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Frank Fremerey

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NX-D
« on: September 22, 2015, 09:57:07 »
After being heavy user of Nikon Capture 3 and 4 including Camera Control and Nikon Capture NX and NX2 today I have not even installed NX-D.

Currently I use photo ninja 125 with Andrea and Bjørn being my guides for the first steps. Plus Photoshop CC and Google Nik and Tom Niemans PT Lens.

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NX-D???

Please?
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 14:34:59 »
I installed NX-D and took a look at it. It seems to be software for people who are not really photographers and/or are satisfied with results which are, at best, a compromise. I won't be using it.

If/when I buy a camera which NX-2 can't handle, I will use ACR or Iridient. I like Iridient a lot, but it doesn't fit easily into my normal workflow, unfortunately. That is something I hope to change because as well as its very comprehensive conversion/editing tools, it has the best sharpening algorithms in the business. It is also very inexpensive.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2015, 14:39:27 »
Have you tried PhotoNinja, Dave?

I keep hearing good things about Iridient, by the way. A pity it is Mac only.


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Re: NX-D
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2015, 15:33:34 »
I have installed NX-d twice, 1. when it just came out , uninstalled it after a couple of days, 2. Again a few months later after it has had a few fixes , uninstalled it after a couple of hours.

I used CNX2 exclusively from 2009 until 2014 and really liked the results, took me quite a while to finally figure out ACR to get results that are very close to what I can achieve from CNX2, and the two areas where I think the nikon software is unique are :

1. colors and contrast look EXACTLY as they are shown on the camera, ACR gets a very close approximation ones selects the right camera profile, I have tried PN a couple of times and I have so far being unsuccessful to get the colors I want
2. Sharpness, the images processed by CNX2 seem sharp with no artifacts, the images I process via ACR are now very close to those results, but I have to be careful so noise doesn't become a problem, PN gets also very sharp images, and also have to careful not to create artifacts


CNXD is terrible slow and unresponsive on my laptop running Win 7 , SSD and 8GB RAM

I have tried canon software, Fuji software, Sigma software, LR, PS ... and so far I think NXD is the slowest - that is hard to accomplish considering the Sigma software is in the comparison -  and my opinion is that it has one of the ugliest and  less professional looking interfaces , NXD is a very significant step back from the latest CNX2 version.
One should not forget that the processed files from NXD look just as good as the files processed by CNX2, but if you need to edit more than 1 file .... the performance and usability quickly become a huge hindrance.
And there is the functional differences vs CNX2, mostly around selective edits, but I will not get into that.

NXD is THE REASON I looked for alternatives to do the NEF processing.

I still on occasions use CNX2
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2015, 18:10:24 »
Have you tried PhotoNinja, Dave?
I keep hearing good things about Iridient, by the way. A pity it is Mac only.

No, I haven't but I may do so soon. With NX-D almost useless and NX-2 not being developed beyond its current state, there is room for another dependable raw converter. I had forgotten that Iridient is Mac-only - a pity, as you say. It is an excellent piece of software but a little awkward for my workflow. I don't like DxO, and that leaves only ACR in the heavyweight division of conversion softs. Bjørn J. and I have been chatting about ACR, and I have been trying it again after a long period of non-use. It is certainly much better than it used to be, but I still find it hard to like. But - and this an the important point - with Bjørn's help I discovered that some very unpleasant blotchy noise I was having trouble with, was being introduced by NX-2. Processing the files in ACR gave a much cleaner, and blotch-free, result. A series of simple tests since that discovery show that, with longish exposures (5-25secs), NX-2 introduces blotchy artefacts at ISO400 and above, which cannot be eradicated by any noise-reduction software (and I have several).

I do agree with Armando, however, that NX-2 produces the best and most accurate colour, and for that reason alone I will probably continue to use it for files where noise is unlikely to be a problem.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2015, 19:05:26 »
Iridient does not appear to support D4s and D810 yet. I am still using CNX-2, even for D810 (but must convert to TIFF first in that case). Haven't made up my mind concerning a good alternative to CNX-2 yet (however, NX-D is nothing for me).
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2015, 19:53:31 »
Iridient does not appear to support D4s and D810 yet. I am still using CNX-2, even for D810 (but must convert to TIFF first in that case). Haven't made up my mind concerning a good alternative to CNX-2 yet (however, NX-D is nothing for me).

Sorry, Tersn, but you are wrong there. If you look at their current list of supported cameras (http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/rawdeveloper_cameras.html) you will see that both the D4S aand D810 are supported. Even the D810A is on the  list.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2015, 20:02:56 »
I wonder if anyone else has tried Affinity yet? It is a bit of a complex wrench for me after using such simple software (NX2, Photo Ninja) for the last gazillion years. But it does seem promising. I think I might keep trying to learn it.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2015, 20:50:18 »
Andrea, i have. But, don't get your hopes up on the raw conversion abilities  :(

The image editing seems quite alright (keep in mind i'm not, nor have i ever been, a photoshop heavy user). Most stuff is there that one would find in photoshop or alike.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2015, 21:16:15 »
Sorry, Tersn, but you are wrong there. If you look at their current list of supported cameras (http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/rawdeveloper_cameras.html) you will see that both the D4S aand D810 are supported. Even the D810A is on the  list.

I think that is good (nothing to be sorry about) :)  For some (unknown) reason I must have opened an old camera list for Iridient.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 18:38:57 »
Hans, yes I do see that the generic profile is not quite right yet for my d810 in Affinity. I tried to determine how to add camera profiles to Affinity but have not yet figured it out.

I am intrigued by the fact that Affinity offers localization of the raw edits in the Develop Persona prior to moving to the Edit Persona (or whatever it is called??). For anyone not familiar with Affinity, the Develop Persona is equivalent to ACR. Either Develop or ACR are used before moving into the main tools area of Affinity or Photoshop, respectively.

This thread prompts me to download up-to-date versions of NXD and ViewNX2. Just to see what is going on. In the past I have found that ViewNX2 was easy enough to use in order to preserve Nikon's in-camera settings (which I really like to make use of) and to easily convert the NEF to a TIF for further edits.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 18:45:38 »
I agree with HCS, Affinity's raw conversion is not great.  PN is noticeably better.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 18:53:52 »
Hans, yes I do see that the generic profile is not quite right yet for my d810 in Affinity. I tried to determine how to add camera profiles to Affinity but have not yet figured it out.

I am intrigued by the fact that Affinity offers localization of the raw edits in the Develop Persona prior to moving to the Edit Persona (or whatever it is called??). For anyone not familiar with Affinity, the Develop Persona is equivalent to ACR. Either Develop or ACR are used before moving into the main tools area of Affinity or Photoshop, respectively.

This thread prompts me to download up-to-date versions of NXD and ViewNX2. Just to see what is going on. In the past I have found that ViewNX2 was easy enough to use in order to preserve Nikon's in-camera settings (which I really like to make use of) and to easily convert the NEF to a TIF for further edits.

I never stopped using ViewNX2.
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Re: NX-D
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 21:54:40 »
I just downloaded NX-D and am giving it a spin. My opinion so far is that NX-D is definitely not a replacement for Capture NX2. Too much has gone missing. I am certainly not the first one to say this!

NX-D Ergonomics:  Mostly very painful. A couple of good things.
  • The app is all black background in preview pane and toolbars. When I get the tools open that I want to use, it is difficult to find them quickly and to find particular parts of them.
  • In the Edit palette, there seems to be no logic behind the placement of the tool icons. Six of them are on separate menu bars. The remainder are on one menu bar.
  • When I apply an edit, the preview has one of those totally annoying refresh "hiccups". The preview goes black and redraws in jerky chunks. I'm on a fast 64-bit machine, so there is no excuse for this. A couple of times the preview went black and never returned at all!!
  • The app is sloooooow. Again, no excuse.
  • Nice feature: Split screen for before and after views of foto edits. I like that. But if you have tools open, they cover some of the after preview.
  • Good thing:  Cmd-H and Cmd-S still trigger blown highlights and blocked shadows. But now it works even if the cursor is not over the foto.
Can I do what I need to do to get a NEF on its way as a TIF for further sharpening and editing? Let's see....

To mimic NX2's Develop section, click the NX-D white balance, picture control, exposure control, noise reduction and camera corrections icons. 
  • In-camera settings for white balance, picture control, noise and active d-lighting can be tweaked as though still in-camera. Also distortions or CA control can be enabled. All these settings work as they do in NX2.
  • Noise reduction: Whether or not you enable NR in-camera, the NR tool provided in Develop always worked well, imho. Works still the same in NX-D. I can see myself maybe using NX-D occasionally on certain files because of Nikon's good NR.
  • White balance: No more capability to draw a marquee of any size for white balance averaging. Only a little box can be drawn with the gray dropper. I'm not sure this would greatly affect my work, but I still would miss it.
  • NX-D permits use of the new Pic Controls with the clarity slider even if the foto under edit was made on an older camera. That is nice.
To mimix NX2 Quick Fix settings, it is slightly trickier. Click the NX-D exposure control (if not used above), tone and tone detail icons.
  • You will get the old NX2 Quick Fix exposure/contrast/highlight/shadow/saturation sliders and also sliders for brightness/D-lighting. The Quick Fix histogram can be replicated by the LCH tool.
  • The Tone slider for D-lighting is not the same as in-camera ADL.
  • Dealing with highlights/shadows/brightness/saturation in NX2 was always best done, imho, with those wonderful colour control points, so I never made much use of the Quick Fix sliders except for the exposure compensation slider. YMMV, of course.
  • The LCH tool is great. Works just like in NX2. For Quick Fix replication, I used LCH's histogram to fine tune black/white point settings and for the usual global curving which I used to do on the QF histo.
At this point NEF development could be considered complete, just as it would in NX2. So you could Save As a TIFF and finish local edits elsewhere. Save As has been renamed Convert File. And NX-D has no blankety-blank idea where the file came from originally, so just like in NX2 you have to lead the app to the location where you want the saved file to land. Geez, even my lowly PSElements knows where the original file lived when doing a Save As.

NX-D offers a bit more for global edits: LCH (Lightness, Saturation, Hue panels), Levels & Curves, Straighten and Unsharp Mask. The NX2 LCH tool I always thought to be excellent and I used it a lot. However, I always made the most use of it for local edits by applying changes with the NX2 Brush.

My personal opinion on Unsharp Mask, in either NX2 or NX-D, is that I infinitely prefer Nikon's in-camera Sharpness setting for getting the fuzz off the photo prior to more sophisticated sharpening techniques. That Pic Control setting is very interesting. I've never quite been able to replicate it with USM, although I grant you I probably did not try too hard. "-)

Gaussian blur is gone, so no more sharpening via a 2-pixel gaussian blur overlay. I used that a LOT in NX2 for local detail work.

I think that if I use NX-D at all - perhaps for some D810 work -  it would be by creating a preset for a particular shoot and batching out some TIFs. The slowness of the app and the general clunkiness makes one-at-a-time foto edits way too tedious.

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Re: NX-D
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 22:14:38 »
Screen shot of my NX-D workspace.

I opened and docked the tools I would most likely use frequently. You can see that some different colour bars would be useful for finding your way around the docked tools.

Of course you could leave the tools all undocked and only click them open them as you need them. But I work back & forth between the settings, changing things more than once before I'm happy with a final result.