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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2017, 18:54:46 »
I have a cheat, though probably not as good:

Insert a suitably trimmed wine bottle cork between the lens and the foot.

I like that one, Peter. It's very close to Bjørn's asthma inhaler, but easier to trim to fit, if necessary. Not that I have anything against more permanent solutions, such as an actually effective tripod collar. Necessity being the mother of invention, it's always interesting to see what others come up with.
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2017, 06:45:57 »
Really Right Stuff,......It's the "Bomb."

I bought one via auction. (The seller didn't know what it was & I practically stole it.) The detachable foot also works with the 70-200VR, version 1.


The 80-400VR works well with my rigs. I cannot justify ponying up for the Af-S version..... (& yes....I lost my shirt on value of the relic.

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2017, 09:47:27 »
Feisol has a lens plate that is Arca Swiss compatible and can be fixed to the camera bottom:

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2017, 09:54:22 »
Just be very cautious about putting too much lateral pressure on the camera mount. The cradle principle can add significant leverage to any force applied.

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 11:03:52 »
HejnarPhoto makes adjustable lens supports in different sizes: http://www.hejnarphotostore.com/category-s/103.htm
If necessary it should be possible to add some sort of strap to keep the lens in contact with the wheels even when turned vertical.

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2017, 15:22:28 »
He likes the looks of the Kirk AF-D replacement collar, but he's is also considering the homemade design that I posted. An issue with many solutions is that they restrict focus and zoom control in their effort to clamp down on lens movement.
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2017, 18:34:47 »
He likes the looks of the Kirk AF-D replacement collar, but he's is also considering the homemade design that I posted. An issue with many solutions is that they restrict focus and zoom control in their effort to clamp down on lens movement.

He should probably get the Kirk replacement collar for all use of the lens. I'd just get it and then see if more stabilization is needed for this special application.

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2017, 21:54:20 »
I would doubt the effect of the Kirk-style collar when the lens is set almost perpendicular to the ground.
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2017, 22:28:21 »
I would doubt the effect of the Kirk-style collar when the lens is set almost perpendicular to the ground.

I tend to agree with that. Collars are designed to be vertical with lens and camera rotating when portrait is needed. The barycentre is then on the plate axis with the plate flexion in its longest dimension. When mounted as shown on the first picture, the flexion arm is lateral with the barycentre far away from the plate, inducing torsion on the plate on the smallest dimension. This is the worst case scenario.

To reduce vibration, the barycentre should be as close as possible to the plate, which is why I would get rid of the collar and build a custom mount with at least supports in 2 places. Using a long rail also allow to position the barycentre closest to the plate by sliding it on the head.  If the barycentre is correctly placed with the lens zoomed and focused, no need for that of course but you can only check with the real camera and lens properly focused and zoomed on hand.

Last point, long rails are different in design, I would favour one with many bolt holes, to get more flexibility in positioning the custom blocks, like the one below
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2017, 02:07:53 »
My friend has modified design that I posted the other day, and that is what he's going with.
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2017, 06:17:58 »
The tripod collar re-design for the 80-400 has been completed, and testing is underway. The testing has been hampered by our annual monsoon weather here creates clouds that blocks views of the heavenly bodies, but he finally got some clear sky and I'll post images tomorrow, along with his plan of action. Too late to get into that today.

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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2017, 15:44:02 »
Here's the new tripod collar design for the upcoming eclipse.
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2017, 16:14:33 »
Below is the text of an email from my friend that explains much of what he is planning. The new collar has removed the vibration issue:

"I am using a very sophisticated piece of OS X shareware called “Solar Eclipse Maestro” to control the cameras:
http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/Solar_Eclipse_Maestro_Photography_Software.html

This software, which Xavier Jubier has been working on since the OS 9 days, is pretty much the defacto tool for eclipse photography, especially with Nikon cameras.
The software supports direct camera control via scripts, and the scripts are referenced to notable eclipse times (like “C2”, when the moon first fully eclipses the sun). Since these events are strongly influenced by your location, the software gets accurate time and location information from Bluetooth or USB GPSs. This way, you can write scripts to do the imaging without having to worry too much about where you will be viewing the eclipse from.

In my case, I will be scripting 3 cameras:

1) The D5100, which will be used as a time-lapse movie camera. I need the script to ramp both the exposure and the FPS rate as totality approaches.
2) The D7200, which will be my primary camera for taking solar close-ups. The script will take exposures every few minutes before totality, to capture the partial phases, and then take big bursts of images at a huge range of exposures from right before totality to right after, and then go back to taking partial phase iamges
3) The D800E, which will be used as a landscape camera, taking images every few minutes and then multiple images at totality at different exposures.

I also have another D800E, which will have a 35mm lens on it, and I am going to shoot that manually, for backup and panoramas.


Since we finally had a clear night, I tested the new camera mount tonight. I think it is working about as well as I could expect.
Here is a 1/8 second at f/8 moon shot:




I don’t think there is any vibration-induced blur at all. Any residual unsharpness is unavoidable atmospheric distortion, lens unsharpness, and diffraction.


The camera and lens are supported in 3 places. I had to shim the front lens mount and the camera mount to get everything in line.
Note the chunk of steel glued to the front for balance."

In a later post he says:

"Yes, SEM is quite an impressive program. There are lots of features I won’t be using, which are used by professional astronomers.

I worked on the tracker a bit more today. I thought of a way to take some of the error out of the alignment, and I am testing it now. So far, I’ve been able to keep the sun in the frame for around 2 hours, which is good enough for me. I’m also testing the focus drift with temperature. Seems OK, but I need to do it again in the morning, so I can get more heating.

USB camera control is pretty much an afterthought on most DSLRs. The D5100 is particularly bad - the interface won’t accept another command until the first one is processed, including being written to SD.
You can do long bursts, because that is considered one command, but there is a limit to how many frames (100). If the burst was unlimited, I would use it. But, I don’t want to take 100-shot bursts, and then have to wait and take another 100-shot burst. That gap would be annoying. "
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2017, 15:43:28 »
I'm surprised at the lack comments on the final design of the camera/lens mount solution for shooting the eclipse.
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Re: A question for Bjørn...
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2017, 17:53:17 »
Sorry for that, Carl, holiday time and smartphone reading/writing .... Thanks for the info, the software link and the pictures. It is very interesting to see the final set up, I did not expect it to be like that. I did not realise the camera would be that far back relative to the head. Any reason for that?

 Your friend's set up is impressive. I'm eagerly waiting to see the pictures.
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