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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2016, 14:07:42 »
No, not really. If there is mechanical vignetting present, the blur circles will be cut off to become "cat's eyes".

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #106 on: July 30, 2016, 15:25:54 »
The undisclosed "Roadmap" says to me:

Nikon sells a 2000 Euro 1.4 and 3 years later introduces a 1.8 that is just as good to the people who did not buy the first one.

Frank, you nailed it.  I am a bit surprised to see this 105 before a fast 135, as many have asked for a Nikon match to that item in Canon's line up.  I will probably not be buying one of these as it is pricey and not my style anyway.  A fast 135, perhaps.

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2016, 15:33:37 »
i think we should change the title :o :o :o

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2016, 20:52:43 »
I am a bit surprised to see this 105 before a fast 135, as many have asked for a Nikon match to that item in Canon's line up. 

I would have preferred Nikon to issue roughly evenly spaced AF-S updates to the primes that cover the whole range of focal lengths (e.g. 24/50/105/180/300) and then refine the lineup with in-between focal lengths and maximum aperture variations, but they took a different route. Nikon seems to have started from the 50/1.4 and then expanded gradually from there into both directions (another center of development was the long fast primes, which they have been regularly updating, but for a long time they regarded body motor AF good enough for the shorter primes, which it is not IMO).

I'd be surprised if they issue a 105/1.8 later; it would still belong into the ultra-fast category - how many different versions of a given focal length can really be needed? There is still no AF-S 135mm or AF-S 180mm.  :o 

I am still very happy that Nikon is paying attention to fast primes, and will not complain about the 105/1.4 per se.

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #109 on: July 30, 2016, 22:16:39 »
If Nikon released a 105/1.8 that continued with the 105/1.8 Ais' strengths I would buy it in a heartbeat.  I could be wrong, but I am guessing the portraiture focus of the 105/1.4 will leave it with noticeable field curvature.
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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #110 on: July 30, 2016, 22:22:06 »
According to the MTF curve at f/1.4, the new lens should have an amazingly flat field.

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #111 on: July 31, 2016, 00:57:05 »
Ilkka. Nikon caters to different markets at different price points. If you and I or Bjørn or many others on this
special forum want a lens we grind our teeth and put another 2000  Euros on the counter.

Yet. The market for 1000 Euro lenses and 500 Euro lenses is much bigger. And I am very happy about that.
In 1996 I got my F4s used for 1500 German Marks plus a new 1.8/85D for 900 Marks.

What used camera would you get for 750 Euros today? A D3? Not yet.

BUT and that is the point. You can get the current 1.8/85G for 450 Euros.

Very wise policy: give the Enthusiasts a head start and make them pay.

Later cater to the crowd, recycling the design and downgrading it for manufacturing costs.

Your other point is more difficult to address: Why did they choose to step through the focal length that way?

I guess because the tele designs were quite good and not selling like ice cream.

And because, apart from terrific zooms Nikon was short on stunning wide angle options.

Now we got plenty of these, the 105 is next.

Fast, macro, slow, vintage, DC

That is a legendary focal length with lots of incarnations to come.

I am interested in a  AF-S micro nikkor that does not change fl focussing. VR3 could be nice.
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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #112 on: July 31, 2016, 01:37:38 »
Ilkka. Nikon caters to different markets at different price points. If you and I or Bjørn or many others on this
special forum want a lens we grind our teeth and put another 2000  Euros on the counter.

If we don't have the frogskins are the rest of us allowed to grind our teeth?

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #113 on: July 31, 2016, 15:42:45 »
Frank, I'm not questioning the need or usefulness of the intermediate maximum aperture primes. I would like nothing better.

However, Nikon's policy in the autofocus era has been difficult to understand. For the longest of time, Nikon did not see the need to update the focusing of their AF Nikkor primes, all the while making no less than six variants of the f/2.8 telezoom, improving the autofocus at every step of the way. Of course the sales of the primes have been poor; what is the value of a fast prime with no means of reliably focusing it? Trying to manual focus a 180/2.8 AF(D) (N) had me climbing on walls in frustration. Having to fire a burst to get one shot in focus is hardly a good approach when properly implemented technology that was available to Nikon (exhibited by the  AF-S f/2.8 telezooms) would have easily solved the problem. One of the reasons I overshoot regularly is because I had to focus bracket every situation with the 180/2.8 and it's been difficult to shake the habit.

Now suddenly Nikon sees fit to make two AF-S primes of each focal length? So they finally admit that there is in fact demand. I believe the demand was always there but Nikon in essence told us that everyone who is serious about autofocus photography should just use the f/2.8 telezoom. I know a lot of people who do not want that lens and prefer something which is either faster or more compact, or both. I loved the compactness of the 135/2.8 and 180/2.8  - and I believe the 180/2.8 AF (D) has been quite popular inspite of its shortcomings. Many enthusiasts would love these lenses with properly implemented focusing (both auto and manual) and a bit less LoCA. This was the main reason I purchased the 200/2 - to get focusing that I could count on, at large apertures. The 105/1.4 is along the same lines - it seems to be about breaking records of lens design rather than providing users with practical tools. I'm not saying it will not be a great lens; it's just that something a bit less exotic might suit the needs of a larger group of photographers.

I would like to ask Nikon for a little bit of consistency, and I'm not talking about regular updates of already spectacular performers  but improving what is weak in the lineup and thinking about what is practical for professional and enthusiast alike.


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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #114 on: July 31, 2016, 17:55:43 »
One thing that is good about these super high resolution, fast primes is that when combined with high resolution camera bodies, such as the D810, there is quite a bit of flexibility in cropping which brings these lenses closer to zooms in practical use. I've noticed little damage to the quality of 200/2 II images when cropped by 1.5x in stage lit concerts and this gives added working range to the lens. I imagine the 105/1.4 should be similar. But the ability to do this crucially depends on how well the focusing works. If it is reliable and sufficient for the demands of depth of field at f/1.4, then the lens will be very useful also for event documentary images and not just portraits.

At weddings, I find myself often looking for medium telephoto lenses to pick audience / guest reactions to the speeches and program. The audience in the church can be in very low light, e.g. f/2, 1/125s, ISO 6400 is not atypical and places can be darker still. 1/125s is not a motion stopping shutter speed, but it usually allows relatively stationary reactions to be recorded sharply with the help of VR. Or, with an f/1.4 lens, at 1/250s which is already sufficient to stop most movement apart from sports etc. Although ISO 12800 has become usable in some of the latest camera bodies (D750, D5, D4 and Df) I still find the tonality thin and I would prefer to stay with lower ISO settings, but that really does require f/2 or f/1.4 lenses in some cases. I have reasonable amount of hope that the new 105/1.4 will focus fast enough, and above all, accurately so that it can be used for documentary photos in dim light as well as portraiture. If it turns out to be similar in AF performance to the 200/2 (II), I won't grind my teeth much. I still think they should make a 135mm as well, and in that case it should be at most f/1.8, or f/2, to avoid excessive cost and weight. Apo Sonnar image quality and Nikon SWM focusing - now that would be quite something.  :)

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« Reply #115 on: July 31, 2016, 18:03:57 »
....Now suddenly Nikon sees fit to make two AF-S primes of each focal length? So they finally admit that there is in fact demand. I believe the demand was always there but Nikon in essence told us that everyone who is serious about autofocus photography should just use the f/2.8 telezoom. I know a lot of people who do not want that lens and prefer something which is either faster or more compact, or both. I loved the compactness of the 135/2.8 and 180/2.8  - and I believe the 180/2.8 AF (D) has been quite popular inspite of its shortcomings. Many enthusiasts would love these lenses with properly implemented focusing (both auto and manual) and a bit less LoCA. This was the main reason I purchased the 200/2 - to get focusing that I could count on, at large apertures. The 105/1.4 is along the same lines - it seems to be about breaking records of lens design rather than providing users with practical tools. I'm not saying it will not be a great lens; it's just that something a bit less exotic might suit the needs of a larger group of photographers.

I would like to ask Nikon for a little bit of consistency, and I'm not talking about regular updates of already spectacular performers  but improving what is weak in the lineup and thinking about what is practical for professional and enthusiast alike.

More than another 105, a revamped 180 2.8 AF pro lens will be something, especially is it can be kept as compact and even sharper (!) than the 180 f2.8 AFD:-)

The classic primes have been redone for 85 and 200, and in the supertelephotos. 105 is well provided for; the 135 f2D DF is specialist. The BIG gaps in the Nikkor primes crying out for state of the art updates are a fast 135 and 180!

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #116 on: July 31, 2016, 19:17:37 »
I would like to ask Nikon for a little bit of consistency, and I'm not talking about regular updates of already spectacular performers  but improving what is weak in the lineup and thinking about what is practical for professional and enthusiast alike.

I can only double underline this sentence.

That was a tough choice of you to buy and haul around the hefty 2/200G because Nikon did not update the optically amazing 2.8/180D...

ThomasMUA did a long series about how he manages to nail sharpness on most of his 2.8/180D shots (on the old forum) ... he focus traps most of the time iirc.

I am not sure if I am allowed to link threads from the old site here...


PS: The D500 is my first Nikon ever that can really AF fast primes fast and reliable. So it is not always the lens' fault only, it seems. I can even focus track with the 1.4/24G which could only be rated as "non AF" before the arrival of the D500 and D5
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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2016, 23:01:59 »
2 info's:
1) More High Res images
http://asklens.com/2016/07/nikon-105mm-f1-4-sample-images

2) Someone in another forum reported, that the lens is "Made in China"

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2016, 23:22:47 »
A little surprising that it is made in China, usually the high-end gear is made in Japan. On the other hand, all the other f/1.8 primes are made in China.

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Re: AF-S Nikkor 105/1.4E to be announced
« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2016, 23:36:03 »
Roland,
I just relayed this info, couldn't confirm myself (due to a lack of lens :) )

Indeed, it would be interesting if this lens would be made in China.

A few potential "reasons":
1) Capacity limitations in Japan (earthquake)
2) A new factory opened for high quality gear in China
3) Modern factory automation available, reducing the need on large quantity of skilled labor
4) "Huge" quantities expected
5) Good 'ol - "lets maximize profit" approach

:)
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