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MFloyd

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2017, 23:10:36 »
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Why do I keep posting to this stupid thread?
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I'm eagerly waiting for page 10 of this thread  ::)
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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2017, 23:34:59 »

If I were starting in photography today I'd buy Canon but I'm not. I'm married to Nikon through legacy lenses I bought as far back as 1978. I don't still own any of the lenses I bought from 1970 to 1975. I went "Walk About" for three years and didn't own a 35mm camera.

Why do I keep posting to this stupid thread?

Dave Hartman who is horse from yelling.



I've been using a Canon 5DS R the past week and have come to appreciate the color and low light capabilities of my lowly Df. Can't say I'd go with Canon if I started fresh, even if their parts policy were better.

By the way "horse" is something you beat when dead. "Hoarse" is what your voice is after beating said horse...

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2017, 23:49:25 »
I've been using a Canon 5DS R the past week and have come to appreciate the color and low light capabilities of my lowly Df. Can't say I'd go with Canon if I started fresh, even if their parts policy were better.

By the way "horse" is something you beat when dead. "Hoarse" is what your voice is after beating said horse...

Ayuh, I don't subscribe to the theory that "the grass is greener at the other place" either.  ;)
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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2017, 00:04:25 »
Greener Grass:

Which do you prefer?
One is Nikon, one is Canon?




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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2017, 00:28:11 »
I hope he doesn't ask me which image is from which camera......... :-\
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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2017, 01:37:11 »
In the image on the right the model's head is tilted forward slightly relative to the image on the left.  To me, it looks like her face has more (yet still subtle) shadows as a result, providing more contrast and a more interesting appearance.  So the photos are not an equal comparison of photographic equipment IMO.  I do like the right photo better and I think that's due to both posing and lighting.

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #111 on: July 24, 2017, 04:04:17 »
Greener Grass:

Which do you prefer?
One is Nikon, one is Canon?

It doesn't really matter. If she had a watch she wouldn't give me the time of day and who could blame her?
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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #112 on: July 24, 2017, 04:12:23 »
By the way "horse" is something you beat when dead. "Hoarse" is what your voice is after beating said horse...

A horse is a horse, of course, of course...

Jack, will you be my proofreader?

Dave
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Jack Dahlgren

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2017, 04:37:38 »
Ayuh, I don't subscribe to the theory that "the grass is greener at the other place" either.  ;)

The grass is definitely greener on the Nikon side. Spent today editing raw files from both cameras. No doubt that 50 mpx is a lot of detail, but I find it easier to work with the Df's color and tonality, especially for the color green.

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2017, 04:41:10 »
A horse is a horse, of course, of course...

Jack, will you be my proofreader?

Dave

Sure, but you have to pony up a quarter a word.

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2017, 05:19:54 »
Frank, all throughout this thread I've been under the impression that you are in some part mocking the US and anyone who has differing views than your own. All the while you've been dismissing other peoples opinions, suggesting someone is a "lost coward" if they don't engage in the same practices as you, ignoring people more informed than yourself on matters and coming to your own alternative facts, for lack of better term. You've even adopted the "fake news" terminology as your own.

Do you see the irony yet?

You are making the case that you would be the perfect candidate as mayor of "Trumpland", where ever that might be.



You take things personally. I did not make any personal remarks to anyone. Why do you feel hurt? My son runs after the newest Adidas shoes like a crack addict. He says that he is not influenced by advertising.

There is just the friendly guy on the internet saying you must have these shoes....

As a marketing professional I show how marketing tactics work. People who fall victim to these tactics defend them who bullshit them not the one who helps them free their minds by uncovering the tactics.

On the other hand I am under fire in this thread for no good reason.

Nikon is bullshitting you. Fact.
You defend them. Fact.
You feel that I have no right to say it. Fact.
You feel hurt because I revealed you are being bullshitted. Fact.

I am man enough to bear this, but man I feel some of you got the president they deserve.
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

Me: https://youpic.com/photographer/frankfremerey/

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2017, 05:24:14 »
Posing and lighting. Bill is right.
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

Me: https://youpic.com/photographer/frankfremerey/

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2017, 06:16:46 »
You take things personally. I did not make any personal remarks to anyone. Why do you feel hurt? My son runs after the newest Adidas shoes like a crack addict. He says that he is not influenced by advertising.

There is just the friendly guy on the internet saying you must have these shoes....

As a marketing professional I show how marketing tactics work. People who fall victim to these tactics defend them who bullshit them not the one who helps them free their minds by uncovering the tactics.

On the other hand I am under fire in this thread for no good reason.

Nikon is bullshitting you. Fact.
You defend them. Fact.
You feel that I have no right to say it. Fact.
You feel hurt because I revealed you are being bullshitted. Fact.

I am man enough to bear this, but man I feel some of you got the president they deserve.

Frank, you do not hurt me. As far as I'm concerned you're more than welcome to speak freely on any topic, I'm certain we'd agree on many things, presidents included. But why would you expect a free pass from your own bullshit being called out?

If you fail to see the similarities in your behavior to that in which you are mocking, so be it.

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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2017, 06:23:17 »
In the image on the right the model's head is tilted forward slightly relative to the image on the left.  To me, it looks like her face has more (yet still subtle) shadows as a result, providing more contrast and a more interesting appearance.  So the photos are not an equal comparison of photographic equipment IMO.  I do like the right photo better and I think that's due to both posing and lighting.
Agree.  It's not a valid comparison.  Too much difference between the shots.  Great care would have to be taken to make valid camera rendering comparisons with a live model.  That's why test comparisons such as DPReview's so often use boring sets composed of inanimate objects.
There is another factor:  If the tester's familiarity is with Nikon, then the software settings and the processing knowledge/experience of the tester used is likely going to be pre-optimized for Nikon.  It might take an considerable amount of work to optimize for Canon.
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Re: Is this a serious offer????
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2017, 06:41:23 »
Greener Grass:

Which do you prefer?
One is Nikon, one is Canon?

Charlie,

I think the portrait studio would be a great place for the 5DS R. It is a controlled accurately lit space. I never work in a studio. I'm always working without flash in locations with lighting which is not under my control, and which often consists of bright sunlight unmitigated by clouds, not infrequently streaming into dark interiors. The Canon does not handle this well.

So far my experience is that the Df delivers files which are easier to hammer into shape. This makes the process more enjoyable for me. This can be weighed against the increased detail. And so far the forgiving nature of the Nikon is weighing in more heavily.

All we have are our own opinions. You are free to prefer something different.