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Gear Talk => Processing & Publication => Topic started by: Nikfuson on December 03, 2021, 19:23:48

Title: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Nikfuson on December 03, 2021, 19:23:48
I am hugely impressed with DXO's technology.
Tried my best to de-noise the same image with ACR but got nowhere close.
Our Golden modelling for this test.
Z6 @ ISO 32000.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on December 03, 2021, 19:36:44
thanks, this is seriously impressive - ISO 32'000?
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on December 03, 2021, 19:43:15
Have you tried the Topaz denoiser? I hear good things about it.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Nikfuson on December 03, 2021, 20:03:26
Have you tried the Topaz denoiser? I hear good things about it.

I tried Topaz but no cigar there either.
After trying Deep Prime free for some time I was impressed enough to purchase Pure Raw (the raw converter with Deep Prime NR.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Nikfuson on December 03, 2021, 20:14:01
thanks, this is seriously impressive - ISO 32'000?

Yes, 32k.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on December 03, 2021, 20:38:23
Thanks for the hint on Pure RAW - interesting concept - I gave it a whizz bang whallop - this is very noisy D850 file - pity it doesn't support my X100V:
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: golunvolo on December 03, 2021, 21:59:42
The detail conservation is impressive
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Akira on December 03, 2021, 22:06:12
Looks really impressive.  Thank you for sharing, Sten.

- pity it doesn't support my X100V:

Unfortunately, DXO traditionally ignores non-Bayer sensors completely.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on December 03, 2021, 22:14:34
Akira, their Photo Lab 5 Elite does XTRANS with the same deep prime algorithms (so far beta only).
I hope Pure RAW will get an update to support XTRANS. They can do it.

Golunvolo, have a look at the label on the cap: Adobe Camera RAW apart from lots of noise also no color, but the DXO version is quite nice
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Birna Rørslett on December 03, 2021, 22:17:57
The infamous "UV striping" of the Z6 proved too deep for DXO Deep Prime :(
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Akira on December 03, 2021, 22:58:17
Akira, their Photo Lab 5 Elite does XTRANS with the same deep prime algorithms (so far beta only).
I hope Pure RAW will get an update to support XTRANS. They can do it.

Really?  They must have changed their mind!  When I was using Photpo Lab and  referred to DXO Marks website several years ago, there was no hint for them interested in X-Trans sensor.  Capture One handled my X-Trans sensor images marvelously.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: MFloyd on December 04, 2021, 10:55:40
I confirm. Having tested DxO Deep Prime and compared it to my Lr&Ps environment, the former performs better. Nevertheless, DxO is nowhere compared to Adobe in a professional work environment. So it’s a NoGo.

PS: I used to be a DxO subscriber.

NB: DxO takes also ages before providing updates for new bodies / lenses. The latter also as a result that each pair lens/body has to be tested by DxO.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Nikfuson on December 04, 2021, 14:18:09
I confirm. Having tested DxO Deep Prime and compared it to my Lr&Ps environment, the former performs better. Nevertheless, DxO is nowhere compared to Adobe in a professional work environment. So it’s a NoGo.

PS: I used to be a DxO subscriber.

NB: DxO takes also ages before providing updates for new bodies / lenses. The latter also as a result that each pair lens/body has to be tested by DxO.

I agree with the photo editing capabilities in general but for me Pure Raw is the ticket when it comes to NR.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Bill Mellen on December 04, 2021, 16:19:11
Really?  They must have changed their mind!  When I was using Photpo Lab and  referred to DXO Marks website several years ago, there was no hint for them interested in X-Trans sensor.  Capture One handled my X-Trans sensor images marvelously.

They did change their mind!  DxO Photolab 5 (Elite Version) supports Fuji X-Trans sensors very nicely!

Apparently, the standard version does not.

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: MFloyd on December 04, 2021, 17:10:05
I agree with the photo editing capabilities in general but for me Pure Raw is the ticket when it comes to NR.

I keep NR correction to the lowest possible level; this together by using a D6 and never exceeding ISO 25’600. If there is still some noise, so be it.  ;)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50372509812_a8c13f8b62_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jKfhdu)
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24h Le Mans 2020 - between Indianapolis and Mulsanne
Nikon D6
Nikkor VR 70-200mm f/2.8E
ƒ/2.8  112.0 mm 1/160s  ISO 20000
Lr Classic pp.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Akira on December 05, 2021, 05:35:12
I confirm. Having tested DxO Deep Prime and compared it to my Lr&Ps environment, the former performs better. Nevertheless, DxO is nowhere compared to Adobe in a professional work environment. So it’s a NoGo.

PS: I used to be a DxO subscriber.

NB: DxO takes also ages before providing updates for new bodies / lenses. The latter also as a result that each pair lens/body has to be tested by DxO.

I used to be as well, but the very limitation was one of the reasons for my departure.  My current SIGMA fp uses DNG for the native RAW format, but the DXO software doesn't support SIGMA cameras!


They did change their mind!  DxO Photolab 5 (Elite Version) supports Fuji X-Trans sensors very nicely!

Apparently, the standard version does not.

https://www.dxo.com/supported-cameras/


Bill, thank you for the additional info. 
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: David H. Hartman on December 05, 2021, 06:29:46
Has anyone here use ON1 NoNoise AI?
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Nikfuson on December 05, 2021, 18:17:34
Has anyone here use ON1 NoNoise AI?

Just did a quick test and it is not as good as PR in my opinion. Very blotchy OOF areas.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: David H. Hartman on December 05, 2021, 21:34:43
Thank you for the feedback.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on December 06, 2021, 06:29:10
I did a comparison with Topaz Denoise which I used previously (right) and DxO Pure Raw (left). Noise attenuation and color restoration of DxO is clearly better:
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Akira on December 06, 2021, 11:27:05
I did a comparison with Topaz Denoise which I used previously (right) and DxO Pure Raw (left). Noise attenuation and color restoration of DxO is clearly better:

Daniel, to me, the Topaz image looks crispier and the detail is more preserved (especially the salt-and-pepper beard).  DXO image does look cleaner but the detail seems to be more smeared.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on December 06, 2021, 12:28:10
Thanks for your assessment Akira. I see what you see and I guess it now comes down to personal preference. I quite like the ability of DxO to preserve color. When I zoom out the DxO photos look more pleasing to my eye. But I plan to only use it when things have been tricky.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: Akira on December 06, 2021, 17:55:27
Thanks for your assessment Akira. I see what you see and I guess it now comes down to personal preference. I quite like the ability of DxO to preserve color. When I zoom out the DxO photos look more pleasing to my eye. But I plan to only use it when things have been tricky.

Daniel, yes, of course, the final verdict will depend on the personal taste and also usage.  If the sample image is just a small part of the entire frame, the difference would be negligible and the overall look of the frame should be much more important.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on March 18, 2022, 05:19:11
DXO just released V2.0 of Pure RAW which now supports also Fuji XTRANS RAW. This is very good news as I use my X100V a lot. The optimisation is a neatly integrated plugin in Lr or runs the standalone app. The code is optimised for Apple M1 silicon. My first impressions are very positive.
Title: Re: Noise reduction - DXO vs. Adobe
Post by: aerobat on March 19, 2022, 20:11:10
This is a reconverted X100V RAW. I like the denoising and color retention in night shots.