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ColinM

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Re: [Theme] Show us your best moon (and solar system) images
« Reply #1125 on: September 17, 2024, 11:35:17 »
Brute, that now seems to be yesterday (i only just found this)
Were they good for anyone?

Øivind, i love the impression of your final shot - the moonscape.
Strangely the crater detail seems lower than some of your earlier shots???

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« Reply #1126 on: September 17, 2024, 11:40:01 »
It started too late for Europe, it is going on now, in full force over Alaska. I hope Øivind can see them.
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« Reply #1127 on: September 17, 2024, 11:53:56 »
There is even word out auroras, northern lights are produced by human actions.

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« Reply #1128 on: September 19, 2024, 06:31:10 »
Thanks for the comments, Bruno and Colin.
The lower level of detail in the last lunar capture was due to poor seeing, that is disturbance of the atmosphere that caused a jittery appearance of the image. The opportunity to test the new gearhead made me try the imaging anyway. So I went for lower magnification with the 1.4x TC instead of the 2x TC which is optimal for this sensor/lend combination in better conditions. Capturing in IR can help a little in bad seeing, but the effect of diffraction sets in at larger aperture.

No chance with the aurora here. The same day could also have provided an opportunity with a conjunction between Saturn and the Moon (and a partial lunar eclipse in locations further south) but it completely rained away.
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« Reply #1129 on: September 19, 2024, 19:22:48 »
There is even word out auroras, northern lights are produced by human actions.

When you say "produced" do you mean that the results of human activities can influence auroras Fons?

Otherwise the sceptic in me feels (but doesn't actually know) that auroras have been recorded in records going back a few hundred years....maybe since before humans had influenced nature very much

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« Reply #1130 on: September 19, 2024, 19:34:16 »
When you say "produced" do you mean that the results of human activities can influence auroras Fons?

Otherwise the sceptic in me feels (but doesn't actually know) thay auroras have been recorded in records going back a few hundred years....

Parts of the world auroras have appeared where they have been seen never before,...? 

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« Reply #1131 on: September 19, 2024, 19:51:32 »
Parts of the world auroras have appeared where they have been seen never before,...?

Really interesting Fons, thank you.

Part of me wondered whether the knowledge that smartphones can capture aurora activity that the eye struggles to see was the main explanation for what youve mentioned.

These google results are also interesting
The only point i noticed in these related to increased sunspot activity.
But other more knowledgeable people may be able to correct me

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/auroras

https://ewenbell.com/blog/Why_Auroras_Look_Different_on_The_Camera

https://www.vox.com/science/24156730/aurora-northern-lights-visible-space-weather-storm-sun-solar-flare-ejection

https://www.visitnorway.com/things-to-do/nature-attractions/northern-lights/facts-about-the-northern-lights/

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« Reply #1132 on: September 19, 2024, 22:17:43 »
Auroras have been seen as far south as Bombay in 1872. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/acc6cc
If I remember well, the Carrington event of 1859 generated aurora even closer to the equator.
Not sure they could still be called Northern Lights though :)
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« Reply #1133 on: September 19, 2024, 22:43:16 »
Another historical reference:
https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2021/04/29/great-aurora-storms/

Colin has a good point though that digital cameras have enhanced us to "see" weak red auroras that the eye has less sensitivity to detect. Those red auroras usually occur at the southern latitudes during solar storms.
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« Reply #1134 on: September 20, 2024, 09:42:23 »
Back in May when I posted an image of the Lunar Appeninne Mountains https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=1867.msg199591#msg199591 where I stated that "The Apennine mountains are >40,000 meters high". At the time I missed a discrete PM from Armando where he questioned if that was correct.  When I now after spotting his message tried to Google the "The highest mountain on the moon" I found that Mons Huygens that is part of  Montes Apenninus is listed at 18,046 ft/5500 m,  https://lsc.org/news-and-social/news/the-moon-has-craters-but-did-you-know-it-has-mountains-too.  Thanks to Armando for bringing this to my attention! 

As I gave no link in my previous post, I now just could not figure out where this number came from. The same article also states that even though "it is Moon’s highest mountain, Mons Huygens isn’t the Moon’s highest point. That would be the Selenean summit, which is 35,387 ft above the Moon’s center". That is  10786m, so far off from my previous number and I started wondering if that was due to my brain hallucinating like an AI chatboot!

But then finally I found the article my 40,000 m number had been based on, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountains_on_the_Moon. So I was not hallucinating after all, Montes Apeninnus is listed at 401000 m. (That is one zero more than I reported, so my original number was not correctly reported). What goes on here is different ways of defining the zero elevation level. The wiki article mention that "Mountains on the Moon have heights and elevations/altitudes defined relative to various vertical datums (referring to the lunoid), each in turn defined relative to the center of mass (CoM) of the Moon."  Further down "... This is because the Moon has mass asymmetries: the highest point, located on the far side of the Moon, is approximately 6,500 meters higher than Mons Huygens (usually listed as the tallest mountain)."  So I missed that fact that this list is just numbers listed relative to a defined datum and not actual height of the mountain above a wide area of lower surroundings.

Of course figuring out anything about the moon has historically been difficult. ;)  Here is a sequence of two naturally occurring renditions of the full moon as a folded flat disc from a flight from Fairbanks to Seattle in July. I had a middle row seat in the plane, but that did not prevent me from using the 300PF on the Z8, which as usual was in my personal item under the seat in front to me. There were boundary layers in the atmosphere on top of clouds that created the optical illusion that clearly demonstrated the difficulty of measuring altitudes on the moon.  ;D
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Re: [Theme] Show us your best moon (and solar system) images
« Reply #1135 on: September 20, 2024, 14:26:12 »
Øivind super pictures, and from the middle seat ;)

I must admit that 400mm is not enough to capture the moon, but I tried anyway.
Z8 100-400 f4.5-5.6 @400mm
Heavily cropped.

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« Reply #1136 on: September 20, 2024, 20:08:20 »
Thanks Bent.

Your image is nice and clear and the Z8 probably has pixels enough for an even tighter crop?

But on second thought it is perhaps the square format that makes the image not get scaled at larger display size at our site?
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« Reply #1137 on: September 20, 2024, 20:46:55 »
The 400mm lens will -- roughly -- produce a circle with diametre 4mm on the FX sensor of the Z8. Thus the lens is "too short" to allow apparent close-ups of the moon with that camera.

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« Reply #1138 on: September 20, 2024, 21:02:02 »
I've heard that the size of the images of the moon and the sun can be approximated by dividing the focal length of the lens by 100.
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« Reply #1139 on: September 21, 2024, 02:12:40 »
The 400mm lens will -- roughly -- produce a circle with diametre 4mm on the FX sensor of the Z8. Thus the lens is "too short" to allow apparent close-ups of the moon with that camera.

With that base, one could still get the moon to cover >900 pixels, which is 3x that in Bent's posted image.

Of course more magnification is better, but just to illustrate, here are two tight 100% crops, one with the 300PF and one with the 500PF on the Z8 captured shortly after moonrise. The light on the nearly full moon is pretty flat and does not enhance details, but they illustrate the coverage, with the reservation that this was one of the four supermoons that appeared in a row from July 3 onwards, so appearing a little larger than the average.
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