Author Topic: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter  (Read 3384 times)

Ian Watson

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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2024, 20:31:26 »
Just to clarify, would setting the aperture on a chipped AI lens using the aperture ring work on a Zf or would the aperture need to be set on the body?

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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2024, 21:16:14 »
On an Ai I also need to set it on the body. Ai-s just the control dial.
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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2024, 21:31:41 »
Just to clarify, would setting the aperture on a chipped AI lens using the aperture ring work on a Zf or would the aperture need to be set on the body?

No, or Yes. It all depends on the technology applied.

Viltrox and Voigtländer make native Z lenses for which you can set the aperture directly on the lens and this is communicated electronically to the camera. This is accomplished without any mechanicl aperture lever in the lens. The camera will electronically stop down the lens correctly when the shutter release is operated.

For a 'chipped' F-mount lens on the FTZ or similar adapter, there is an aperture lever on the front side, but not on the rear, ie. facing the Z camers. Neither is there any aperture follower. The information sent to the camera via the electronics in the adapter is what aperture the lens will stop down to, when the aperture lever is released during the exposure. Since there is no aperture follower, the camera cannot know what setting is set on the lens, unless the nominal setting is relayed to the Z body via the FTZ/FTZ.2. I deliberately say 'nominal' as there is nothing preventing you from rotating the lens aperture ring to say f/4 whilst the chip tells you intend it to be f/8 or something else. The release of the aperture lever from the camera's side, at exposure time,  will stop down the lens to whatever value commanded by the actual aperture set, or, to the end position controlled by the physical ring position. Thus, if you set by default the lens to the minimum aperture f/22 or whatever, all is working as expected. Otherwise gross overexposures can occur.

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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2024, 15:07:54 »
Thank you for the detailed explanation, Birna. It seems that a native Voigtländer is necessary for enjoying both focus confirmation in the viewfinder and adjusting the aperture via a ring on the lens.

Thank you Richard, for the advice to set the aperture on both the lens and the body with chipped AI lenses. That is something I am bound to forget in the moment. I will enjoy my lenses as they are.

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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2024, 16:21:46 »
Just make it a habit to lock your 'chipped' lenses at their minimum aperture, then the only option is to set aperture from the camera side. Whilst this introduces the dreaded non-optimal ergonomy from the 'G' er aof Nikkors, it will remove any error in aperture setting,

However, I do get focus confirmation in the viewfinder, even with pin-point focus selected, with my 'chipped' F-mount lenses. Thus the chip itself factors into the final equation.

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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2024, 16:05:17 »
Ai lenses (indeed all lenses) misbehave if their aperture stop down spring has become tired over time. 

Always check that this spring is in good strong condition, else stopping down consistency becomes lost, thereby adding an extra layer of complexity in gauging aperture response behaviour.  My chipped 105mm f/2.5 (K-type) is due for a fresh new spring because of this reason.

Locking your aperture at the minimum setting is probably also good for promoting spring longevity.

In somewhat well behaved AI lenses where one can adjust the aperture lever, it may be possible to optimize performance within a limited range of apertures controlled from the camera body. For instance my chipped 55mm f/3.5 Ai provides a pretty linear aperture response in the f/3.5 to f/11 range after adjustment, whereas at the f/16 setting which I do not care much about, it is pretty abruptly stopped down to f/22.
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Re: How to see the Aperture of MF-Lenses through the FTZ-Adapter
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2024, 04:02:49 »
Ai lenses (indeed all lenses) misbehave if their aperture stop down spring has become tired over time. 

Always check that this spring is in good strong condition, else stopping down consistency becomes lost, thereby adding an extra layer of complexity in gauging aperture response behaviour.  My chipped 105mm f/2.5 (K-type) is due for a fresh new spring because of this reason.

Locking your aperture at the minimum setting is probably also good for promoting spring longevity.

This would cause overexposure, not undexposure. However I have a second copy of the 55mm f/3.5 that might possibly have the weak spring problem, although in that particular case it also seemed to be wear on the aperture mechanism itself that prevented the operation.

Note that I made some curious observations as to how lens name with one of Birna's chips is recorded (not the lens shot info) depending on whether the Z8 body was powered or not during mounting. I started a new thread on the topic here:
https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=10968.msg199928
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