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Re: NX-D
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2015, 07:10:52 »
ThomasAdams: Currently I am very happy with RAW-development in PhotoNinja and editing in PhotoshopCC with the Plugins PTLens and Google Nik Collection

PhotoNinja offers a very good calibrated RAW-Conversion and with these great TIFFs I can enter Photoshop, geometry correct for lens errors in PTLens and then I have the whole powerful palette I hat in NX2 ("Viveza") and the filter collection.

It is tough a bit slow for large number professional jobs

Going back to CaptureNX2 is no option for me, because I bring Fuji and Nikon Files back from every event and with PhotoNinja I can now treat both in the same workflow.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2015, 03:42:55 »
Frank,
 It sounds like you have figured out a workflow that suits you well. Perhaps it may be time to pony up and get PS (I have a version but it is really old!). I then could at least use the Nik plugins in something a touch faster when needed. I had read other posts concerning PhotoNinja, perhaps I should give it a try as I haven't tested i t out (at least not that I can recall  ;)). Do you keep the .tif's or discard them after obtaining the image you want?

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2015, 15:08:03 »
Tom, it is not necessary to create a tiff when moving an image from Photo Ninja to PS.  You can set PN up as a filter in PS, so that the image flows seamlessly from PN to Ps.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2015, 23:09:37 »
I tried both of them (CNX-D and ViewNX-I) and really could not like either one for a multitude of reasons. .....
 The menu items seem to just mush together I am sure I could become more familiar with the icons overtime thus speeding up the workflow.

I never found the UI confusing enough to discount the software(Ps takes the cake here! :p)
Within a few minutes I find all I need to do and use effectively.
I really want to like NX-D, but am having a hard time doing so. VNX2 should have evolved into this software. I like the colour processing tools in NX-D and the simple sharpening tools, etc... where VNX2 was just a bit too basic in the tools it had. My major issue with NX-D is that it's so slow and buggy, and considering the shift from Nikon to using sidecar files to make the workflow process quicker, it's backfired massively on my PC .. VNX2 is near instantaneous on my PC(except on files now located on a NAS tho). All locally stored files(SATA and USB3 drives) are instantaneously edited in VNX2.


.... And while there may be a few gems there are simply too many hurdles for myself to overcome and venture into further use....
Like I said, VNX2 was just a touch too basic with it's tools, and I never liked the way it never cooperated properly with CNX2.
But I like that NX-D has the (basic) LCH, levels/curves, lens correction tools that VNX2 should have had years ago. And of course the sharpening and NR tools too.. all of which VNX2 didn't have, or were grossly inadequate.
But then Nikon in their wisdom, decide that adding or editing keyword/tagged/ITPC data was no longer necessary, even tho they try to pitch this software as their professional editing solution!

.. Then there is that voice in my head - when Nikon loses this contract or the company gets bought out like the last one... I fear I will be in the same boat. Looking for yet another raw processor/Image editor.
This scenario couldn't come quicker I reckon! :D
I've been looking for another software solution for ages .. basically ever since Nikon announced cessation of support for CNX2 and VNX2 and that VNX-i and CNX-D are now their prime software products.
If they announce some miracle new software to properly replace CNX2, hopefully I can stop trialing software that I know I won't fully get along with.

It does seem that this cycle of Nikon and their software keeps spinning and while they have mixed it up (made by nikon and 3rd parties) they seem to miss the mark more often than not. For my uses NX/NX2 really worked well for me and while I still use it, I am reminded constantly that may days are numbered which leads often leads me to go on download sprees to test trials of other products. The list continues to grow... I really hope that the current iteration of Nikon software matures (soon), but the real question is what will it mature into and will it be something I can use?

Your uses with the older NXes mirrors mine. I'm not a pro, but sometimes I had to deal with batchloads of images I wanted to process in bulk .. and both VNX and CNX were perfectly adequate for my usage.
I have no plans to update my cameras(mainly D800E, and occasionally D300) simply due to a complete lack of support for new cameras in the old software(which is what I still use).

I won't install VNX-i again, as Øivind says .. it uninstalls VNX2, which I rely on massively heavily! I need it for it's ability to tag my images with keywords, which are stored within the NEF file(which is where I want that metadata).

And another question. Do you think Nikon was better off developing their own software or do you think they are better off leaving it to others? I know at one time many people held the opinion that Nikon needed to give up the software end of it, I may have as well at times. Has your opinion on this (if you had one) changed? ...

Whether Nikon develop their own software or contract that process out isn't important! What's important is that whatever choice they make on software, it has to be an overall best option for us the customer.

That is, if they have no real commitment to an excellent software workflow process, then get out of it completely(not this half arsed, crapful SilkyPix rubbish) .. and give the people that actually do know about software all the necessary information required to fully and properly decode the NEF file type!
Otherwise do it properly themselves, that is themselves directly by employing software specialists .. or contract it out to one of the millions of software developers out there that are more than capable of doing it right!
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2015, 19:34:32 »
I use CNX2. I tried CNXD but couldn't figure out how to do one edit multiple times. For example, multiple high pass sharpening at 1 pixel instead of once with more pixels. I also like to apply an initial contrast curve then add a second or third for further enhancing. If it is possible, I never found it.

Additionally, I shoot primarily IR. I like to drag a WB marquee around the entire image. I didn't see how to do that either.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2015, 00:00:04 »
Both a High Pass Tool and Edit Steps are missing from this NX-D wretched piece of software. So there is no way to perform a High Pass Overlay for sharpening, much less perform two in a row for a subtle sharpening effect in NX-D.

NX-D only permits additional tweaks to in-camera settings along with a bit of global curve/levels work. But there is absolutely no way you can produce a finished foto in NX-D like we could so easily in NX2.

It may be that my D810 is the last Nikon I ever buy because what is the point of having all those lovely in-camera settings if they cannot be easily preserved and edited upon as we could do in CNX2 which was so fast and easy to use? If I have to crank out a TIFF and move back to "PS and layering" to deal with my Nikon files, then my work is slowed down and photos begin to get that "cooked" PS look (...my personal opinion only, please do not take offence, I probably just do not use PS well...) instead of the natural look I could get with CNX2. Foo !!

I really hate myself for clinging to this rapidly going-out-of-date CNX2. I have really really tried to learn and like other editing software. The learning is easy enough but the liking is lagging. And I just don't feel like I'm getting what I want except for perhaps Photo Ninja. PN does create a very good TIFF but PN sorely needs some local edit capability and much better batching before it can be considered a "pro" app.

OK rantlet over. I'm sure we former CNX2 lovers will all figure out something.  ;D

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2015, 01:20:34 »
Andrea

I use PN for raw conversion and PS for polishing.  You can set PN as a filter in PS, so the workflow is similar to ACR into PS without the need to create a tiff.  It works really well.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2015, 01:42:08 »
Andrea

I use PN for raw conversion and PS for polishing.  You can set PN as a filter in PS, so the workflow is similar to ACR into PS without the need to create a tiff.  It works really well.

Can you use all the PN features like this?

Edit: Anthony, I tried it. I put the effort in and voila it really works!!!
Thank you so much, you've enlightened me!!! No TIFFs any longer and no Camera RAW any longer. Open your NEF in PhotoNinja, when done with one click of a button it opens up in Photoshop. (then you are free to create a TIFF if you feel like it, but only if you feel like it)


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Re: NX-D
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2015, 03:43:27 »
Both a High Pass Tool and Edit Steps are missing from this NX-D wretched piece of software. So there is no way to perform a High Pass Overlay for sharpening, much less perform two in a row for a subtle sharpening effect in NX-D.

NX-D only permits additional tweaks to in-camera settings along with a bit of global curve/levels work. But there is absolutely no way you can produce a finished foto in NX-D like we could so easily in NX2.

It may be that my D810 is the last Nikon I ever buy because what is the point of having all those lovely in-camera settings if they cannot be easily preserved and edited upon as we could do in CNX2 which was so fast and easy to use? If I have to crank out a TIFF and move back to "PS and layering" to deal with my Nikon files, then my work is slowed down and photos begin to get that "cooked" PS look (...my personal opinion only, please do not take offence, I probably just do not use PS well...) instead of the natural look I could get with CNX2. Foo !!

I really hate myself for clinging to this rapidly going-out-of-date CNX2. I have really really tried to learn and like other editing software. The learning is easy enough but the liking is lagging. And I just don't feel like I'm getting what I want except for perhaps Photo Ninja. PN does create a very good TIFF but PN sorely needs some local edit capability and much better batching before it can be considered a "pro" app.

OK rantlet over. I'm sure we former CNX2 lovers will all figure out something.  ;D

I am in the same boat. And I might have written it before, but the ability to continue editing in CNX2 was a deciding factor with my last camera body purchase, a D7100; othewise I would have likely gone for D7200, or tried to wait even a little bit longer... .  The very occasional dark shadow banding if I really mess up exposure, and low buffer will have less impact on my performance and comfort in work flow than if I had to go to the non-Adobe alternatives (not liking the Adobe alternatives). On Windows it seems to be little worry that we have to resort to using it in a VM in the foreseeable future, as it is listed to be compatible with Win10.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2015, 13:05:59 »
Can you use all the PN features like this?

Edit: Anthony, I tried it. I put the effort in and voila it really works!!!
Thank you so much, you've enlightened me!!! No TIFFs any longer and no Camera RAW any longer. Open your NEF in PhotoNinja, when done with one click of a button it opens up in Photoshop. (then you are free to create a TIFF if you feel like it, but only if you feel like it)
Glad to be of help.

For those who use Photo Mechanic, set the PM preferences so that the preferred program for editing is Photoshop.  This will cause PN to open as a Photoshop filter, then proceed as normal.  (This assumes you have set PN and PS up as recommended by Picturecode).
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2016, 19:19:40 »
Soooooo....

with the D500 everything changed. The 1.4/24G is my favourite lens again. Was on the D3 not so much on the D600.

AND ... Capture NX-D is back in the Front Seat!!!

I simply cannot achieve a decent conversion with PN.

Even ACR which I hate is better. Currently I use PN for D600 and X100T.

I really started a love affair with NX-D. It simply creates superb output of D500 RAWs.

Now I start to understand the interface also.

It gets better every day!
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2016, 20:17:34 »
There's something else, I think. The latest version of NX-D seems me to be quite a bit better than the older ones - faster and more stable, even on slower computers. Nikon seems to have put some real effort into the software, I think. And as someone who didn't use any other RAW converter for any length of time over the past few years, I find UI to be pretty logical and straightforward as well.

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