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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2016, 07:56:10 »
"It is impossible to tell the level of detail possible from the lens, from that 3x shot, because you hand-held. It would be unacceptable for a live image, but that might not be the fault of the lens just the fact it was hand-held."

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2016, 19:36:23 »
"It is impossible to tell the level of detail possible from the lens, from that 3x shot, because you hand-held. It would be unacceptable for a live image, but that might not be the fault of the lens just the fact it was hand-held."

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Yeah...I also wondered what shot this post was referring to.
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« Reply #107 on: April 20, 2016, 00:25:31 »
A few more words on the 28mm Ai-S:

It's funny, I was just talking on another thread, where I rate this my favorite, all-around lens, for the reasons displayed on the previous page.
(It does super-wide, wide, close-up, and extreme macro ... all in 1 inexpensive lens.) And then I read this:

  • "The Nikkor 28mm f/2.8s also famed for its ability to deliver images of extremely high contrast and resolution. It has long been a favorite among many seasoned photographers as one of the best wideangle lens for all round photography ....

    "Wide 74° picture coverage lets you handle wide scope of applications, such as it can be used to take candids, portraits of people in their surroundings, landscapes, travel photos, night lights, architecture and interiors, nudes, and star trails etc.
    * Focuses down to 0.2m (0.7 ft.) - the closest minimum focusing distance of any Nikkor lens; Close-Range Correction System insures sharp images even at its closest focusing distance.
    * Excellent for high-magnification close-ups when mounted in reverse on a bellows unit - up to nearly 9X magnification is possible.
    * Superb picture quality from center to edges because it is extremely well corrected for coma and spherical aberration.
    * Exceptionally light - weighs only 250 grams."

Check out the full article.

All I know is, I am a believer.

The small size + light weight + low price yet high-quality + the incredibly-wide range potential applications have made this my favorite lens on a hike.

I still bring some specialized lenses, but this 1 lens now does more total work than any of them.

Jack

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #108 on: April 20, 2016, 00:32:46 »
The 28/2.8 AIS is without doubt good and deserves well its high regard. Despite its qualities, one has to keep a few aspects in mind:

  • This is *not* a true flat-field lens, unlike nearly all the Micro-Nikkors
  • Its performance at distance is less convincing
  • Bokeh could be smoother
  • It makes a hot spot in IR
  • It is not as persistent against flare as the f/2 version


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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #109 on: April 20, 2016, 00:57:45 »
Yes, it all depends on the needs you have as photographer. For critical street-work it's less suited due to the points you mention.

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #110 on: April 20, 2016, 01:28:43 »
The AIS 28/2.8 was the subject of the latest Nikon 1001 nights article on the development of certain lenses: http://www.nikkor.com/story/0057/
This was one of my favourite wide lenses for many years due to the very low geometric distortion and close focusing ability. 28mm also makes a natural wide companion for 50mm lenses, it's pleasantly wide without the extreme stretching towards the corners of wide lenses. (Because I had 28mm I bypassed 24mm and went to the AI 20/3.5 if I wanted something wider).

For me, the main fault of the 28/2.8 is generalised flare and loss of contrast, for example when shooting a landscape with a large expanse of bright overcast sky above. Shading the front does not control the flare until the shade intrudes into the picture. Mine has the newer SIC coating. It seems to handle point sources better. Still, I never noticed this problem after many years of shooting so it can't be too bad.

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #111 on: April 20, 2016, 14:43:51 »
The 28/2.8 AIS is without doubt good and deserves well its high regard. Despite its qualities, one has to keep a few aspects in mind:

  • This is *not* a true flat-field lens, unlike nearly all the Micro-Nikkors
  • Its performance at distance is less convincing
  • Bokeh could be smoother
  • It makes a hot spot in IR
  • It is not as persistent against flare as the f/2 version


Yes, it all depends on the needs you have as photographer. For critical street-work it's less suited due to the points you mention.

Thanks for the input.

For my needs, it is just about perfect.

The performance "at a distance" is convincing to me (see previous page).

The bokeh may not be "technically perfect," on paper, but it renders wonderfully to me (again, see macro shots, previous page).

I am not worried about flare. In fact, sometimes, in nature shots, flare can actually enhance the effect and image IMO ...

Also, I am actually glad this lens is not a "flat field" lens, because I can do so much more with it as a result. I've had plenty of macro lenses, and still have a nice one, so that the 28mm isn't flat-field is a bonus too IMO.

Cheers,

Jack

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #112 on: April 20, 2016, 15:12:55 »
The AIS 28/2.8 was the subject of the latest Nikon 1001 nights article on the development of certain lenses: http://www.nikkor.com/story/0057/
This was one of my favourite wide lenses for many years due to the very low geometric distortion and close focusing ability. 28mm also makes a natural wide companion for 50mm lenses, it's pleasantly wide without the extreme stretching towards the corners of wide lenses. (Because I had 28mm I bypassed 24mm and went to the AI 20/3.5 if I wanted something wider).

Thank you for the link!

It, too, expressed my exact sentiments:

  • "While many users tend to focus on aspects and specifications ... I think that more importance should be placed on minimum focus distance and maximum reproduction ratio. These aspects are directly related to the degree of flexibility a lens offers. For example, have you ever photographed flowers with a normal zoom lens, and then switched to a telephoto lens to make the flowers appear larger or closer, only to find that you couldn't make the flowers appear any larger or closer because the minimum focus distance for the telephoto lens was quite long? Micro lenses are the best lenses for situations like this. Therefore, with actual shooting, the minimum focus distance is every bit as important as focal length. If we look at brochures in this way, the unique characteristics of the AI Nikkor 28mm f/2.8S covered in this tale become clear. It has a minimum focus distance of just 20 cm, one of the shortest among wide-angle lenses, and a high maximum reproduction ratio of 1/3.9×. This is one of the reasons this "approachability" is still included in our manual focus lens lineup."

The fact I can get so close to a subject, and capture the environment behind it, is what makes the 28mm f/2.8 Ai-S such a great naturalist's lens to me.



For me, the main fault of the 28/2.8 is generalised flare and loss of contrast, for example when shooting a landscape with a large expanse of bright overcast sky above. Shading the front does not control the flare until the shade intrudes into the picture. Mine has the newer SIC coating. It seems to handle point sources better. Still, I never noticed this problem after many years of shooting so it can't be too bad.

Well, no lens is perfect, but this comes as close to a perfect, single lens (for my purposes) as I have ever shot with. The detail, color, and bokeh I am able to get (reversed) as a macro lens is exceptional. Its low weight and low cost make me comfortable using it "for anything." It does many things very well, some exceptionally well. The landscape shot I took on the previous page had an overcast sky and it didn't seem to affect the detail or contrast. Also, with Lightroom, so much can be "brought back" that I am not too worried about it.

Maybe the new Zeiss 28mm is a better "fine art lens," but at $5,000 it ought to be!

However, as a total nature documentation lens? Not so much. IMO, this little $500 Nikon 28mm f/2.8 Ai-S lens is more versatile, for a naturalist, at 1/10th the price. They don't make 95mm reverse rings, for starters, so you can't even use the Zeiss as a macro--and who wants to use a $5,000 non-weather-proofed lens in inclement weather anyway? Or to expose the rear element by reverse-mounting it (assuming you could even do, which you can't). In other words, a Ferrari may have a better ride, in perfect conditions, than an Army Jeep, but can you take a Ferrari off-roading, like you can the Jeep? ;)

I love the simple, versatile, rough-and-tumble characteristics of this little lens. I really do. This lens can't replace my 300mm telephoto for distance shots of creatures that won't allow close approach, and I can't capture a 1:1 butterfly shot from a far-away distance (as I can with my Voigtländer 125mm) either, but the 28mm Ai-S can capture everything else about the natural world that these two lenses cannot duplicate. And, reversed, it goes 2:1, not just a mere 1:1. So it takes me beyond a standard macro also. Further, when oriented properly, it can also capture very close "near-macro" shots, and the environment behind the tiny subjects, because it allows such close approach while still being wide-angle. (In this respect, the Nikon 28mm Ai-S is very much like the new Laowa 15mm f/4 Wide Angle 1:1 Macro.)

The all-manual Nikon 28mm f/2.8 Ai-S may not be perfect at all things; but it is really good at just about everything I need it to be good at 8)

Jack

PS: Much props for your Nikon Website. Lotta work went into that, and it is a great source of history and information, which is definitely bookmarked.

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2016, 17:13:38 »
Distance in a city is just what is needed for the 28mm f/2.8 AI-S...



Of course, for the model admired by students, this nifty lens can be appreciable...



But then it works also for the casual group portrait at the next door café's terrace...



Or for documenting the lens bought at the photo fair (Before cleaning the 135mm f/2.8 Q)...



I completely agree on the usefulness of this little lens, I find it easier to use then my "kit lens zoom", the 24-85mm VR ! Paired with a 50mm f/2 AI and a 85mm f/2 AI in my vest pockets, I'm ready to conquer the world... :-)
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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2016, 17:27:42 »
wonderful group portrait!

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2016, 18:11:35 »
Wow, Jacques, NICE!

Cheers

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #116 on: April 21, 2016, 00:47:28 »
wonderful group portrait!

Thanks a lot... :-) A Df and a small "Old School prime" !
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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #117 on: April 21, 2016, 00:53:32 »
Wow, Jacques, NICE!

Cheers

Thanks... :-) I'm just missing the reversal rings ! But I'll wait for the June Photofair of Bièvres to get one, it's part of the pleasure to chat and discuss with sellers from all over europe. If I don't have some small errands to find, I might buy some Hassys or Russian Leicas or some weird lenses for my Agfa Silette ! So I keep my wishes for the fair... :-)
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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #118 on: April 21, 2016, 09:02:30 »
Beautiful examples, Jacques !

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Re: Old School Nikon Primes
« Reply #119 on: April 21, 2016, 10:59:42 »
Beautiful examples, Jacques !

Thanks a lot... :-) I also have the more casual shot of a well behaved stray cat in Istanbul...

with the Df and the 28mm f/2.8 AI-S.
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