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Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« on: January 08, 2016, 20:31:24 »
I really like using 50mm lenses on my DX bodies as short telephotos. I shoot most of my photographs with them, not just portraits. I've already got a 1.8/50mm AIS and an AF 1.8/50mm D (the old, horrible, plasticky version with the narrow focusing ring at the front, still "Made in Japan" though).

Now I was offered a 14./50mm AIS by a friend at a pretty reasonable price. Haven't seen it yet, so I don't know if it's OK, but I'm wondering: Does the 1.4 offer me something different, other than that it's wee bit faster?

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 20:34:50 »
It offers excellent image quality and the build makes your AF 50/1.8 feel like a toy.

The 50/1.4 AIS can be modified for a CPU chip as well.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 20:57:45 »
It offers excellent image quality and the build makes your AF 50/1.8 feel like a toy.

Thank you. The AF 50/1.8 is a toy ... I find I use it only if I think I need the AF. Most of the time I use my old 50/1.8 AIS. But then I always wanted a 1.4 ...

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 21:10:41 »
The last of the AIS 50 1.4 lenses is very compact, almost the same size as the [long nose] 50/1.8 AIS.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 21:18:33 »
I've got no idea which version he's got. I'll give him a call sometime next week. Maybe he's got some other lenses I'm interested in, such as the 105mm/f2.5. Even though that's probably a bit long for my purposes on a DX body.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2016, 21:21:59 »
Ask for the serial number. That is the appropriate manner of finding out which lens is offered. Roland Vink's site http://photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/index.html to the rescue. That site is a gold mine of information for any Nikon aficionado.

No reason why the 105/2.5 shouldn't work well on a DX camera. I have used such combinations for many years. If the camera won't allow metering, the lens can easily be CPU-modified.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 21:54:42 »
From a home testing session. Shooting distances were rather close, so I cannot judge performance at infinity on such basis. About 10 lenses were involved; I only quote the 50/1.4 vs 50/1.8 AIS cases

First scene : a kitchen corner in daylight, about 1.0 m

50/1.4 AIS vs. 50/1.8 AIS ___________________________
My 50/1.8 is a recent version, plasticky and with minimum focussing distance greater than 0.6m, so not the best choice, but for the chosen scene, it does not matter. I also got a 50/1.8 AI, which is better in both respects but with damaged coating, so it is used as a paperweight.
At f/2.0, colors and vignetting seem about the same. Center sharpness for the 50/1.4 is better; the 50/1.8 is still marred by some haze. Bokeh is similar in shape and tint (such as green outlining in the background), but the 50/1.8 has more outlining. The 50/1.8 seems to exhibit slightly less LoCA in the foreground; the 50/1.4 has more purple fringing, where the 50/1.8 rather produces blue fringes on shiny parts.
At f/2.8, the overall pictures are hard to tell apart. The 50/1.4 still has the very slightly better center sharpness. The actual FL of the 50/1.8 is also slightly longer. The bokeh is now about the same (both lenses by the way have a 7 straight blade diaphragm, so you won't expect more differences on stopping down).
At f/4.0, differences narrow further down. I still see slightly better center sharpness with the f/1.4 lens.

Second test : simulated night shots (dark room, lots of lit apparatus, crystal vase, computer with backlit keyboard...)

50/1.4 AIS and 50/1.8 AIS _____________________
At f/2, there is less blooming with the 50/1.4. Highlights are outlined in both cases, but they are smoother with the 50/1.4. Highlight shapes are however distinctly heptagonal with the 50/1.4, but still nearly round with the 50/1.8. Colors of the 50/1.8 AIS are more neutral; with the 50/1.4, I observe a pink cast. Keyboard letters are surrounded by a slight haze with the 50/1.8.
At f/2.8, the 50/1.4 still bleeds less: highlights still appear biggerwith the 50/1.8.

Please also note that while I always was pleased with the sharpness of my 50/1.2 AIS (and now with the 50/1.2 AI I bought in addition), it seems that the 1.4 is slightly sharper even at small f/stops (except maybe f/2.0). The 50/1.2 is a most interesting lens, but has more issues (field curvature, probably some focus shift, and sure more CA), so the 1.4 offers a better guarantee of good results, if sharpness is the criterion. Bokeh of the 1.2 is slightly better though.

If you mostly use the 50mm stopped down at 4.0 and beyond, the 50/1.8 is the better choice if distortion is your concern. At such apertures, these 50mm are generally very similar.

My personal feeling with the 50/1.4 is, I do not like the pink haze, so if I intend to do shoot color picture wide open I'll tend to look elsewhere (50/1.2, precisely, or Voigtländer 58/1.4 if coma is no issue).


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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2016, 22:23:20 »
Shortly i will post some images from Amsterdam done with Df and 50/1.4ais.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2016, 23:07:55 »
This is Jan Anne enjoying tomato juice an Amsterdam morning. Df with 50/1.4 AIS near wide open (before Erik and I had chance to CPU-modify the lens).

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2016, 23:36:52 »
Here the 50/1.4 at its worst (daytime case), which is far from bad, wide open of course. The "issue" here is the glow around highlights. You will also notice the somewhat "milky" shadows. Of course nobody in his right mind would shoot an organ with such settings.

Edit : CA was autocorrected in LR, but I left distortion and vignetting alone. Camera: Df
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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2016, 00:03:30 »
For comparison sake, this is what the Voigtländer 58/1.4 yields, wide open :

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2016, 04:49:58 »
Airy, thanks for the comparison shots. That's very interesting.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2016, 07:01:29 »
You're welcome. But to make it clear : this depicts a relative weakness on one less suitable type of subject ; overall, wide open, the 50/1.4 AIS beats many others, see above. Glow aside, the Nikko looks sharper than the Voigtländer. This might be caused by misfocussing, not sure.
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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2016, 07:10:56 »
This kind of lens slightly defocused certainly will add "glow" to all kinds of shiny objects.

I see surprisingly little CA on my sample of the 50/1.4 Nikkor AIS in general use.

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Re: Worth getting another 50mm Nikkor? 1.4/50 AIS
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2016, 07:41:20 »
Airy, thanks a lot for the comparison shots. Very interesting stuff. I actually like the "glow" around the highlights, makes the images look interesting. I think that may be used to good effect in some photos.

I'll have a look at the lens as soon as I get round to visiting my friend sometime next week. He's not in a hurry to get rid of it, it's only he realized he can't use his old manual lenses anymore because of his eyesight and doesn't want to have them sit unused in his cupboard.

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