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Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« on: November 08, 2021, 17:15:31 »
New roadmap published by Nikon. Notice the small size of the DX 12-28mm and the PF? 400mm.


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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 17:53:59 »
Think we need to check these out at Nivo when they are launched, vaguely remember us meeting for a similar launch event many moons ago but can’t remember if it was for the Sony a7, Nikon Df or something else haha.

The announced tele’s look very promising, if the 100-400mm is even close to what my Canon 100-400 was than it is already a winner but I expect it to be even better as it was reported to be on par with the current 180-400/4 F lens in sharpness. The 400mm and 800mm appear to be PF lenses which would be complementary to the current 300/4 PF and 500/5.6 PF offerings.

I do expect the tele lenses to be suitable for landscape and slow action work only during bright conditions on the current Z6/7 I/II models but that the new Z9 autofocus system is needed for fast action and low light performance. Currently I use the 200-500VR on the Z6 for product shots but switch to the D500 for action and low light stuff and will only consider a Zee tele whenever a decently priced Zee body becomes available with the new AF technology (learned my lesson the hard way on the Sony a7RII).

The 85/1.2 is shorter than the 50/1.2 but seems to be getting a massive front element and fat body design, wow what a monster lens.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 18:20:25 »
That 26mm looks smaller than the FTZ. It would turn my Z6 into a pocket cam.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 20:49:31 »
The new 400mm lens is very short so it must be a PF lens. The top looks about the same width as the 58 Noct, which suggests a 95mm filter size. If so, the maximum aperture would be f/4.5. With a 1.4x TC you would get a 560/6.3 lens. The lens/TC combination brackets the 500/5.6PF lens. I wonder why Nikon choose to make two telephotos which are so similar in focal length and speed?

The 400/2.8 TC allows the photographer to quickly switch between 400/2.8 and 560/4. You may wonder why Nikon has a 600/4 in its roadmap given that it has a very close focal length and speed. I fully expect the 600/4 also has a built-in TC which allows the photographer to switch from 600/4 to 840/5.6. Depending on your requirements for reach and aperture, you would have the choice of a 400/560mm lens or a 600/840mm lens

The 800mm lens is also very short so must be another PF lens. If the aperture is f/5.6 it would require the same size front element as the 400/2.8, and it would duplicate the 600/4 TC. The profile looks a bit smaller which suggests the aperture is f/6.3. It looks like this lens is designed to have very long reach while being more portable than the other big primes (without going to the extreme as the Canon 800/11 lens)


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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 21:11:51 »
The new 400mm lens is very short so it must be a PF lens. The top looks about the same width as the 58 Noct, which suggests a 95mm filter size. If so, the maximum aperture would be f/4.5. With a 1.4x TC you would get a 560/6.3 lens. The lens/TC combination brackets the 500/5.6PF lens. I wonder why Nikon choose to make two telephotos which are so similar in focal length and speed?

In response to wondering about why Nikon makes a close range of telephotos, I think many lenses are in a ratio of square root of two (approx 1.4) - For example 25mm, 36mm, 50mm, 70mm, 100mm, 140mm, 200mm, 280mm, 400mm, 560mm, 800mm. Most people don't want to use a teleconverter if they don't need to.

Also, the new lens can be used on Z models without FTZ, also simplifying things. When this lineup is completed it is likely that the 500mm F mount will be near end of life.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2021, 21:32:50 »
I am interested in the 200-600 zoom even that it is not a S-line so probably priced similar to the 200-500?
I avoided the 200-500 when I saw the 200-600 was on the Z-roadmap.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2021, 21:57:30 »
Think we need to check these out at Nivo when they are launched, vaguely remember us meeting for a similar launch event many moons ago but can’t remember if it was for the Sony a7, Nikon Df or something else haha.

Hi Jan Anne, that was the Df launch at Nivo. Was nice and so were the conversation and beers at the pub after the launch :D

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2021, 22:00:12 »
I am interested in the 200-600 zoom even that it is not a S-line so probably priced similar to the 200-500?
I avoided the 200-500 when I saw the 200-600 was on the Z-roadmap.
The F 200-500mm is almost to cheap for its performance. I wouldn't bet on a Z equivalent being similarly priced. I would guess 1,5-2x the price of the 200-500mm.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2021, 22:08:53 »
The F 200-500mm is almost to cheap for its performance. I wouldn't bet on a Z equivalent being similarly priced. I would guess 1,5-2x the price of the 200-500mm.
It’s my opinion too, I’ ll Stick with 200-500 8)

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2021, 22:34:05 »
I wonder if the 200-600 will have built-in VR?
In most 200-500 reviews the reviewer complains that he needed several samples to get a good one?

I could probably go to a shop and ask if it was ok to try it out first before making the purchase and then test if is was 100% sharp at 500mm at full aperture.

Will wait to see the 200-600 price level and performance.

A shame that there is no road map for future Z-bodies?
A higher resolution DX body with IBIS would make sense for my use.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2021, 22:57:14 »
I wonder if the 200-600 will have built-in VR?
Any Z lens with focal length up to 200mm and longer will have built-in VR. IBIS works best with shorter focal lengths it becomes less effective with telephotos, while lens-based VR works very well with telephotos.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2021, 08:19:52 »
Ok, good to know. I can also see from roadmap that lens gets its "full name" when it is released.
It must be some "marketing stunt" as I assume Nikon knows aperture of the roadmap lenses etc.

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2021, 08:48:00 »
That 26mm looks smaller than the FTZ. It would turn my Z6 into a pocket cam.
it should have been 24mm, much more useful in my opinion :o :o :o

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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2021, 09:04:16 »
I wonder if the 200-600 will have built-in VR?
In most 200-500 reviews the reviewer complains that he needed several samples to get a good one?

I could probably go to a shop and ask if it was ok to try it out first before making the purchase and then test if is was 100% sharp at 500mm at full aperture.

Will wait to see the 200-600 price level and performance.

A shame that there is no road map for future Z-bodies?
A higher resolution DX body with IBIS would make sense for my use.
The Sony 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 OSS is a good giveaway of what the Nikon version could look like, its a little longer than the 200-500VR but its an internal zoom so a lot shorter when fully deployed. The Nikon is a constant f/5.6 where the Sony is f/6.3 at 500 to 600mm so a little slower but the latter is also lighter in weight, so its minor pros and cons for both lenses and the deciding factor will be to personal taste as usually is the case in life.

Price wise the 200-500VR is €1429 here in Europe and the much newer 200-600OSS €1900.

This review compares both and declared the Nikkor the winner on sharpness but this might depend on sample variations:
https://youtu.be/iM1C3IVu1d4
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Re: Nikon Z lenses roadmap (October 2021)
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2021, 16:32:49 »
my $0.02c. I think Nikon have been shrewd with exploiting their strengths in Phase-Fresnel technology and optimizing a built-in Teleconverter in telephotos. This not only highlights the qualities of the Z system across the industry, but will persuade owners of any of the excellent F-mount telephotos to invest in Z telephotos. It is to be expected those entirely new Nikon and/or buying back into Nikon will rather buy Z mount than F telephotos....the 400 f4.5 PF may also tempt many F mount shooters who have been hoping for this. Again Nikon scores more Z mount users.

A 800 f6.3 PF can be expected to get a welcome reception, especially if it can perform well as a 1120 f9 with Z-TC14. The first feedback on the 100-400 f4.5/5.6S reports favourable on its IQ and AF on the Z9 with ZTC2 at f11.

Overall, slate 2018, within 4-5 years Nikon will have populated a most impressive Mirrorless lens system. The U-wides and primes get positive reviews.

The new 400mm lens is very short so it must be a PF lens. The top looks about the same width as the 58 Noct, which suggests a 95mm filter size. If so, the maximum aperture would be f/4.5. With a 1.4x TC you would get a 560/6.3 lens. The lens/TC combination brackets the 500/5.6PF lens. I wonder why Nikon choose to make two telephotos which are so similar in focal length and speed?

The 400/2.8 TC allows the photographer to quickly switch between 400/2.8 and 560/4. You may wonder why Nikon has a 600/4 in its roadmap given that it has a very close focal length and speed. I fully expect the 600/4 also has a built-in TC which allows the photographer to switch from 600/4 to 840/5.6. Depending on your requirements for reach and aperture, you would have the choice of a 400/560mm lens or a 600/840mm lens

The 800mm lens is also very short so must be another PF lens. If the aperture is f/5.6 it would require the same size front element as the 400/2.8, and it would duplicate the 600/4 TC. The profile looks a bit smaller which suggests the aperture is f/6.3. It looks like this lens is designed to have very long reach while being more portable than the other big primes (without going to the extreme as the Canon 800/11 lens)
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