 has got 8 elements in 6 groups, so is 180 AF-D's capacity of isolating the subject not great as 180-P's? (I hope my English to be right!!! )

[Erik Lund]

Long focal length lenses are more critical about flatness, parallel planes and the thickness of filters. On the front.


I discarded filters when I went digital with the D1, it was quite clear that the image degation is quite severe with most lenses and also unpredictable.


Contrast is very easy to control in post processing, so not an issue for me, and yes I like sharp lenses as well.

[Erik Lund]

Hello, I have read the page of your link and the author says that more lens elements in a lens, more glass-to-air surfaces cause image degradation: the Nikkor-P 180mm f/2.8 Auto has got 5 elements in 4 groups, while the Nikon AF-D 180mm f/2.8 has got 8 elements in 6 groups, so is 180 AF-D's capacity of isolating the subject not great as 180-P's? (I hope my English to be right!!! )

The coatings of the elements by far are much more important.
To evaluate these two lenses by amount oooof elements doesn't make any sense.
They are two different designs optically,,,, though very close.
Some pro zooms outperform most old fixed focal length lenses in many aspects disregarding amount of elements.


But again post processing is so effective

[Erik Lund]

I appreciate older lenses, in fact I love Nikon AF-D 85/1.4, 105/2 DC, 135/2 DC, 300/2.8 AI-S, (Zeiss lenses). I needed an AF lens for portraits (for landscapes I had and I have today Zeiss and I'm at peace with the universe!): so, in the past, I bought Nikon AF-S G 85mm f/1.4  and Nikon Af-S G 105mm f/1.4E , but I have resold them in a little time, because I didn't like their accentuated contrast and their colours, very different from old Nikon AI-s and Nikon D and their "tonal passages" (are these words right? I don't speak English very well! Excuse me....) and I bought 85/1.4 AF-D, 105/2 DC, 135/2 DC and I love them!!!!!! I needed it too a 180mm/200mm, also MF, for landscapes and street, so I preferred AF, so I bought this 180mm f/2.8 AF-D. I want to appreciate more old lenses!!!!

I have seen no real difference in color between any Nikkor lens,,, ever.


Don't understand this too contrasty statement, a matter of post processing will control this easily.


And yes better with a sharp lens as a start point, then only sharpen what needs to be sharpened,,,


You sold 85 and 105mm 1.4 G, two of the finest tools, very odd, but ok I don't get it

[Jedi]

The coatings of the elements by far are much more important.
To evaluate these two lenses by amount oooof elements doesn't make any sense.
They are two different designs optically,,,, though very close.
Some pro zooms outperform most old fixed focal length lenses in many aspects disregarding amount of elements.


But again post processing is so effective

Thanks for all, Erik Lund!