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JCDowdy

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2016, 15:15:13 »
Excellent behavioral documentation and exceptional photographs.

Similar behavior to the  Bearded Vulture, or Lammergeir, dropping bones onto rocky surfaces.
http://www.reed.edu/biology/courses/BIO342/2012_syllabus/2012_WEBSITES/IvyH.BeardedVultures.2012/index.html
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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2016, 20:39:36 »
 ;D

They are dinosaurs with feathers (it seems now that the majority did), so they ruled before us...

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2016, 21:36:09 »
David, Mongo does not know what a “candy gram “ is but it sound nice and Mongo is grateful for the thought in any event.

Monge definatly does NOT want a candy gram. That was a very naughty joke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6_kasOHac

Candy gram for Mongo is one of many gags in the Mel Brooks movie Blazing Saddles.

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2016, 00:35:36 »
thanks again.

John, Mongo also saw that program and is starting to wonder if we haven't generally underestimated the intelligence of these "feathered dinosaurs" all round.

David, thanks for filling Mongo in on "candy grams". Have never seen Blazing Saddles (although had heard of it) and did not know it had a "mongo" in it. This Mongo was created well before Blazing Saddles but seems to share the same primitive features and habits. As far as candy grams go, now that Mongo has seen what they are, you could say he has figuratively received many of those ....... ;D

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2016, 01:34:30 »
Interesting insights and terrific series. Your work suddenly makes that lens seem very desirable.

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2016, 01:50:26 »
Interesting insights and terrific series. Your work suddenly makes that lens seem very desirable.

thanks David. The lens is OK especially for the money. It seems to shine sometimes and not other times. That can only be Mongo operator error. However, Mongo would have been much much happier if it had been a straight 500mm f5.6. Indeed, without the extra zoom elements, it may even have been an f5 and certainly lighter , faster focusing and maybe other advantages too. Have almost never used the shorter focal lengths on it. On this note, there are rumours of a Sigma 500mm f4 FL lens for about 40% less than a Nikon equivalent. Worth a look for Mongo when it is released.

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2016, 09:52:14 »
Indeed good series, and another exemple of what such a lens could deliver.
Interesting enough, from my experience, to get sharp details, the bigger the animal the less critical the lens becames. And a gull is a big bird.
Is when I start to shoot the small criters, even from close distances, that I need the extraordinary quality of the big prime lens to reach pro results. And I'm not talking about cropping, is just to ataign those small feathers details...
Have you the same experience?

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2016, 11:21:41 »
;D

They are dinosaurs with feathers (it seems now that the majority did), so they ruled before us...

My friend's cockatoo slams her foot down hard when I ask if her great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great ... great grandmother was a Tyrannosaurus Rex. She's utterly incensed.

Third time now she opens a 1.5 lb. (680Kg) nut jar by unscrewing the lit with her beak and then tossing it. She's discovered the serrations on the side of the lit make turning the lid easier. The treat inside is raw pistachio nuts.

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Re: Gull - Advanced Behavioural Series
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2016, 09:09:50 »
My friend's cockatoo slams her foot down hard when I ask if her great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great ... great grandmother was a Tyrannosaurus Rex. She's utterly incensed.

Third time now she opens a 1.5 lb. (680Kg) nut jar by unscrewing the lit with her beak and then tossing it. She's discovered the serrations on the side of the lit make turning the lid easier. The treat inside is raw pistachio nuts.

Dave who's glad he's not a snail

David fascinating animal. It is not a cockatoo…….it sounds more like a sentient being !! It should be allowed to own a car and vote !

Indeed good series, and another exemple of what such a lens could deliver.
Interesting enough, from my experience, to get sharp details, the bigger the animal the less critical the lens becames. And a gull is a big bird.
Is when I start to shoot the small criters, even from close distances, that I need the extraordinary quality of the big prime lens to reach pro results. And I'm not talking about cropping, is just to ataign those small feathers details...
Have you the same experience?

Interesting question. Mongo notes that you have some superb equipment and that from your comments on the site from time to time, you are a strong believer in primes. Mongo can only relay his experiences have owned and/or used all the excellent tele primes from 200mm f2 to 600mm f4. For Mongo , small critters would be say, a wren or robin. Gulls are many times bigger and eagles many times bigger again.

There is no doubt the big primes (if it is a good copy, used well, in the proper atmospheric conditions and circumstances)  has generally yields the best detail/sharpness result. Of course, this must be compared to the best of the non-prime lens’ performance. There are not many high end tele zooms. The 70-300mm VR, 70-200 f2.8, the latest 80-400mm VR, 200-400 f4, 200-500mm f5.6. There are also what Mongo calls “the little big primes” like the AFS 300mm f4 and PF which is an excellent performer.

We must not forget that by virtue of being a “big prime”, it usually has the advantage of “magnification” of the small critter’s details. In theory, the 200-400mm f4 is probably the closest in quality and focal length to make any reasonable comparison. At the outset, Mongo declares that he bought one of these new, hardly used it at all and sold it due to disappointment. Nonetheless, other copies he has used have performed much better than his copy did.

Distance to the small critter is a very important factor in the outcome of the image sharpness/detail (all else being equal). Mongo’s experience with the 200-500 and a good copy of the 200-400 is that they are both capable of producing incredibly detailed images of small details. However, where the distance is long, the primes really come into their own by holding onto that detail and sharpness over the greater distance in comparison to the zooms.
All lenses are affected by distance but the primes seem to be less adversely affected than zooms. Just where the critical distance point begins depends on many variables but when it does cut in, the primes perform slightly (and sometimes, significantly) better.

Mongo really likes the image quality of his 600mm f4 but is often now surprised by the results of some of his 200-500mm images. Far from always but now and then, for some unknown reason (perhaps because all the stars in the universe align at that moment), it just outperforms reasonable expectations of it. Mongo believes this occurs becuase of focus accuracy. Lenses do not always focus exactly on the same spot each time. On the occasions that they hit the mark, the difference is noticeable.

By way of example, Mongo has attached 2 images of a Ravin taken with the 200-500 at a distance of a little over 30metres (100 feet) using D800E.

#1 - the original completed processed image;

#2 - a 100% crop of #1 image.

Mongo thinks that a 500mm or 600mm prime may not have given any better a result in this case. Had the distance been greater, then, the primes may have been slightly better or maybe not.