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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Erik Lund on March 12, 2016, 19:37:08
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Two portraits with Nikkor 6mm 2.8 Ai at f/5.6 on D810 Iso 400
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1559/25105540573_b5acfc10bb_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EfusxP)_EGL0946 (https://flic.kr/p/EfusxP) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/25101746344_40b03edb79_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Efa1E5)_EGL0947 (https://flic.kr/p/Efa1E5) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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I have this nagging suspicion these will not be the last ones by the mighty 6 mm f/2.8 posted on NG ...
Erik has arranged for this lens to accompany us to Scotland. A true NG First !!
(http://media.techeblog.com/images/nikon-fisheye-lens.jpg)
The lens has 220 degrees field of view and thus can look behind itself.
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Amazing one indeed, too bad i sold mine... oh well.
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Looking forward to do some creative shooting with it!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1457/25106588703_9fba0f83c1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EfzQ82)NIKKOR 6mm f/2.8 Ai D810 (https://flic.kr/p/EfzQ82) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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WOW!!
Shoot some video footage with that baby please ;D
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We intend to, Bjørn already put together an optical relay to retain the circular image even though the D810 'crop' to 16:9
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According to Erik, we need a relay system to reduce the image circle to make it fit inside the narrower video frame. I have made one solution that apparently works and will try out at least another before we arrive in Scotland.
Meanwhile, any video footage will be slightly cropped top and bottom of the image circle projected by the fisheye.
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I love these lunatics!
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According to Erik, we need a relay system to reduce the image circle to make it fit inside the narrower video frame. I have made one solution that apparently works and will try out at least another before we arrive in Scotland.
Meanwhile, any video footage will be slightly cropped top and bottom of the image circle projected by the fisheye.
Yes, Erik is of course correct.
These guys had the same problem - https://youtu.be/Aw0i_I2TaAM
The stills they recorded show the full image circle but the video is cropped.
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I'm aiming for 0.7X reduction of focal length. That should make the image circle fit inside the frame for video.
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Something like this perhaps? :P
A quote from the guy who put this together - "We had to build a heck of a reflex lens assembly [note the other Nikon lenses in the stack] to shrink the 8-perf image circle from the lens to the 3-perf negative area of the RED."
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17kmpym252yivjpg/original.jpg
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I used relays for my 10 mm f/5.6 OP-Fisheye on the D1 way back in 2000 ... The combination shown is OK as it provides 0.7X, but there is no field lens or fine-tuning of focus. I might use the Repro-Nikkor 85/1 and a reversed 1.4X TC instead. Adding a helicoid for focusing is required in my opinion. Otherwise too much strain is put on the respective lenses.
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This is the 10 mm f/5.6 OP Fisheye Nikkor with a 0.6X relay lens on a D2X. I aim for slightly more for the 6 mm on an FX camera.
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That's an amazing piece of glass !
I would be scared to scratch the front lens. I wonder how is the protection. Something like the Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 (leather lid) ?
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Yes a relay similar to the one on the RED camera, I stole the idea from Bjørn when he did the DX relay as he mentions ;)
There are two ways of mounting the lens, a 'standard' foot build into the base of the lens but also three 1/42 UNC sockets at the rear of the lens housing for vertical shooting,straight up.
For the standard shooting approach I have almost all the pieces; A carbon fiber Gitzo Series 5 with the lateral arm and a Burzynski ball head to lock it down for stills, I will have to look into If we need a fluid video head for the video or we just keep it simple and use the movements of the tripod, the 220 degree field of view put some restrictions on the possibilities,,,
The vertical shooting will be based on a stand-alone special build rig with a 6mm aluminum base-plate and three ø12mm aluminum rods connected to the lens via the three 1/4" sockets, it will have feet/spikes to sit low on the ground.
The vertical rig will have a ø85mm Gitzo ring so it also locks firmly onto the tripod. To be able to operate the camera and see the rear screen the base-plate will have a ø70mm hole to see through inside the ring/tripod.
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It comes with a huge leather/metal clip on hood with a soft pouch touching the front element inside, a unique design to Nikkors - Sadly there is no original flight case for this lens so I'm custom fitting a Peli-Storm Case for the lens to transport it in.
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That's an amazing piece of glass !
I would be scared to scratch the front lens. I wonder how is the protection. Something like the Nikkor 14mm f/2.8 (leather lid) ?
Francis, the 6mm/f2.8 and 8mm/f2.8 came with the conical screw-in metal covers. These lenses have female threads around the front element for the covers.
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It comes with a huge leather/metal clip on hood with a soft pouch touching the front element inside, a unique design to Nikkors - Sadly there is no original flight case for this lens so I'm custom fitting a Peli-Storm Case for the lens to transport it in.
Erik, I've never heard of such a hood. Do you have an image of it?
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No, the 6mm does not have threads.
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No, the 6mm does not have threads.
Oh, I see. I thought it was the same system as that of 8mm/f2.8, but I stand corrected. Thanks!
Francis, sorry for the confusion!
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No problem, it's a very rare lens indeed! ;)
Here is the Hood on the lens
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1705/25435323400_c1550c78f1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EKCFuC)_EGL0951 (https://flic.kr/p/EKCFuC) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And Case
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1566/25640994641_563f1bdbbf_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/F4NNov)_EGL0952 (https://flic.kr/p/F4NNov) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Check out the hinged hood they made for this setup - https://youtu.be/eJA3ggNkqEY
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Just in case, here is / was mine complete with hood (in box) and flight case...
(http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20163/big_455_Nikkor_6mm_fisheye_1.jpg)
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Thanks Klaus it looks mint ;)
You can get it if you want it, price is 67.000€ ::) without the flight case :)
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Check out the hinged hood they made for this setup - https://youtu.be/eJA3ggNkqEY (https://youtu.be/eJA3ggNkqEY)
Do you have any idea why they made that hood? Looks a little complicated, the Nikon hood comes on off quite easily ;)
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This is the only complete set that I've seen.
Comes with the original box, warranty card, case, etc.
Belongs to a friend of mine here in Australia.
There's a 14-24mm f/2.8 next to it for size comparison.
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Do you have any idea why they made that hood? Looks a little complicated, the Nikon hood comes on off quite easily ;)
In order not to lose it? Or in order to protect the front element just quickly after the session.
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Thanks Erik for for picture. it looks like safe !
Akira, No worries !
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This is the only complete set that I've seen.
Comes with the original box, warranty card, case, etc.
Belongs to a friend of mine here in Australia.
There's a 14-24mm f/2.8 next to it for size comparison.
I hope You go and shoot with it ;)
Complete and mint! Impressive ;)
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Seems to be more pictures of the 6 mm f/2.8 than taken with it. We have to rectify that situation on the Scotland trip. My guess is that Erik will want to try out his new support inventions well in advance of the upcoming NG event.
I have seen the mighty 6/2.8 three times before; in Tokyo, London, and Copenhagen, but this will be the first opportunity actually to shoot with it.
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I grabbed this footage from a 1991 IMAX movie called 'Antarctica' - https://youtu.be/xcxYWJDtA0w
It was shot with a 6mm f/2.8.
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Seems to be more pictures of the 6 mm f/2.8 than taken with it. We have to rectify that situation on the Scotland trip.
Seriously! Damned collectors!
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In this case, not that many lens samples to collect. Roland Vink says only around 1000 units ever were made.
However, come to think of it, I own several Nikkors made in much smaller numbers than that ... But the 6 mm has to be extremely good to make me interested in owning one.
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What a lens. I sure like the portaits in the opening post. Scotland? Is that a contest in bringing excotic equipment and shoot with it?
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We're trying our best to make this NG Event unique.
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Seems to be more pictures of the 6 mm f/2.8 than taken with it. We have to rectify that situation on the Scotland trip. My guess is that Erik will want to try out his new support inventions well in advance of the upcoming NG event.
I have seen the mighty 6/2.8 three times before; in Tokyo, London, and Copenhagen, but this will be the first opportunity actually to shoot with it.
Perhaps the lens was mostly used literally within the scientific fields?
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This lens should be nicknamed Popeye the Sailor's lens!! :o :o :o
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Ah, camera porn! :D
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Thanks Klaus it looks mint ;)
You can get it if you want it, price is 67.000€ ::) without the flight case :)
Well, when I got and later sold mine, prices were quite lower, but I was not unhappy with the result ;-)
No need for another such heavy monster lens ...
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Perhaps the lens was mostly used literally within the scientific fields?
Not really, I know a guy in Hamburg who uses it professionally (this is a shot of Blankenese in Hamburg, where the rich live...)
Not sure if he still owns it though...
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Thanks for the video link and the panorama-image - Very good with inspiration! Time lapse will work without the relay so a full circle is retained but on the other side as the image Klaus posted; Cropping works as well, and the lens does take the TC-201 tele-converter according to Nikon -12mm,,, although I have newer seen a photo from the 6mm with TC :) I have it so of course will try it out, should be good for panorama-images.
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Not really, I know a guy in Hamburg who uses it professionally (this is a shot of Blankenese in Hamburg, where the rich live...)
(c) Kubetschek.de
and this is its owner with his lens...
Not sure if he still owns it though...
Thanks, Klaus, for the note. The owner uses the fish with a film camera, so the portrait should be taken many years ago? Apparently he is still doing the pano work, but I'm not sure if he is still using the 6mm fish...
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In this case, not that many lens samples to collect. Roland Vink says only around 1000 units ever were made.
It may be much less than that. In the pre-Ai series, official figures suggest 29 units with serial numbers 628001 - 628029. I have records of 7 lenses from 628003 - 628024 so that seems about right.
The AI series starts where the pre-AI series finishes, starting at 628030. I have seen only 4 lenses with serial numbers 628035, 628042 which match well with the start number. The next number jumps to 628147 from a Nikon brochure (number not very clear). Then a big jump to 628556 sent to me by a collector.
The AIS series has a new serial number block starting at 629001. The earliest I have seen is 629004 on ebay in 2011. Then a big jump to 629400, 629410, 629415, 629417 and 629435. Of these three were sent by message with no picture so I can't be 100% sure there were no typing mistakes.
If serial numbers for the AI and AIS versions are continuous, I would expect to have seen many more by now. Maybe the missing lenses were bought by government/military/industry and never survived? Or they were never made in the first place with big gaps in the series, in which case production may be as low as 100.
What's the serial number of the the one at the NG event? if anyone knows of any other lenses which could help to fill out my data, that would be great. :)
I have seen one 6mm 1:2.8 in person. It was no 628007 on display at the Nikon store in Paris back in 2004. At the time I was corresponding with a French Nikon user/collector called Bruno Najac who showed me and my then Fiance around Paris. We had a great time, but we sadly lost touch with him(still married to my now wife!)
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I will get the number for you Roland!
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Wow! You guys are going to have so much fun! Not happy at all that I couldn't join, but I really look forward to following the event through this site.
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Thanks Erik!
There is a 6mm for sale on ebay right now for $55K. Serial no 628035, an early AI model that I have seen before. That seems to be the case with these lenses, the same ones keep turning up over again, rare to see a new example...
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That is indeed the lens I'm renting ;)
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Thanks, so no new numbers for my database.
I'll update my site to reflect the gaps in the numbers I've seen, I think the current listing grossly overstates actual production numbers.
I look forwards to seeing results from this lens at your NG meeting. I'd love to try an astro-shot - point directly up at night sky with milky way above, and landscape all around ... biggest problem is keeping dew off it ... maybe one of you guys will get the chance to do something like that? :)
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Hi Roland,
Erik seems to be the Chuck Norris of photography. It will be possible. ;)
Harald
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I refreshed my lens serial no page so it more accurately reflects the serial numbers I have seen so far.
However, I still have a large gap between the early AI set (628030, 628035, 628042) and no.628147. If this series is not continuous I may still be overstating the quantity by over 100 units. And then there is no.628556 ...
These lenses were only made to order, so would have been produced in very small batches. I wonder if the numbering for the AI series goes like this:
628BXX where B = batch no, XX = sequence no.
Therefore no.628147 is the 47th 6mm lens made, but from batch 1, not the original batch 0. Lens no.628556 is the 56th lens from batch 5 ?? This would be a unique numbering system for Nikon but it does explain the strange distribution of numbers...
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Erik, your project lens has been picked up by NR ;D
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/03/13/weekly-nikon-news-flash-358.aspx/ (http://nikonrumors.com/2016/03/13/weekly-nikon-news-flash-358.aspx/)
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More and more items for the tripod support of the 6mm are appearing ;)
Base plate for vertical tripod support, the ring fits the Gitzo series 5 and the hole in the plate allows free viewing of the rear camera screen
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1598/25812833665_facd4fefa4_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FjZw9i)Vertical base-plate and tripod-ring for Fish-eye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 (https://flic.kr/p/FjZw9i) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Rods for vertical tripod support
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1550/25277545044_ad5baf717d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EvG2u9)6mm F/2.8 Vertical Mount spacers (https://flic.kr/p/EvG2u9) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Here the rods before cutting off the screw-heads to allow the 1/4" threads to be mounted directly into the three bushings in the rear of the 6mm
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1573/25277577314_5d3fdccdae_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EvGc5w)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/EvGc5w) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Very cool stuff Erik!
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Erik, what is the purpose of the vertical support? To place the lens away from the tripod hub so that the tripod legs won't come into the image circle?
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Neat work Erik - your lathe? :) What kind if I may ask? TIA.
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The vertical support is for shooting straight up, think a shot of the complete night sky and surrounding skyline - The 6mm has three extra 1/4" threads for this to avoid having the lens and camera supported only by the lens foot or planted on the camera display,,,
The vertical support will have three or four spikes to set it into the ground firmly, these come with rubber protectors as well is done on a floor for instance.
Second use is for mounting on a tripod again for shooting straight up but with view of the cameras rear display.
Third use is for shooting with relay lenses and the needed extension tubes attached for shooting un-cropped video, there the plate acts as an extra support for the lenses and camera, I have made an extra set of extension-rods for this.
I will upload some image when I'm further with the manufacturing ;) Will be much easier to see than read the words,,, ;)
On a side note here is a concept shot of what I will try and use it for at work, I'll have our entire sales organisation in all of the 'windows' and ground level here in our Copenhagen headquarters ;)
It's two shots with 10.5mm merged,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1703/25959258726_c4aca2dd26_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FxVZdj)Rotunde10_5_2 (https://flic.kr/p/FxVZdj) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
I haven't told them how much the rent is yet,,, ::)
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Neat work Erik - your lathe? :) What kind if I may ask? TIA.
I borrow it from a co-worker, I don't have the brand at hand, it's a really nice old toolmakers lathe with fully adjustable rpm :)
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Thanks Eric - I suspected that it might have been a tool makers lathe. My lathe has an arrangement whereby a series of fixed speeds can be selected by changing V-belts on a pair of multi grooved pulleys. OK for general turning, but not helpful for the low speeds needed for safe thread cutting, which must be done manually on my machine.
When I get rich and famous I hope to convert it over to one with an inverter driven motor that will give me fully adjustable speeds like the one you are using. :)
I borrow it from a co-worker, I don't have the brand at hand, it's a really nice old toolmakers lathe with fully adjustable rpm :)
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Erik, thanks for the description of the support. Looking forward to seeing further info and actual images. But no hurries!
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Looks like it's coming together nicely Erik.
Nice work with the machining.
I guess this is something like what you're hoping to achieve?
The bubble level looks like a good idea.
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Yes that is it ;)
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Seems like shooting tethered would be ideal for this situation, no?
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Looks like it's coming together nicely Erik.
Nice work with the machining.
I guess this is something like what you're hoping to achieve?
The bubble level looks like a good idea.
Ron, thanks for the image to clarify the concept. This is an exciting project!
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You're most welcome Akira :D
Here are some pages from a manual for the AI version from 1977.
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Ron thanks for that image again! Really helpful for the details ;)
I should have done a more detailed sketch - but I have gotten a little sloppy over the years ::)
I looked a little more at the image of the Vertical base and have noted a few things;
It doesn't appear to be a Nikon product,,, look and feel,,,
It appears to have four very thick rods, so it must have a ring behind the lens converting it into four rods from thee sockets, must have been for made for something else. Do you know if it is?
Nikon would never do that, IMHO much better with a single rod above the pentaprism - out of the way like the lens is designed for.
I will also do four feet, looks stable, and mine will be adjustable and spiked as mentioned, so no need to tuck the strap under the leg ;)
Yes - I already have a similar level for the base.
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Something like this perhaps? :P
A quote from the guy who put this together - "We had to build a heck of a reflex lens assembly [note the other Nikon lenses in the stack] to shrink the 8-perf image circle from the lens to the 3-perf negative area of the RED."
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17kmpym252yivjpg/original.jpg
I used relays for my 10 mm f/5.6 OP-Fisheye on the D1 way back in 2000 ... The combination shown is OK as it provides 0.7X, but there is no field lens or fine-tuning of focus. I might use the Repro-Nikkor 85/1 and a reversed 1.4X TC instead. Adding a helicoid for focusing is required in my opinion. Otherwise too much strain is put on the respective lenses.
Apparently the RED guy Ron found might have borrowed (or stolen!) the idea from Bjørn. I just found this page from Bjørn's classic website. See the Nikkor lenses combined as relay lens look identical (58mm Noct and 35/2.0):
http://www.naturfotograf.com/D1_fisheye_1,html.htm#top
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Yes ;) I know Bjørn did the relay many years ago that's why I asked him to revise it but for the Big Eye - 6mm
I believe your right that he was inspired by that! Looks like it by his choice of lenses, I believe it was a 35mm 1.4 though,,,
This is the 1:1 Sectional view of the Fisheye Nikkor 6mm 2.8 that I use for the construction of the Vertical base.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1534/25873506432_ab4c5b7300_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Fqmu3u)Nikkor 6mm 2.8 sectional view (https://flic.kr/p/Fqmu3u) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Cut out to test the foam in the Peli-Storm-case ;)
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Erik, the RED guy also used 35/2.0. See the larger image posted by Ron. :)
Your working bench looks exactly like Bjørn's "mobile camera case"! :D
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I thought Bjørn used a 35mm f/1.4,,, ;) never mind it will be different since it's on a D810 16:9 not a 10mm on DX,,,
On another side note here is the off center Gitzo series 5 with Burzynski, the arm can be extended if needed with a monopod if needed for balance.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1654/25350870864_1aa80c14a1_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ECaQGq)_EGL1308 (https://flic.kr/p/ECaQGq) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Again sorry for the mess yes it's a bit like Bjørns car boot - Maybe that's why we get along,,, ::)
I also have a Kessler Stealth video slide,,, but my issue now is mostly the weight of it all,,,
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I thought Bjørn used a 35mm f/1.4,,, ;) never mind it will be different since it's on a D810 16:9 not a 10mm on DX,,,
On another side note here is the off center Gitzo series 5 with Burzynski, the arm can be extended if needed with a monopod if needed for balance.
Again sorry for the mess yes it's a bit like Bjørns car boot - Maybe that's why we get along,,, ::)
I also have a Kessler Stealth video slide,,, but my issue now is mostly the weight of it all,,,
Yeah, that's one reason for you and Bjørns getting along well. :D
I'm sure you are already aware, but I would doubt if the top plate of Gitzo Systematic is held to the vertical-mount hub firmly enough to hold the heavy rig you are preparing for. A safety plate like the one sold at NatureScapes would be necessary.
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Ron thanks for that image again! Really helpful for the details ;)
I should have done a more detailed sketch - but I have gotten a little sloppy over the years ::)
I looked a little more at the image of the Vertical base and have noted a few things;
It doesn't appear to be a Nikon product,,, look and feel,,,
It appears to have four very thick rods, so it must have a ring behind the lens converting it into four rods from thee sockets, must have been for made for something else. Do you know if it is?
Nikon would never do that, IMHO much better with a single rod above the pentaprism - out of the way like the lens is designed for.
I will also do four feet, looks stable, and mine will be adjustable and spiked as mentioned, so no need to tuck the strap under the leg ;)
Yes - I already have a similar level for the base.
You're welcome Erik.
I agree with you, the 4-post-mount isn't Nikon and must have some kind of backing plate/adapter as you suggest.
Adjustable height, like on a theodolite or optical level, is a very good idea.
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First-World problems encountered while attempting to use a lens with a 220deg angle of view :P
From a pre-AI user manual.
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Yes thank you for the warning Akira! - I am aware of this 'urban myth' ;)
As a mechanical engineer I feel quite calm with my design, as there will be zero stress on the ring in vertical position when mounted ;)
The only way anyone would have a problem with the Gitzo 'ring' design is if someone fail to tighten the clamp tight enough and walk around with the tripod over their shoulder with a long lens attached,,, then the wobble could lead to the ring working itself out of the clamp.
It is a ø70mm x 10mm long connection, there is no chance this will come apart unless the bolt breaks - Therefore I will reconsider if I should make such a 'safety-ring' since it's better to be safe than sorry!
Ron I will remember to wear a suit and tie ;D
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BTW There is a much easier fix than the 'safety ring'
It is to drill one or two holes and cut threads in the collar and through the ring.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1621/25977100386_324e7d0b08_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FzvqV9)Gitzo safety (https://flic.kr/p/FzvqV9) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
I already have a screw like this in my Burzynski Ball Head adapter ring - Series 3-4 to Series 5 - so I don't loose the ring,,,
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Can't wait to see the final construction and the pictures you'll get from it. It's wonderful that you keep us updated with your progress.
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Thanks Jørgen! ;) I hope I'm not boring people to death with my project ::)
Here are some sketches of the support:
Off-centre Tripod
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1455/25703001470_513615b31a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FahARL)6mm Tripod Vertical base and Video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/FahARL) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Vertical Base
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1693/25703001480_297fbd9934_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FahARW)6mm Tripod Vertical base and Video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/FahARW) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
The Vertical base on tripod, for full view of rear camera display
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1583/25375204033_73691693a1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EEjy6P)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/EEjy6P) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And the two combined for Video relay lens stack
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1588/25882777902_bac8ff7815_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Frb18q)6mm Tripod Vertical base and Video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/Frb18q) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Kudos to the invention and also the artist who drew the sketches.
I love the bow tie on the photographer 8)
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;D 8)
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I was about to ask the same question about the bow tie - hope you do have one of these, Erik?
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I like the oily hair style. Have you been to the coiffeur Erik?
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With 220 degrees field of view the tie and loose hair will all to easily get into the frame - Hence the bow tie and grease ;D
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A pair of Pocket Wizards can be a substitute for the bow tie and the greased hair, but what about the dancing shoes?
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Jakov, Kudos well earned I'd say.
Actually the sketches are helpful to an onlooker such as myself for they show quite nicely the challenges that a 220 degree field of view pose for the photographer and how they will be dealt with in this instance.
Nice work Erik and an excellent preparation.
I just hope that the weather and light will be kind to all of the Killin group and that in due course we get to see this rare lens performing to its fullest.
Kudos to the invention and also the artist who drew the sketches.
I love the bow tie on the photographer 8)
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The Doctor at work 8)
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;D ;D 8)
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BTW There is a much easier fix than the 'safety ring'
It is to drill one or two holes and cut threads in the collar and through the ring.
I already have a screw like this in my Burzynski Ball Head adapter ring - Series 3-4 to Series 5 - so I don't loose the ring,,,
Erik, if you have a drilling machine, it should be easy to make it safer that way.
I don't think it is urban myth. By Gitzo design, the bolt tighten the ring below the lower edge of the plate. So, the more you tighten the bolt, the more the upper part of the ring will be open. As a result, the ring is hold at the lower edge of the plate.
I replaced the central hub of my Gitzo Series 3 Systematic with the alternative hub made by Markins (TH-300). So, the problem is gone forever.
Sorry for the deviation. Let's go back to the original topic! :)
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Yes this is true for the Series 3/4 - of course dependent on the depth of the plate this could be an issue,,, But this is not the case for a Series 5 where the bolt is located at the edge, not below, and when you tighten you can actually measure the collar getting smaller in diameter 0.2mm - closing at the top, not opening!
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Oh, I see. I will look closely when I have a chance to see a Series 5 one. Thanks for the detailed explanation!
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No problem ;) Thanks for the heads up Akira! For glass like this I will not take any chances,,,
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You are welcome, Erik!
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Erik, how will you be allowing for the axial movement of the relay stack due to focus movement of the lens helicoids?
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That might not be necessary. In the relay department, we can do a coarse focusing beforehand, then use the lens' own focusing ring for the actual shooting.
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The lens relay stack can slide inside the ring ;)
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As I have all the parts, just not machined here is a mock up of the support ring for the tripod placed at 10cm from the camera and the RRS plate will go through the base-plate, when machined ;)
Lens relay will slide inside the ring and camera is supported by the base-plate,,,
A long rail could support the whole system from camera to Fisheye, not sure this is needed,,, But it would make it extra rigid.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1502/25950087032_0bac6f92b7_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Fx7YME)Relay support Nikkor fisheye 6mm (https://flic.kr/p/Fx7YME) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Thanks for showing the progress.
Looks like it's coming along nicely indeed :)
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Thanks!
I just realized when doing the mock up that I don't need the Base-Plate in Video set-up - If the relay is only 20cm long, and the D810 has the battery pack and RRS L-Plate mounted then I just need a long rail to hold the lens and camera into position.
After setting up infinity focus on the relay, the length can be locked down as Bjørn says. Since focusing will be IF inside the 6mm Fisheye,,,
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Wow :o
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Wow :o
Welcome to NikonGear ;D
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Indeed.
And just subscribed. Appreciate the time and history lessons.
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So here is a snap of the situation this morning, was a late night up working on the mock up for the relay system Bjørn is nicely putting together fro the video 16:9 format Fish-eye project ;)
The keen observer will see an old Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ais, similar body size as the 6mm and with the hood it as same length when at minimum focus and the dedicated hood so together with the sectional view print enough to get close to getting the support right,,,
I could read between the lines Bjørn's concern for the well being of the relay lenses - and I concur! Fortunately with the added grip with EN-EL18a for plenty of power for the video the height of the camera incl the RRS plate is close to the height of the 6mm so very little shimming is needed, so we will have a very stable set-up both regarding handleling but also to set up and shoot, the clamps will just be loosened for initial focus of the relay, then locked down for shooting,,,
Also to be seen now is the TC-201, which is the dedicated tele-converter for the Big eye, 12mm Fisheye,,, ;D Sounds fun to me and this old TC has several times surpriced me for close-up work where it has often done much better than using extension rings,,, food for thought for Michael's stacks perhaps ;)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1704/26039885366_0b72a9bc8e_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FF4dGN)_EGL1458 (https://flic.kr/p/FF4dGN) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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So here is the almost finished Vertical support-base for the Big eye, the three holes for the rods are to be drilled when I have checked the PCD an extra time, fist the overall plate with the level.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1623/25519013593_571a9ed867_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ET2BEZ)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/ET2BEZ) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
then with mounted on the Gitzo Series 5, seen from below
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1441/26095712016_e9c971568d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FKZm2f)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/FKZm2f) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
With Spikes
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1554/26121640885_e403673aea_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FNheLH)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/FNheLH) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
With rubber feet
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1526/25516887884_84dd830323_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ESQHLQ)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/ESQHLQ) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And here on the tripod
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1630/25848951020_2b08d43fe4_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FobCzj)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/FobCzj) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Erik, your mechanical engineer training really shines through here. Top notch workmanship.
The relay system for the video use with the 6 mm will comprise 35/1.4 & 50/1.2. The Repro-Nikkor relay approach does work, but the projected image circle is smaller. I have tested the relay with my 8 mm f/2.8 and it seems to work just fine.
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Thanks Bjørn -
And those two lenses are perfect for the job ;)
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Amazing stuff Erik!
Are you going to have enough space for other gear :)
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Thanks Jakov - And yes,,, I was thinking the same,,, ;) What to do,,,
Here it is with the rods
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1633/25849291250_96af3bb249_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FodnHm)Fisheye Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 Vertical Support base Gitzo Series 5 (https://flic.kr/p/FodnHm) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Cant wait to do some IR with it - Sure hope there is no hot spot ;)
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Here are two more images with the 6mm from my garden - The lens is in bad need of cleaning - Not ideal for a Fisheye at all
I didn't notice inside the store but it's quite clearly visible outside when you look into the lens and from images when stopping the lens down.....
First with the vertical tripod
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1462/25970772974_a9ce84fe51_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FyWZZQ)_EGL1888 (https://flic.kr/p/FyWZZQ) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Next with off-center tripod
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1585/26549684796_77c67618ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gs75j9)_EGL1918 (https://flic.kr/p/Gs75j9) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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WOW WOW WOW 8)
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looks good
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Thanks Jakov and Frank
Here two freids working in the basement - New showers and toilets
The Vertical tripodbase is so easy and fun to use :)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1542/26576020595_cf81c9188f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gur42D)_EGL1883 (https://flic.kr/p/Gur42D) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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For the pretty extravagant asking price of a half million DKK, a spring cleaning ought to be included. ...
Erik, your tripod solutions do seem to work flawlessly. Am I surprised? Not really.
Looking forward to shooting this lens in IR etc.
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Thanks Bjørn :)
Front element needs to come off,,,
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Big lens => big front element => big man => no problems.
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Don't tell me that you are going to open it up?!?!
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Erik, these are awesome!
I observe an interesting arc-shape ghost at the right bottom of the second image. ;)
Here two freids working in the basement - New showers and toilets
The Vertical tripodbase is so easy and fun to use :)
Where were you when you took this picture? :o
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Will not take it apart, don't worry Jakov ;)
It has a lot of flare in all sorts of ways;) Keeping the sunrays under control is challenging so I just let it happen more or less ;)
I got the radio remote for the D810 so I'm behind tha wall ;)
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Very impressive, Erik !!
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Really, really nice work Erik.
Nice job with the mounting plate too..............I have a machine-shop (gear cutting) so I know quality workmanship when I see it ;)
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Thanks Ron ;)
Here is the Vertical base mounted under the 6mm - I had to trim down one of the rods since the D810 Camera body is a bit larger than the old film cameras
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1490/26309688940_5aa788b5cb_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G5U2Uy)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm Vertical base (https://flic.kr/p/G5U2Uy) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Nikkor Fisheye 6mm Vertical base on Gitzo Series 5
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1642/25977834774_ff180cf238_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Fzzce1)L1043808 (https://flic.kr/p/Fzzce1) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Nikkor Fisheye 6mm lateral arm Gitzo Series 5 Burzynski Ball head
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1462/26556826106_d9007d6200_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GsJFbb)L1043811 (https://flic.kr/p/GsJFbb) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Awesome, simply awesome...
The last setup looks like a cyber dog. :o
I got the radio remote for the D810 so I'm behind tha wall ;)
Ah, yes, that makes sense.
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Not the easiest lens to play hide-and-seek with ... 220 degrees out of 360 are being watched.
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The last setup looks like a cyber dog. :o
LOL to that Akira :)
Almost there, only needs one more leg to complete the set up - https://youtu.be/M8YjvHYbZ9w
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LOL to that Akira :)
Almost there, only needs one more leg to complete the set up - https://youtu.be/M8YjvHYbZ9w
Ron, apparently Erik's cyber dog has a wider perspective. :)
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Here are two more images with the 6mm from my garden
The first image is seriously good... love to see what this lens can do (rather than see it on ebay for ridiculous prices!)
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The first garden shot is nice, the second is real magic.
Like the compact foreground, the tree & its shadow with the sun.
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Thanks!
Indeed the first garden image is quite unique since it really shows the 220 degrees field of view - extending beyond and below the camera in one shot ;)
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This rig makes the 14-24 feel like a nice walkaround lens ;D Does it come with acomplementary protractor?
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He he, no it doesn't but could come in handy ;)
Instead of using the high and heavy Burzynski ball head I can use a Really Rught Stuff 'Monopod head' it has much less intrusion into the frame and a lot less weight ;)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1526/25995788613_7dceb559a1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FBadgX)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/FBadgX) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And all axes can still be manipulated although a lot slower,,,
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Very impressive work Erik and thanks for letting us follow along. That shot from your basement makes my head spin :D
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The lens foot of the 6mm only has one single screw mount ::) and the threads start so deep that only one single turn of thread has a hold of the lens foot :o Completely a mystery why anyone would think that was a great idea,,,,
I have cut out room in the RRS plate for a much longer screw with counter sunk head also I have mounted an anti twist-block on the RRS plate to avoid any risk of the plate working loose or rotating.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1666/26612763425_d28f05fa9e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GxFnoH)Lens plate Nikkor Fisheye 6mm (https://flic.kr/p/GxFnoH) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
I have wrapped it in some thin tape to avoid any scaring,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1506/26586554996_50e58dd2c9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gvn3xf)Lens plate Nikkor Fisheye 6mm (https://flic.kr/p/Gvn3xf) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Ready for some Fisheye shoting ;)
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Sometimes the engineers at the Mothership think in mysterious if not downright inscrutable ways. This fisheye exemplifies this with regard to the mounting arrangement, as clearly demonstrated by Erik. A similar case exists for the first versions of the mighty 360-1200 mm f/11 Zoom-Nikkor. The lens is very heavy and the slanted tripod foot is for once very sturdy. However, this apparent clever design is marred by the tripod foot that only has a single 1/4" screw hole and not a very deep one either, plus the base platform for mounting is set off from the major part of the foot so as to make a minimal contact area. What kind of engineering thought can explain such a silly arrangement? I had to redo the foot and the mounting arrangement completely.
Pleased to learn you have done the Nikon engineers one better so we can enjoy the 6/2.8 to its fullest extent in the near future. Really looking forward to what the lens can do for "ordinary" as well as not-so-ordinary photography.
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I, for one, very much look forward to seeing the results!
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Im having some issues insuring this beast,,, well let's see if it doesn't work out.
It actually handles quite well on a monopod using live view, the 110 deg 220/2 deg can be dialed in on the RRS monopod head and you 'just' need to keep your toes behind the monopod ;)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1606/26546995412_934c07ed51_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrShRs)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm Monopod (https://flic.kr/p/GrShRs) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Here a view using the monopod,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1578/26367834540_3c6078ffca_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gb33yU)_EGL1938 (https://flic.kr/p/Gb33yU) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Here its of course no issue as the D200 [IR] is a DX crop camera but just to show; No hot spot in IR, and an quite acceptable DX cropping - I need a FX camera with IR filter,,, Andrea you have a D600,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1541/26547644232_c21d94d31b_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrVBJ1)_EGL8986 (https://flic.kr/p/GrVBJ1) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Oh, the last two are intriguing!
Erik, you might be the first to shoot digital IR with this lens. 8)
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Thanks Akira ;)
Here is one playing around to get to know it better, at some distances its just damn sharp, especially up close so I will try to use that,,,
Here some parts of the interior are just rendered flawlessly, fabric and details, amazing and at the same time a gigantic challenge,,, set at 0.3M f/8
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1447/26551290142_d6bb562edf_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gsfiww)_EGL1877 (https://flic.kr/p/Gsfiww) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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I would love to have been there to take a photo of you with the fish in the Audi ;D
In Scotland for sure!!!
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Erik, how did you attach the anti-twist block onto the RRS plate? The epoxy shouldn't be strong enough, and I don't see any screw...
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The thin tape is hiding the two screws ;)
The RRS plates comes with M3 threaded holes for their anti twist blocks and end stops, I just made a block out of stainless steel and drilled the counter sunk holes to match for two M3 screws at 45 degrees to match the cut out in the lens foot.
The cut out in the lens foot is made for when the lens laying on the side resting on a flat surface without a camera attached - strange IMHO
Jakov I can hardly wait to go and shoot this Big eye with you all ;)
It's completely surreal to shoot with it because when you have the camera and lens in the normal shooting position your view is completely blocked - all you see is the rear of the lens and when you look through the view finder you see a tiny world in front of you without having any feel for how close you are to anything,,,
So I think I will try and use the Zacuto viewfinder in live view,,,
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Did you end up buying the fisheye lens, or did you rent it for the NG workshop?
It will be fun seeing the lens in action and I'm curious what footage you will come up with (using the relay lens mentioned earlier).
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I have rented the lens for some jobs here in Copenhagen this week and for our Scotland workshop - then I guess I have used it plenty for my type of photography ;)
There are so many other wonderful lenses I would buy before the 6mm - I'm not a lens collector 8)
I'm not sure we will manage to shoot a lot of video - also Bjørn has to cut down on bits and pieces he will bring so not sure he will prioritise to bring the relay,,,
Shooting 360 degree 220 degree field of view video is,,, to put it mildly super strange - you will have your shadow in the shot, tripod and everything if you don't take extreme care,,,,
So shooting it with the 16-9 crop is actually a huge relief,,,
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Shooting 360 degree 220 degree field of view video is,,, to put it mildly super strange - you will have your shadow in the shot, tripod and everything if you don't take extreme care,,,,
So shooting it with the 16-9 crop is actually a huge relief,,,
Oh, I think I misunderstood then.
I thought the relay was made in order increase magnification in order to fit the full circle of the fisheye image into the movie frame.
Maybe we can assemble a relay on-site by combining lenses and extension tubes from various people (only volunteers of course).
I haven't decided what I will bring along, but if you need a specific lens that neither of you manage to bring along I can maybe take that into consideration.
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No you didn't misunderstand.
The idea of a relay in this case is for having a circular Fisheye image in 16:9,,,
Thanks for volunteering for the parts! ;) A couple of parts are quite unique, short focus mount so Bjørn should bring that, other vice I need a 35mm 1.4 and a 50mm 1.2 I believe,,, I'll ask Bjørn
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No you didn't misunderstand.
The idea of a relay in this case is for having a circular Fisheye image in 16-9,,,
Thanks for volunteering for the parts! ;) A couple of parts are quite unique, short focus mount so Bjørn should bring that, other vice I need a 35mm 1.4 and a 50mm 1.2 I believe,,, I'll ask Bjørn
I'll have a 35/1.4 N and 55/1.2 SC with me, so if weight counts Bjørn can leave those at home. :)
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Thanks Chris but the 55mm is too long and is it 35mm 1.4 Ais ? as we need the best possible coatings and lens,,,
Then it's a 50mm 1.2 Ais - my guess would be that Jan Ann will bring his sample ;)
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We need the following Nikkors for the relay: 50/1.2 AIS and 35/1.4 AIS. I'll plan on having the 35/1.4 with me any way. If JA brings his 50/1.2 the remaining parts (spacers, focusing helicoid, adapters) are easy to fit into the overfilled photo bag unless it bursts at the seams ... :D
The image circle of the 6 mm fisheye is too large for the video 16:9 crop. Thus the idea of the relay is to reduce the focal length and hence the projected image by a factor of 0.7X.
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The thin tape is hiding the two screws ;)
The RRS plates comes with M3 threaded holes for their anti twist blocks and end stops, I just made a block out of stainless steel and drilled the counter sunk holes to match for two M3 screws at 45 degrees to match the cut out in the lens foot.
The cut out in the lens foot is made for when the lens laying on the side resting on a flat surface without a camera attached - strange IMHO
Erik, thanks for the details!
The image circle of the 6 mm fisheye is too large for the video 16:9 crop. Thus the idea of the relay is to reduce the focal length and hence the projected image by a factor of 0.7X.
Are you going to shoot video with a Nikon FX DSLR? I guess a focus reducer like the Metabones on a mirrorless camera would be an easier and simpler solution...
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Thanks Chris but the 55mm is too long and is it 35mm 1.4 Ais ? as we need the best possible coatings and lens,,,
Then it's a 50mm 1.2 Ais - my guess would be that Jan Ann will bring his sample ;)
No, it's the Nikkor-N Auto 35/1.4 from 1971 (9-blade thorium lens).
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Erik, thanks for the details!
Are you going to shoot video with a Nikon FX DSLR? I guess a focus reducer like the Metabones on a mirrorless camera would be an easier and simpler solution...
The problem is that the circle will still be too big to fit inside the movie frame. You need to project the small image onto a big sensor, not onto a small sensor, otherwise the problem persists.
EDIT: It may be that you can make full frame videos on one of those cameras, so that would be an option.
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I tried the relay setup with my 8 mm f/2.8 and D600 in video mode and the reduced image circle fits inside the video frame lines. So my hunch is the 6/2.8 will behave in a similar manner as their projected image circles should be approx. equal in size.
Using a Metabones focal reducer on a smaller sensor camera such as m43 makes little sense as the image circle still will be outside the frame. A bigger sensor in conjunction with 0.7X reducer is the solution for superfisheye video showing the entire 220 degrees image without top/bottom being cut off.
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Simone I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here,,, I'm shooting Video with the D810 FX in 16:9 format
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With "mirrorless" I had Sony A7 series camera in mind. Sorry to be unclear. I guess the 0.7X reducer would work.
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Simone I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here,,, I'm shooting Video with the D810 FX in 16:9 format
I was just replying to Akira regarding the possibility to use a focal reducer. I know that the original idea was to use the FX sensor.
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With "mirrorless" I had Sony A7 series camera in mind. Sorry to be unclear. I guess the 0.7X reducer would work.
Good idea actually!
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OK guys ;) Thank you for your support and suggestions! Much appreciated! ;)
I'm confident Bjørn's relay will work and I don't have any of the other suggested speed-boosters or reducers or mirror less cameras that do video - I'm also confident of the video quality of the D810 is up to the task ;)
Here is the final solution for Video relay support, not the lenses,,, just a mock-up, for alignment.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1476/26660709595_9cc4bb163c_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GBV77P)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/GBV77P) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And here on the dolly
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1519/26387652530_373ac38a35_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GcMBLo)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/GcMBLo) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Beautiful lens :)
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Beautifully craftet setup :D
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Beautifully craftet setup 😀
I totally agree. But it looks butt ugly. A classic example of function beats design ;)
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I do not find it anyhow ugly - it looks more than if the Nikon engineers had nothing but the D8XX in mind when they drew this lens
Chapeau! for doing it
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Then it's a 50mm 1.2 Ais - my guess would be that Jan Ann will bring his sample ;)
No worries, I'll bring mine :)
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Thanks all! :)
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That dolly setup worked out really well.
Can't wait to see the full image circle in the video.
Nice job guys.
By the way; Erik, can you please let me know the serial number of that lens............PM me if you like.
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OK that settles it: JA brings 50/1.2, I the 35/1.4 (AIS) and the other paraphernalia making up the relay, and Erik is the designated courier of the 6/2.8 and all the other bits and pieces required for this unique project to reach completion.
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By the way; Erik, can you please let me know the serial number of that lens............PM me if you like.
Ron, I asked already, it's 628035
See http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3011.45.html :)
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OK guys ;) Thank you for your support and suggestions! Much appreciated! ;)
I'm confident Bjørn's relay will work and I don't have any of the other suggested speed-boosters or reducers or mirror less cameras that do video - I'm also confident of the video quality of the D810 is up to the task ;)
Here is the final solution for Video relay support, not the lenses,,, just a mock-up, for alignment.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1476/26660709595_9cc4bb163c_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GBV77P)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/GBV77P) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And here on the dolly
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1519/26387652530_373ac38a35_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GcMBLo)Nikkor Fisheye 6mm video relay support (https://flic.kr/p/GcMBLo) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Beautiful lens :)
The Doctor delivered the ultimate Nikon porn 8)
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Erik, I like you pocket size camera 8)
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I wonder if Erik will need to order a seperate cargo plane ;)
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Got a strong feeling that we won't get bored over there... ;D ;D
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Slowly getting to know the lens better - I used the lens for an assignment today at Ny Carlsberg Glyptotek, turned out really nice, seems the lens has a sweet spot at f/5.6 when you nail focus, also the lens has almost zero CA, very very impressive performance for such a huge lens,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1562/26425541990_7200a5b4d2_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gg8NYW)_EGL1989 (https://flic.kr/p/Gg8NYW) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Wow, that's a real beauty, Erik !
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Thanks John
Here same subject, shot from just a few steps back, show the Winter Garden a bit better and less emphasis on the woman, maybe also better suited to be printed large,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1502/26425613050_ad8033887c_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gg9b77)_EGL1986 (https://flic.kr/p/Gg9b77) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Impressive. I do prefer the first version, though.
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A few steps make an big difference in the composition. Personally I prefer the first one, where the fountain, the reflection in the water and the ceiling make an impressive mirror-like balanced image.
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Very impressive, well done!
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I wonder how the outcome will be using the relay system I have built. Must impose on Jan Anne to bring his 50/1.2 Nikkor as it is a vital component in the relay.
We will know the answer within a few days, I guess. Unless the rain is bucketing down, I surmise the mighty Fish is the first lens Erik will put into use in Scotland !! We could do a video of the ferry run to the Hebrides.
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Impressive rendering from this lens. These scenes really suites the lens.
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I guess that the front element jutted out above the fountain when the first image was taken. This is awesome!
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Thanks all! - Indeed it was Akira; I was standing with the monopod foot on the edge and the lens extended out over the water in the fountain,,,
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Love these pictures.
Never much been interested in circular fish-eye lenses before but this and the "circular fish-eye" thread makes me want one!
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Really nice images, especially the first.
Looking forward to see that beast in Scotland. :)
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That first shot is a superb example showing how a fisheye ought be used.
Nice work Erik.
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Very well done indeed Erik, also #1 for me!!
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Erik,
That first, of the two images, is just stunning! I am learning a lot about fish eye lenses and how to use them.
How does that image/lens hold up when displayed near 100% because the web image is really remarkable.
This entire post is so interestingly informative.
Thanks.
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Thanks for all the nice comments ;) The first one is also the chosen to go into print ;)
The lens is really impressive but very demanding, focus must be spot on and as mentioned it shines at f/5.6 for such an 'old' lens design I'm completely satisfied with the performance - I have not done any A-B comparison there really is no equal,,, But I would say the performance is similar to the 8mm f/2.8 Ais or other high end lenses, it' better than the wide lenses like 15mm f/3.5 more like a 18mm or the 16mm full frame Fisheyes.
the image sharpness falls off at the far edge at distant subjects, but not up close,,,
Here from the focus target about 1.25m center of the frame at 100% on D810 ISO 800 - some PP but no noise reduction,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1455/26440576860_2c844f7fe1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GhsSjQ)_EGL1989_100 (https://flic.kr/p/GhsSjQ) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And here from the edge of the car shot, at minimum focus distance 0.25m f/8 ISO 450 D810 - Outstanding comes to mind,,,
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/26109556513_4c4c920760_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FMdivt)_EGL1877_100 (https://flic.kr/p/FMdivt) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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I was invited by Svend-Erik from the shop Photografica to come and shoot the lens one more time for the fun of it, we had a nice lunch upstairs and I scouted around the store with a coffee and shot a couple of images - It's been quite fun to shoot the big eye, seems it's sold,,, not to me sadly ;)
This was the last shot...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7538/26546816194_614d3a438d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu)_EGL3410 (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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I will miss the big eye! You used it magnificently, and we will all cherish the images you made ;)
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Thanks for the support! ;)
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An epic era draws to a close. The buyer must be shocked to see what can be done with the lens if it is used with your skills and imagination.
Did the buyer arrive and picked up the lens?
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Thanks Bjørn! The buyer is set to arrive May 30 - I hope he leaves without the lens,,,
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This 'mirror-less' composite self portrait of the 6mm Nikkor Fisheye turned out quite special - Photografica Leica Store Copenhagen
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7260/27121301656_064004f6eb_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HjBL6f)_EGL3401 (https://flic.kr/p/HjBL6f) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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I was invited by Svend-Erik from the shop Photografica to come and shoot the lens one more time for the fun of it, we had a nice lunch upstairs and I scouted around the store with a coffee and shot a couple of images - It's been quite fun to shoot the big eye, seems it's sold,,, not to me sadly ;)
This was the last shot...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7538/26546816194_614d3a438d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu)_EGL3410 (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Snif, your images with this lens will be missed!
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I've noticed that the extra 40º really helps the straight-up oriented shots by showing more of the surrounding ground-level territory.
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Yes the extra angle of view really makes a difference.
Eric, what will you do with the rig you built to support this lens? Will you offer it to the buyer of the lens, hopefully they can continue to make good use of it, or will you keep it in case you are able to rent another copy?
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220 degrees 360 degrees makes for a huge difference indeed,,, That's why I build the vertical base ;)
I have offered to sell the vertical base to come along with the 6mm, if he doesn't buy it I'll re-build it to fit the 10.5mm AF-D to be able to do two shot stitches of approximately 200 degrees for 360 degree circular images similar to the 6mm but filling the D810 frame quite a bit more, I have all ready started the thread some time ago,,,
And if he buys it I will do a similar but smaller rig, no need for the same heft since the 10.5mm is tiny!
It can actually just rest on the Zacuto finder frame and rotate on that
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Erik and The Lens
thanks a lot Erik, that I personally could see the use of this masterpiece by someone who mastered it.
My look onto these, mostly outstanding pictures now is different, than if I only had seen them on a screen.
My understanding of the search for the proper use of a lens went to a new level. I am happy that I was allowed
to "participate" in this exciting experience.
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Thank you Thomas! It was great fun to travel and shoot with you ;)
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This was the last shot...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7538/26546816194_614d3a438d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu)_EGL3410 (https://flic.kr/p/GrRnzu) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
I love especially this one Erik ! :)
BTW, I am wondering what is this noticeable effect at the bottom letf corner (half past seven).
A flare ?
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Thanks!
It's flare from the sun, it's there opposite the sun in more or less all shots outside when the sun is on the sky, often there is also a large orange and smaller blue flare blob and several blue and purple flares, there should be some visible in the building on the right of the sun.
When shooting directly, cantered into the sun this orange flare is circular and in midway in the image. Amazing lens ;)
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I have just gone through several posts on this amazing fisheye and how you have mastered it with your custom made tripod setup, great work Erik !
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Eric, the range and quality of your Scotland images is excellent. It was fascinating to see what goes into using such a lens. I hope the buyer of the Big Fish is able to use it half so well.
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Thanks!
It's flare from the sun, it's there opposite the sun in more or less all shots outside when the sun is on the sky, often there is also a large orange and smaller blue flare blob and several blue and purple flares, there should be some visible in the building on the right of the sun.
When shooting directly, cantered into the sun this orange flare is circular and in midway in the image. Amazing lens ;)
Been shooting with both my 8/2.8 fish and many other extreme wide angles (e.g., the 13mm) and one big advantage of the SLR & DSLR is the ability to observe flare as I'm composing. If not too critical to the composition of the shot I purposely put the flare in an area of the image that I can easily clone out with PhotoShop. If the flare winds up in a complex, busy part of the shot that flare is much harder to edit out.
Dan
Santa Barbara
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Thank you all for the comments!
I have on purpose kept most of the flares to show what and how the lens actually shoots - I have on several occasions noted that somehow that particular flare spot actually hit the shadow of the lens on the ground right in front of me... you will see some of these in the Scotland thread...
I have enjoyed shooting the 8mm 2.8 and 14mm in various versions an the tiny 12mm Voigtlander they all flare a lot,,, the worst lens was the 14-24mm AFS - very unpredictable in this regard.
The 6mm 2.8 gives the most amazing images straight up - So only real chance of getting rid of flare was to move around a lot,,,
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It's flare from the sun, it's there opposite the sun in more or less all shots outside when the sun is on the sky, often there is also a large orange and smaller blue flare blob and several blue and purple flares, there should be some visible in the building on the right of the sun.
When shooting directly, cantered into the sun this orange flare is circular and in midway in the image. Amazing lens ;
Thanks, Erik !
Amazing lens indeed !
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Erik,
I may always associate you with the 6mm ....it was a perfect fit, a giant man with a gigantic lens.
Seeing you expertly work with the lens in Scotland was the highlight of the trip for me. I still look for 6mm shots when I am walking around, I expect you do also :)
Cheers
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Juast in case, one was just listed on ebay: 262455748503
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Apparently at an "elevated" price ... USD 85 K is a pretty stiff starting point for an auction.
The seller is OK though, I bought several lenses from them, but of course not in the same price league as the 6/2.8 is positioned..
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Indeed it looks like a mint sample, I miss an image of the mount and rear element,,,
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No picture of the serial number either, but the description mentions serial no.629436, which is the last one known.
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Apparently at an "elevated" price ... USD 85 K is a pretty stiff starting point for an auction.
The seller is OK though, I bought several lenses from them, but of course not in the same price league as the 6/2.8 is positioned..
Yep, 25k sounds more familiar to me :biggrin:
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Here's a timely article posted on imaging-resource.com, although it is nowhere near this thread in terms of both thoroughness and insanity. :D
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2016/05/31/not-for-the-frugal-fisheye-photographer-rare-nikon-6mm-f-2.8-ai-s-lens-avai
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Except for it basically being about the very same lens sample (owned by Photografica of Copenhagen, Denmark), it really adds nothing except for the oohs and aahs of people never using such a lens.
Erik's contributions to the Scotland thread as a whole should be rightfully considered a true classic.
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Erik was and is a star 8)
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A *big* star ...
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This has been a great thread to follow, especially the images Erik has been uploading to flickr.
Thanks heaps for sharing the impressive results.
I'm wondering how the lens/relay system ended up performing for the video test?
Are there any examples that we can view?
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Thanks ;) I had great fun shooting that big lens
Here is an still image with the relay
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7027/26568291800_8e9e881811_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GtKrwy)_EGL2384 (https://flic.kr/p/GtKrwy) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
Quite impressive performance I think
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Thanks ;) I had great fun shooting that big lens
Here is an still image with the relay.
Quite impressive performance I think
Thanks Erik.
I'd missed that one on your flickr page.
Yes I agree, quite impressive............considering all the glass that the light has had to travel through, the image has remained quite sharp.
Please let us know when you upload any video footage.
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The video was posted in the Scotland thread ;)
Here the video. Butt of Lewis - Nikkor Fisheye 6mm Nikon D810 16:9 Video - Lens relay 35mm 1.4 50mm 1.2 Ais
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3494.msg51627.html#msg51627 (http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3494.msg51627.html#msg51627)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZLxgon9x9_Y (https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZLxgon9x9_Y)
The end framing is directly into the sunset, giving an unique orange circular flare along the edge of the frame ;)
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Here is a 100% crop from the still frame, very impressive IMHO
BTW the weather was challenging, rain and lots of wind,,,
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A side note: I spent quite some time trying to optimise the output from the relay system by combining various optical items and spacers. The final configuration worked very well for HD video at least, producing crisp and clear footage.
Inserting a field lens into the relay might have improved rendition further because the relay optics could be stopped down more, but vignetting is always an issue in these setups. A general notice is that the only stopping down should occur at the front lens, in this case the 6 mm f/2.8 Fisheye, not on any of the relay optics. I mention this because it is a counter-intuitive principle to what most people would select, but the recommendation has a most reliable source (Brian Caldwell).
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A huge thanks to Bjørn for assembling the relay and to Jan Ann for lending me his 50mm
The peak image quality was at f/5.6
By a huge margin!
The whole set up of the relay was very tricky, the tolerances to reach peak performance was super tight. I used quite some time as well fine tuning the optimal length of the k-rings to enable a margin to 'focus' the length of the relay.
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Here's Erik in action at the Butt of Lewis, always with one hand on the setup to prevent it from tipping over the cliff :)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7202/26840974195_c4747feb4c_o.jpg)
Canon 85/1.2 FD SSC on Sony a7S, wide open
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7739/26806897106_feb503401e_o.jpg)
Voigtlander 15/4.5 FE on Sony a7S
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And the big fish in action at the Stones of Callanish, Isle of Lewis.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7069/26822992335_c22743d8db_o.jpg)
Canon 85/1.2 FD SSC on a Sony a7S
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7381/26728876092_1e78dcbfe4_o.jpg)
Canon 100-400 IS MkII on Sony a7RII
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Finally got around not only to see, but actually use, this legendary lens. Still no CPU in it, though but the new owner has just to call :D
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220 degrees 360 degrees makes for a huge difference indeed,,, That's why I build the vertical base ;)
I have offered to sell the vertical base to come along with the 6mm, if he doesn't buy it I'll re-build it to fit the 10.5mm AF-D to be able to do two shot stitches of approximately 200 degrees for 360 degree circular images similar to the 6mm but filling the D810 frame quite a bit more, I have all ready started the thread some time ago,,,
And if he buys it I will do a similar but smaller rig, no need for the same heft since the 10.5mm is tiny!
It can actually just rest on the Zacuto finder frame and rotate on that
Erik,
Could you elaborate a little bit on how to use the 10.5mm AF-D for 360 degree circular images? (an example would be great!)
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Kim have a look in this thread:
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,2948.new.html#new
Best to keep it out of the 6mm thread I think ;)
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Kim have a look in this thread:
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,2948.new.html#new
Best to keep it out of the 6mm thread I think ;)
Thanks - looks very interesting!
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Here another 'Product' from the Scotland Event and the 6mm Fisheye Nikkor - A meeting table.
I'm really impress by the carpenters work - including the tree like that.
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7647/27947596844_eb144fd056_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JzCJS1)_EGL5685 (https://flic.kr/p/JzCJS1) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
And here with glass top - I'm sure an anti-reflex coating would have done this justice,,, but expensive,,,
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8694/27947600984_b93d27450b_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JzCL6o)_EGL5686 (https://flic.kr/p/JzCL6o) by Erik Gunst Lund (https://www.flickr.com/photos/erik_lund/), on Flickr
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Fantastic ! is only word that comes to mind.
You could have built a formidable industry out of this lens, Erik. A pity it was passed on.
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Oh, Erik, THIS IS SUPERB!!!
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I want a Callanish Standing Stone table. In stone ....
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Even anti-kitschists have to admit that table is really, really cool!
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Wow, that's really really beautiful.
Do you take the table to Photokina? It' a real NikonGear event table. ;D
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Very creative "round table frame"
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Cool. ! Very original table !
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Erik - thanks for sharing. You just make me feel ill. :o
;D ;D ;D
wow
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Wow, absolutely stunning.
Awesome idea!
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Here another 'Product' from the Scotland Event and the 6mm Fisheye Nikkor - A meeting table.
Wonderful!
Dave
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not original Hans J. Wegner, but time will tell :)
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Amazing!!!
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Thank you for all the nice comments! I thourght the idea was a little over the top but am very pleased with the outcome - I'll pass the comments on to the carpenter ;)
Bjørn, agree an stone table version should have the standing stones on top ;D
Thomas, true, definetly not the Wegner class that we normaly sourround ourself with here in Denmark,,,
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I did not say it is not Wegner class - that is your definition - I said time will tell....(if you will set the new trend in this direction ;)
edit: I find your style of using it personally and professional, so thus it might create a new trend - there are opportunities, that do not belong in this thread :edit end
reflections should be less with a micro etched surface on a 3mm hardened glass, antirefective coating will probably not survive glasses and knives beeing pushed over it
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Here a couple of images of the brighter not so well known brother the Fisheye-Nikkor 6mm f/1.4 8)
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I W A N T O N E
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How come I've missed seeing that table until now - that is truly stunning!
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Thanks Jørgen 8)
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Never seen that lens before...
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In conjunction with the first round of discussions on the might 6/2.8, the f/1.4 came up. It probably is intended for a much smaller format then its big brother though. Seems there is some kind of relay system/beamsplitter attached to it.
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I was about to ask the same question about the bow tie - hope you do have one of these, Erik?
Bow tie? I thought it was a bat. ;)