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Title: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 28, 2020, 16:03:16
Saw these four AI(s) Nikkor lenses sold by same seller...


Would you pay EUR1.000 for it??
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Birna Rørslett on December 28, 2020, 16:05:31
Probably, given what is lurking amongst these items :)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Fons Baerken on December 28, 2020, 16:15:20
The bottom lens 105/4.5 probably meant to be 105mm f/4 or is it the uv lens? that should be interesting!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 28, 2020, 16:32:52
Probably, given what is lurking amongst these items :)

ehemm, I (nearly) wanted to beg you Birna not to comment - for obvious reasons... ;-)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 28, 2020, 16:33:58
The bottom lens 105/4.5 probably meant to be 105mm f/4 or is it the uv lens? that should be interesting!

hmm, that serial number starts with 20xxxxxx. Those two clues were enough for me.
Thought it would make a nice Christmas present  ;)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on December 28, 2020, 23:44:16
hmm, that serial number starts with 20xxxxxx. Those two clues were enough for me.
Thought it would make a nice Christmas present  ;)

I'm supposing you have already purchased it?
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 29, 2020, 11:01:28
I'm supposing you have already purchased it?
Honestly?? Of course, would you pass a "once in a lifetime" chance??  ;D
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 29, 2020, 16:20:47
Well, my present has arrived....
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on December 29, 2020, 16:46:57
Lucky man I’ve got only 2/4 :)
50/1.2 could my a nice idea
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on December 29, 2020, 17:49:10
Wow, Klaus, you got the UV Nikkor for 1/4 of a usual price and the rest for free!  Congrats!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on December 29, 2020, 18:11:35
Wow, Klaus, you got the UV Nikkor for 1/4 of a usual price and the rest for free!  Congrats!
To be honest I didn’t knew the price of the UV 105 that’s amazing!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Danulon on December 29, 2020, 18:41:27
What is so special about that lens?
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 29, 2020, 18:45:15
Wow, Klaus, you got the UV Nikkor for 1/4 of a usual price and the rest for free!  Congrats!

I was sure, you would see that! Yes, hence why I offered that seller a good price for the set!  ;-)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 29, 2020, 18:46:28
What is so special about that lens?

Look here, most on my site is done with that special quartz/fluorite UV lens http://uvir.eu (http://uvir.eu)

Basically it is about this, making the (for us) invisible UV (300-400nm), visible (as we see only 400-750nm)!

Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on December 29, 2020, 20:39:37
To be honest I didn’t knew the price of the UV 105 that’s amazing!

The UV "Nikkor" has long been discontinued but it is still available from Tochigi Nikon as "UV 105" on order.  When I inquired about the price several years ago, it was about 5,000 USD brand new.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Danulon on December 29, 2020, 20:49:28
Look here, most on my site is done with that special quartz/fluorite UV lens http://uvir.eu (http://uvir.eu)

Basically it is about this, making the (for us) invisible UV (300-400nm), visible (as we see only 400-750nm)!
Danke für die Information, Klaus!So this lens actually lets you take UV images?I assumed that a sensor modification was needed for UV images...
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Birna Rørslett on December 29, 2020, 21:05:59
Most modern cameras need to be modified in order to capture a UV image. Plus, having a UV-capable lens in addition makes the challenges easier to tackle.

I own several UV-Nikkors myself and in fact, bought one of them from Klaus many years ago.

Much more about UV is to be found at our sister site, https://www.ultravioletphotography.com/content/
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 29, 2020, 22:43:58
Danke für die Information, Klaus!So this lens actually lets you take UV images?I assumed that a sensor modification was needed for UV images...

Most welcome! Yes, cameras need to have their sensor filter replaced with an UV capable window, ideally fused silica, which I prefer. A lot of
companies offer that now; most of them listed on my site and indeed also at ultravioletphotography.com, as Birna has already mentioned.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MILLIREHM on December 30, 2020, 00:05:51
What a great deal Klaus - you have got three good lenses (that look OK as far as i can see) plus the elusive 105 mm f/4,5 UV-Micro-Nikkor for free! congratulations!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on December 30, 2020, 10:49:49
What a great deal Klaus - you have got three good lenses (that look OK as far as i can see) plus the elusive 105 mm f/4,5 UV-Micro-Nikkor for free! congratulations!

Danke Wolfgang! Indeed a very lucky catch!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Erik Lund on January 01, 2021, 18:48:12
Nice find! Congratulation
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 02, 2021, 12:13:43
Thnks Erik!

Happy New Year (to all)!!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Frank Fremerey on January 02, 2021, 19:03:35
Thnks Erik!

Happy New Year (to all)!!

what did you pay in the end?
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 02, 2021, 21:53:40
what did you pay in the end?

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MEPER on January 03, 2021, 12:19:59
There is a brand new UV-Nikkor available here......and the British £ is relative low.....
https://shop.graysofwestminster.co.uk/product/105mm-f-4-5-uv-nikkor-ais/

.....there seems to be more in the box that just the lens......
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on January 03, 2021, 12:40:45
I have two UR-2 50x50mm filter holder lying around.  It is handy but its rear thread is weird 60mm P0.5mm which makes its use limited on AF-1.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: mxbianco on January 03, 2021, 13:30:34
With such a lowball figure, in Italy we would say

Hai avuto una bella botta di culo !!!

(fig. You had a super strike on your ars**hole)

While I was looking down the ad photos, I was adding up...
50mm/1.2 300€
μNikkor 55mm/2.8 +75€ (so far 375€)
105/2.5 +75€ (so far 450€)
μNikkor 105/4.5 +150€ ... wait a minute!!! ... 4.5? UV Nikkor!!!

Enjoy!

Ciao da Massimo
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 03, 2021, 16:49:20
I have two UR-2 50x50mm filter holder lying around.  It is handy but its rear thread is weird 60mm P0.5mm which makes its use limited on AF-1.

For long I don't use them anymore, XUME MANFROTTO magnetic filter holder rings are so much better!
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Didier Klein on January 03, 2021, 20:27:53
Congratulations for this good (and very cheap) buy, Dr Klaus ! Ein Volltreffer, wie Massimo es sagt ! How many of this special lenses (UV Nikkor or other UVs from Pentax - Takumar UV -, Zeiss or other makers) do you have ?



Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MILLIREHM on January 03, 2021, 21:46:55
There is a brand new UV-Nikkor available here......and the British £ is relative low.....
https://shop.graysofwestminster.co.uk/product/105mm-f-4-5-uv-nikkor-ais/

.....there seems to be more in the box that just the lens......

Welll 12000 GBP is a lot of money - and it shows the other side of the price range

and there are the other components that are part of the set, the Nikon FF filter, the AF-1 filter holder (designed for Gelatine -foilters) and the UR2 adapter allowing to mount the FF filter to the AF-1
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MEPER on January 03, 2021, 22:16:49
Probably not many exists as new in box.....but still a lot of money.
Is the FF-filter needed when you use the lens for capture UV-light so it act like a UV-bandpass filter (200 - 400 nm or so)?

I observed that the lens still has a red dot for IR-infinity so it is not corrected in the other end.....which is not needed of course.....just an observation :-)

It seems Dr. Klaus is "macro lens expert / collector"?
http://www.macrolenses.de/objektive.php?lang

.....if he has all the lenses on the list in his collection......then it is a fine collection.

I wonder which of the macro lenses is the most "collective item"?
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Birna Rørslett on January 03, 2021, 23:37:06
The "FF" filter was designed in the era in which film reigned supreme. It should not be used with the UV-Nikkor on a UV-capable digital camera as the filter leaks way too much IR. Far better UV-transmitting/IR-blocking filters are now available.

The UV-Nikkor is only specified by Nikon to be parfocal UV-VIS, not VIS-IR. The correction point of the lens is in the opposite direction of what is normally seen, ie. "beyond" infinity.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on January 04, 2021, 02:12:53
Many of the special glass filters can still be available in 50x50mm square format.  UR-2 is handy to mount them as they are.

By the way, if the FF filter were actually Hoya U330, it would be well deteriorated by now, just like my sample.   :'(
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 04, 2021, 10:54:53
Welll 12000 GBP is a lot of money - and it shows the other side of the price range

and there are the other components that are part of the set, the Nikon FF filter, the AF-1 filter holder (designed for Gelatine -foilters) and the UR2 adapter allowing to mount the FF filter to the AF-1

Correct and this British camera seller has always been known for a) exceptionally rare items in pristine condition and b) that this items is certainly not for a user, rather than for an avid NIKON collector! The parts asdie from the lens are rather of historic value since after the passing of film and teh appearance of digital cameras with their high IR sensitivity such older UV transmission filters are no longer useable as filters with OD3 better OD4 VIS+NIR (meaning >400nm - 1100nm) blocking are required for reflected UV photography.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MILLIREHM on January 05, 2021, 23:34:40
Fortunately I got a sample of the UV-Nikkor in good condition. Never used the FF but the Baader U2 in combination with an IR blocking filter.
my trials in this field came to a temporary halt throughout the last years due to a bad work - life balance.
There were other filters around and there might exist newer and better filters i do not know of.

Would not say that IR-correction is not needed, its just not present so if this lens is used for IR then one has to deal with "focus shift"
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on January 06, 2021, 04:22:50
UR-2 is not only for the now-obsolete UV-pass filters.  Hoya and Schott makes IR-pass filters of various cut-off wavelengths in 50x50mm format.  It is handy to be able to switch between them without ordering them in filter rings, so long as you can find an appropriate 60/0.5P to, say, 52/0.75P adapter.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 06, 2021, 22:02:11
UR-2 is not only for the now-obsolete UV-pass filters.  Hoya and Schott makes IR-pass filters of various cut-off wavelengths in 50x50mm format.  It is handy to be able to switch between them without ordering them in filter rings, so long as you can find an appropriate 60/0.5P to, say, 52/0.75P adapter.

I do agree Akira, I have a few very rare filters in 50x50mm format too and for them I do use the Filter holders like the UR-2 (btw. there is a copy of that being still sold by Edmund Optics and Thorlabs if I'm not mistaken)
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 09, 2021, 11:06:26
Well, just out of curiosity, I asked for a professional assessment of that set if I wanted to sell it, and this is what I got (KEH): $1.452.
Honestly that (proposed) buying price for a used EX+ UV-Nikkor 105mm was quite a shocker....

Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Akira on January 09, 2021, 11:16:08
Well, just out of curiosity, I asked for a professional assessment of that set if I wanted to sell it, and this is what I got (KEH).
Honestly that (proposed) buying price for an UV-Nikkor 105mm was quite a shocker....

I guess they are ignoring the premium part of its value to keep its price from skyrocketing, on condition that they add a reasonable amount of profit to their cost for the purchase.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 09, 2021, 11:19:44
I guess they are ignoring the premium part of its value to keep its price from skyrocketing, on condition that they add a reasonable amount of profit to their cost for the purchase.

I can only assume that there is quite a premium on their selling price then; no idea what their sales prices would be then...usually they are very reasonable.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: MEPER on January 09, 2021, 17:02:28
When I compare what I have purchased lenses for as private purchase the professional price is usually double up.
I just got a mint (or at least near mint) Micro-Nikkor 150/4 AIS for $170 (private) and a local photo store has a similar but only in "good user condition" for about double up.
Another example is an EL-Nikkor 50/2.8 (older type) which is about $50 private and those are usually mint or near mint. A similar is $130 in a local store.
A mint or near mint 50/1.2 AIS is same store is about $830.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Bill De Jager on January 09, 2021, 22:24:03
I can only assume that there is quite a premium on their selling price then; no idea what their sales prices would be then...usually they are very reasonable.

I have no idea what KEH sells this lens for these days, but I bought mine from them for US$2200 back in 2014 (or thereabouts) when the going price was already at least $4K.  When I saw that price I jumped on it. I have no idea why they priced it so low at that time when they had no problem pricing other expensive lenses at prices realistic for the market, for instance the 58/1.2 AI/S and the exotic telephotos.
Title: Re: Would you pay 1000 for this Nikkor set??
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on January 11, 2021, 08:52:36
I have no idea what KEH sells this lens for these days, but I bought mine from them for US$2200 back in 2014 (or thereabouts) when the going price was already at least $4K.  When I saw that price I jumped on it. I have no idea why they priced it so low at that time when they had no problem pricing other expensive lenses at prices realistic for the market, for instance the 58/1.2 AI/S and the exotic telephotos.

This about right for what I paid for mine here in Germany years ago (EUR1.800). But these times are long gone...