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Ilkka Nissilä

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #90 on: March 22, 2016, 13:04:15 »
While I agree that a professional sports photographer is likely to shoot jpg in many cases to be able to edit and send the images as quickly as possible for the media to use. But some sports photography (and wildlife photography) takes place in bright sunlight and there a large dynamic range at low to medium ISO would be a benefit.

There are also other reasons than the high fps rate that one may elect to buy a camera like the D5 - such as ergonomics, ruggedness, and ability to function reliably in extreme environmental conditions. I also find the handling of the integral vertical grip bodies to be better because the positions of the controls are not compromised by the division between body and vertical grip. The D5 has excellent AF with the extreme focus points and this makes it ideally suited for full body portraiture - but the sensor doesn't exactly seem to be a perfect match for that, as often a larger dynamic range would be a benefit e.g. in wedding portraiture.

I think the dynamic range compromise here must have been a result of the high speed readout that was mandated by the high fps capability of the camera, and not any result of the supposed target audience shooting jpg or simply not caring. It may certainly be true of the majority of sports photographers but there are others who want to use this type of camera body as well. Perhaps Nikon doesn't sample their user base evenly. Anyway, it is what it is, and it probably complements the D810 quite well.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #91 on: March 22, 2016, 14:51:04 »
Quite interesting nobody will take the D5X bait I put up,,, Oh well - keep on dreaming  ::)
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2016, 14:53:19 »
Quite interesting nobody will take the D5X bait I put up,,, Oh well - keep on dreaming  ::)

I think the issue is that if Nikon offers a "D820" and "D5X" at the same time and one is 3000€ and the other 8000€ then the latter will have very few takers. Only by offering sufficiently distinct feature sets can Nikon sell a D5X and that would mean killing the D8x0 line, or downgrading it significantly, which isn't going to happen since it's a very successful product.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2016, 14:57:32 »
That is only if you think in money, Nikon doesn't always think in money, I'm happy to report.

Coming from an long heritage of D1X, D2X and D3X it is no secret I would have preferred a D5X to the D810 with grip,,, You mention the reasons above ;)
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2016, 15:01:22 »
Well, Nikon actually let us down by not offering a D4X. I think this can be construed as a sign of dividing product lines.

Thus, D5X likely is a pipe dream. Sad as it would be an unbelievably capable machine.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2016, 15:12:21 »
You might be right,,,
The D4 and D4s never caught my attention, many different little things kept me away,,,
While shooting the D3 and D3X I have shot with two D7000 on the side, with grip on one of them and slowly gotten accustomed to some of the differences so the gripped D810 is sort of OK for me to shoot with now,,,

Let's see,,, a D5X - 100 Mega Pixel would be,,, Nice ;)
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2016, 15:19:32 »
Update: oops, I was too slow in my typing - or my posting is just too long :)

Quite interesting nobody will take the D5X bait I put up,,, Oh well - keep on dreaming  ::)

I assume that even Nikon was surprised by the success and market adoption of the D800 series, which basically killed the D1H/D1X, D2H/D2X, D2Hs/D2Xs and D3/D3X heritage for the D4 generation. From a business platform perspective the lower price of the D800 increased the number of cameras in the market substantially vs the D1/D2/D3 generations. With more camera in the markets and its relatively high resolution requirements triggered quite a few Nikkor sales (more than a few high priced D4X's could have done for Nikon's overall bottom line).

My 2 cents on "dreams ..." :)
1) Now that the D8xx series is so well established, Nikon will continue to explore and exploit this market segment. While the D800 was probably a risky step to change the market dynamics, there is no need now for continuing such an approach. My guess is that the next generation D8xx will be rather be a "conservative" step, i.e. 45 or 54MP if we talk resolution. With about the same price range (and the "mandatory" 10% uplift for a new generation).
2) This would allow Nikon still to choose the route to position a "revolutionary" D5X with an appropriate price premium against the "standard" D5. Not sure how many customers would embark on a route of paying for instance 7-10k $ for a 88MP or 100MP FX D5X Camera (or whatever resolution), without impacting the "lower cost" 3-4k D8xx successor market. Using CX cameras like the J5 with current modern FX lenses, the aquivalent resolution over the FX sensor space would be either 80 or 150 MP (depending if someone uses the J5 or V2 as base). Meaning, existing lenses wouldn't be completely out of scope.

Talking about guesses. My current guesses are rather around the renewal of the "holy trinity" lens set (AFS 12-24mm, 24-70mm VR and AFS 70-200mm).
1) The AFS 24-70mm/2.8G VR seems to be the early bird in this generational change. Electronic aperture control, VR, etc. But the 82mm filter size seemed odd to me at the beginning. As it is a very unusual filter size.
So the "conspiracy guess" is that the 24-70mm introduces the 82mm filter size as the new standard size for the yet to be completed new triple lens set.
2) There might be a new AFS 17-35mm/2.8 with this filter size, having more focal range than the 14-24mm and still allow for filters to be attached. The AFS 17-35mm was introduced with the D3 in 2007 and the AFS 16-35mm/4 never emotionally catched on the other f2.8 lenses in this line. So this success is kind of long overdue.
3) The AFS 70-200mm VR II is the lens which from an optical performance has the lowest upgrade need. Might only be a minor update with an "E" aperture control and all the new FL, nano, etc. gadgets applied. And of course 82mm filter size :)

rgds, Andy



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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2016, 15:29:20 »
Under point#2 I think you might refer to the 14-24/2.8? The 17-35/2.8 was released in 1999 for the F5 and D1.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #98 on: March 22, 2016, 15:30:06 »
Thank you for your thoughts!

I agree on most, and yes the wide and the long Pro zooms must follow the 24-70mmAFS E VR trend - Some amazing lenses if they pull that off  ;)
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #99 on: March 22, 2016, 15:41:59 »
Nikon certainly have the optical expertise required to update all these pro lenses. The question is more whether the users have the economic means to replace their current working gear?

The 24-70/2.8 E certainly was an excellent piece of glass. Had I been in the targeted audience I would have replaced my 24-70G without a second thought. Now, I just keep it.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #100 on: March 22, 2016, 15:51:11 »
Under point#2 I think you might refer to the 14-24/2.8? The 17-35/2.8 was released in 1999 for the F5 and D1.
No. I just mixed it up - my error. Plain and simple. Sorry.

The AFS 17-35mm/2.8 was indeed introduced 1999 with the D1.
The AFS 14-24mm/2.8 came with the D3 in 2007.
I have it even covered in my own D1 birthday post - just check the 1999 and 2007 entries. There they are on the D1 and D3 :)

I am getting old ....
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #101 on: March 22, 2016, 15:54:05 »
"I am getting old ...."

You are not alone, if that's a consolation .... I can still remember the enjoyment of putting the brand new D1 + 17-35 to work back in late 1999. Many photons have hit Earth since then, but the attraction of digital photography has not faded.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #102 on: March 22, 2016, 17:00:37 »
But the massage was clear enough despite the dating! ;)

Yes I was also a fond D1 17-35mm AFS shooter  8)
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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #103 on: March 22, 2016, 18:28:55 »
The AFS 70-200mm VR II is the lens which from an optical performance has the lowest upgrade need. Might only be a minor update with an "E" aperture control and all the new FL, nano, etc. gadgets applied. And of course 82mm filter size :)

rgds, Andy

From an optical perspective yes, but it suffers heavily from focus breathing. That´s the reason why I still stick with my VRI version and longing for an VRIII without that issue.

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Re: Nikon D5 - first impressions
« Reply #104 on: March 22, 2016, 18:44:37 »
I agree it suffers from focus breathing and therefore not quite close enough for portrait work,,,
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