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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: null on March 28, 2016, 11:55:16

Title: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: null on March 28, 2016, 11:55:16
Thought it would be fun to put up pictures taken with Fast lenses. I have a couple of those, Nikon F-Mount and Leica Mount.

50mm F1.1 Nokton, Wide-Open: (ignore the camera's "estimated" F-Stop, there is no linkage between the lens and the camera for aperture.)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5679/23484466864_64281c07d5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BMf2P7)L1006593 (https://flic.kr/p/BMf2P7) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5734/24004611272_cfb25bfabf_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CzcUC9)L1006592 (https://flic.kr/p/CzcUC9) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5789/24004611452_10a946cc28_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CzcUFf)L1006582 (https://flic.kr/p/CzcUFf) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

Nikkor 50/1.2 Ais, Wide-Open:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5689/24030107821_945ffe1692_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CBszRP)DSC_7884 (https://flic.kr/p/CBszRP) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1620/23485914683_1634efd1e7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BMnscv)DSC_7905 (https://flic.kr/p/BMnscv) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: null on March 28, 2016, 12:00:13
Nokton 35/1.2, wide-open.



(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1708/24156477895_5670dba272_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CNCghc)Udvar Hazy, Jan 2016 (https://flic.kr/p/CNCghc) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5754/23860838300_8721650cd6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Cmv2VN)Udvar Hazy, Jan 2016 (https://flic.kr/p/Cmv2VN) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5829/23788666719_cda1679944_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Cf88Qc)Udvar Hazy, Jan 2016 (https://flic.kr/p/Cf88Qc) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/512/18970241924_758eceeff7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uUks1C)Skyline Caverns (https://flic.kr/p/uUks1C) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 12:53:28
Noct-Nikkor 58 mm f/1.2 at f/1.2.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:10:16
Repro-Nikkor 85 mm f/1 at f/1
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on March 28, 2016, 13:20:21
Cool topic. Great ppictures, Bjørn.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on March 28, 2016, 13:26:41
These are my kind of photos :)
Unfortunately, I don't have any super-speed f/1.2 and faster lenses to contribute...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: null on March 28, 2016, 13:29:40
Nikkor 55/1.2Ai, wide-open on the Df.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/569/22227959736_04177ebfc9_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zSd727)Marine Museum, Quantico (https://flic.kr/p/zSd727) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/671/22264541141_0e9e3ce209_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/zVrAoZ)Marine Museum, Quantico (https://flic.kr/p/zVrAoZ) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:34:20
Elephant's feet. Oude Delft Rayxar 65 mm f/0.75

(at f/0.75, the only available aperture)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on March 28, 2016, 13:38:32
Agree, great topic.

The front of the canon image looks like all around it is melting ...

Fascinating rendering of the tree by Bjørn
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:41:24
Fallen autumn leaf on water. Oude Delft 65 mm f/075.

This is an example of the inherent 3-D effect of the superfast lenses. Their entrance pupil is so large that the subject might be viewed under different perspectives.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on March 28, 2016, 13:45:48
Great idea for a themed topic :)

Here's two images with the two f/1.2 lenses I own.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2935/14445459596_31181d475b_o.jpg)
Sony a7R with Voigtlander 35/1.2, Montenegro 2014

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2701/4518516067_7dbc0b318e_o.jpg)
D3s with 50/1.2, Spain 2010
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:46:55
Another example of the 3-D effect. Winter rose (Hellebore) with the Repro-Nikkor 85 mm f/1 @ f/1.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:49:04
Leafing beech wood and Stave Church, Fantoft outside Bergen, Norway. Noct-Nikkor.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on March 28, 2016, 13:52:11
These are my kind of photos :)
Unfortunately, I don't have any super-speed f/1.2 and faster lenses to contribute...

I thought you had a fast Heligon, Jakov ?

Df + 55mm AI @ f/1.2.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 13:59:50
Jakov has the 100 mm f/1.6 which of course is "slow" ...

The classic superspeed lens, Rodenstock Heligon 50 mm f/0.75.

By the way, don't try to follow my example unless you are well aware of what you are doing, as this can be dangerous to your eyesight. No kidding.

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on March 28, 2016, 14:12:39
The last one is phenomenal, Bjørn!

I have quite a few heligon shots here: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,1448.0.html
No need to double post them I guess.
The fact remains  I don't posses a f/1.2 lens or faster :)

My question would be: is a 100/1.6 faster than a 50/1.2?
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 14:22:03
Not seen as a lens "speed". f/1.2 is faster. However, the entrance pupil of the 100/1.6 is much larger: 62.5 mm compared to 41.7 mm of the 50 mm lens.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Geerts on March 28, 2016, 14:48:45
Beautiful examples, Bjørn.

Night Fence  with the Nikkor 55/1.2 Ai
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 14:55:35
Into the winter night (IR, Noct @f/1.2).
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Fons Baerken on March 28, 2016, 15:11:40
Acquilegia 2010

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5535/12287706094_63f2ece01b_b.jpg)

D700 50/1.2
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 16:11:39
Rear ended Noct f/1.2
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: null on March 28, 2016, 17:38:42
...............
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Airy on March 28, 2016, 18:03:16
From ** with love : Paris

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Airy on March 28, 2016, 18:04:04
From ** with love : Roma (Fiumicino)

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Airy on March 28, 2016, 18:04:57
From ** with love : Brussels, café Houtsiplou, place Rouppe - my favourite place, next to rue du midi with the famous shop called PCH, the best second-hand lens dealer around.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Airy on March 28, 2016, 18:05:44
From ** with love : Lille
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Airy on March 28, 2016, 18:08:13
All above with 50/1.2 AI or AIS wide open. To finish with, a medley with lots of kraut, some tin, and two old friends :
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on March 28, 2016, 18:30:24
This shot was taken with a (sorry) Canon f/2.8 L Macro 6 years ago. I don't have anything interesting on my new f/1.4 yet, but wanted to join in ;D

(http://www.thenaturephotographer.club/thumbnails/1/1_thumb_0000001265_large.jpg) (http://www.thenaturephotographer.club/JohnKoerner/648/1265/medium)

This site renders the color different from what I see on my own site, but this photo was actually taken in my lawn (not removed/staged), and taken in the natural light in which it was found.

The light was admittedly harsh, but the green in the background is my lawn (in sunlight) with the darker green behind being the looming forest. Shot at f2/8.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Geerts on March 28, 2016, 19:16:00
The 'painting' abilities of a fast lens

Nikkor 55/1.2 Ai
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on March 28, 2016, 19:34:00
CZJ Visionar 1.6/100mm with Speedbooster = 1.15 /72mm

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/523/19456182334_cd166c518b_o.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/476/20070905772_f22c2c0025_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 19:57:59
35 mm f/0.9 (50 mm f/1.2 Nikkor AIS + Metabones Speedbooster).
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Fons Baerken on March 28, 2016, 20:01:57
lovely Chamerion angustifolium 
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on March 28, 2016, 20:09:50
Meopta 1.0 50mm

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on March 28, 2016, 20:13:55
Thomas: great shots. Never heared of this lens. One copy was solt for 63 Euros a few days ago...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on March 28, 2016, 20:15:50
Orange alert.  Nikkor-O 55/1.2.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Fons Baerken on March 28, 2016, 20:17:43
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/455/19045517264_efa258e209_o.jpg)

Stella

50/1.2
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on March 28, 2016, 23:28:17
Thomas: great shots. Never heared of this lens. One copy was solt for 63 Euros a few days ago...

thx Frank - it is a projector lens with 52.5mm diameter, short register only on mirrorless usable after modification
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 28, 2016, 23:48:55
The industrial lens 55 mm f/1.2 CRT Nikkor-O, designed for recording faint oscilloscope traces on CRT scopes and hence deliberately made with an inversely curved field.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on March 29, 2016, 01:34:08
Another example of what the 55 mm f/1.2 CRT Nikkor-O can deliver. Given it was made for narrowband phosphors of the CRT display its ability to cope with broad-spectrum daylight is actually quite a surprise.

The lens was designed for a narrow range of magnification, around 1:4 to 1:5, and needs a short-register camera system if one wants to push it further towards infinity. However, due to its specially designed field curvature, it will show a massive fall-off of sharpness towards the periphery of the frame for any subject outside the near range.

This capture of a Wood Anemone (Anemone nemorosa) was acquired with a Nikon D3X at 1:3.5 magnification and f/1.2. The perfect circles of confusion is a hallmark of this industrial lens.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: null on March 29, 2016, 02:16:06
Nokton 50/1.1 wide-open, on the M Monochrom.



(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1569/24074003551_76e87be46a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CFkywK)Udvar Hazy, Jan 2016 (https://flic.kr/p/CFkywK) by fiftyonepointsix (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on March 29, 2016, 02:22:46
Another example of what the 55 mm f/1.2 CRT Nikkor-O can deliver. Given it was made for narrowband phosphors of the CRT display its ability to cope with broad-spectrum daylight is actually quite a surprise.

The lens was designed for a narrow range of magnification, around 1:4 to 1:5, and needs a short-register camera system if one wants to push it further towards infinity. However, due to its specially designed field curvature, it will show a massive fall-off of sharpness towards the periphery of the frame for any subject outside the near range.

This capture of a Wood Anemone (Anemone nemorosa) was acquired with a Nikon D3X at 1:3.5 magnification and f/1.2. The perfect circles of confusion is a hallmark of this industrial lens.

Just superb,
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on April 01, 2016, 08:04:34
A bit different approach, last autumn. CZJ Visionar + speed booster 1.1.5/72mm

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/656/22466617715_f43bd1d01c_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 01, 2016, 09:27:28
35 mm f/0.9 (50 mm f/1.2 Nikkor AIS + Metabones Speedbooster).

A dream in Pink!

How does this converter work? How can a 50 turn into a 35?
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Hugh_3170 on April 01, 2016, 11:37:04
Bjørn, what sensor size is involved here?

BTW, very nice image.

35 mm f/0.9 (50 mm f/1.2 Nikkor AIS + Metabones Speedbooster).
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 01, 2016, 13:00:07
A dream in Pink!

How does this converter work? How can a 50 turn into a 35?

In combination with a 0.7X focal reducer. Metabones makes such reducers for several formats. I use the 50/1.2 AIS Nikkor on my Panasonics and get 35 mm f/0.9 as a result.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 01, 2016, 13:01:07
Bjørn, what sensor size is involved here?

BTW, very nice image.

A Panasonic GH-2.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on April 05, 2016, 05:01:11
Nikon NIKKOR 50mm f/1.2
(Recent birthday for my brother ... one candle for each decade :o)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on April 05, 2016, 05:02:42
And the angry doggy ... who didn't get to partake ;D
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 05, 2016, 05:35:09
John Koerner. Love the birthday set. Esp. The flower with bokeh mother.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Koerner on April 05, 2016, 16:04:02
John Koerner. Love the birthday set. Esp. The flower with bokeh mother.

Thanks Frank. It was fun taking "atypical" shots at my brother's party, and the "bokeh mom" working to prepare his cake behind the flower was my favorite too :)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 07, 2016, 11:40:22
Oude Delft 65 mm f/075.
On what camera are these photographs with the Oude Delft 65mm taken? Didn't you once write an article showing how to modify this lens (or some other of the ultra-fast exotics that you have) for F-mount or Nikon 1 mount or m4/3? I can't seem to find it now.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 12:14:45
 
On what camera are these photographs with the Oude Delft 65mm taken? Didn't you once write an article showing how to modify this lens (or some other of the ultra-fast exotics that you have) for F-mount or Nikon 1 mount or m4/3? I can't seem to find it now.

I have written lots on that topic, but the stuff is no longer available to me either.

For the Elephant's Feet, a Panasonic GH-2.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on April 07, 2016, 12:43:18
I have written lots on that topic, but the stuff is no longer available to me either.

This may be of food for thoughts?

http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,479.0.html
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 13:01:51
Talk about losing the overview !!  Thanks, Akira.

I knew there was an article on this topic somewhere ...

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 07, 2016, 13:09:43
Bjørn: How about sorting the

[lens talk]

or at least the

[lens review]

by focal length?
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 13:15:54
Poor Andrea - - - more SQL wizardry.

Automated sorting demands a level of adherence to formatting rules not easy to enforce with any efficiency.

For the time being, let Andrea get the opportunity to do her annual Tax Returns.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on April 07, 2016, 13:42:24
Talk about losing the overview !!  Thanks, Akira.

I knew there was an article on this topic somewhere ...

Bjørn, the categorization here is successful.  I could think of nothing other than "What The Nerds Do" section.   ;D
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 07, 2016, 14:22:06
I have to say that whenever I searched for something on NG by using the search box I succeeded :)
Perhaps I was just lucky until now...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 07, 2016, 16:10:48
This may be of food for thoughts?

http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,479.0.html

Thanks, I was looking for 'De Oude Delft' which isn't mentioned in that thread, but instead a Rodenstock 50/0.75.
I have access to a cheap Oude Delft 65/0.75, don't know what I will do with it, but it was too cheap to pass up.
I will have to find a mechanic of some sort to make it usable on some camera, so any thread with information on these sorts of modifications are helpful.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 16:21:05
The lens (65/0.75) is useable on any camera, but its bulk and weight make it quite impractical, if I might say so. The register distance is extremely short and if exceeded will generate a highly curved field.

I have seen a very interesting application though for that lens. A guy make it into a superspeed astrocamera. Using film, as even the better mirrorless cameras available today will put the lens at too far distance from the sensor plane. Haven't the reference at hand now, but an internet search should bring it up.

I believe the old Nikongear had an article on making an F mount for the 65 Oude Delft. It is not that difficult but requires you play with adapters and step rings. I hold my solution in hand as I write this. It even has a CPU ...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 07, 2016, 16:43:14
Yes, I was expecting it to be quite bulky.
Does it cover the FX format or are you using the F mount as an intermediate stage with further adapters?

EDIT: I now found the thread on fotozones, it's a long thread response to a question by Bez on how to adapt a Rayxar lens and also contains images. We might consider reposting it here as I think it is very valuable, unless this breaches any contracts.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 17:04:50
No, should be reposted. Problem might only be if it is hidden behind some kind of paywall. Put the link here and I'll investigate. As BEZ is a member here on NG and I wrote the stuff there should be no infringement involved.

All those 'X-ray' and image intensifier/relay tandem lenses do cover the usual formats up to FX as they increase the projected image circle when the lens is pushed outside its designed conjugate parameters.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 07, 2016, 17:06:25
I can send it to you via PM later so you can post it in a thread under your name.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 07, 2016, 17:09:19
Thanks. Will do.

Now, back to that dreadful bimonthly VAT returns. I think I'll do the final accounting while watching "Der Untergang" on streamed TV. A suitable combination of terms so to speak.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: BEZ on April 08, 2016, 00:15:33
No, should be reposted. Problem might only be if it is hidden behind some kind of paywall. Put the link here and I'll investigate. As BEZ is a member here on NG and I wrote the stuff there should be no infringement involved.

My posts are deleted on FOTOZONES but I still have the images, I can post them on a new thread here?

The link to the "Superspeed Astrocam"   https://sites.google.com/site/francoisastrocat/

Simone, I can bring my RAYXAR to Killin so you can see the mount Bjørn explained?  ..and yes it covers FX sensors.

Cheers
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on April 08, 2016, 01:54:00
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5565/14340567448_bb4673953b_o.jpg)
With Bjørns Df and 58/1.2, Montenegro 2014
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 08, 2016, 02:09:06
My posts are deleted on FOTOZONES but I still have the images, I can post them on a new thread here?

The link to the "Superspeed Astrocam"   https://sites.google.com/site/francoisastrocat/

Simone, I can bring my RAYXAR to Killin so you can see the mount Bjørn explained?  ..and yes it covers FX sensors.

Cheers

Please do, BEZ. Start a new thread. Probably best in the Nerd board? As it deals with modifications and suchlike stuff.

I just fitted my Rayxar to the Sony A7 and will attempt to get something out of this combination  in the near future.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: BEZ on April 08, 2016, 04:56:03
Please do, BEZ. Start a new thread. Probably best in the Nerd board? As it deals with modifications and suchlike stuff.

I just fitted my Rayxar to the Sony A7 and will attempt to get something out of this combination  in the near future.

I will start a new thread later  ....I mostly use mine now with my fuji's and the lens is much closer to the sensor than with my D800. But I lose some of the dreamlike qualities the lens has on the Nikon.

Cheers
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 08, 2016, 11:38:42
My posts are deleted on FOTOZONES but I still have the images, I can post them on a new thread here?

The link to the "Superspeed Astrocam"   https://sites.google.com/site/francoisastrocat/

Simone, I can bring my RAYXAR to Killin so you can see the mount Bjørn explained?  ..and yes it covers FX sensors.

Cheers

Hi Bez,
Thanks for joining the discussion.
I already sent the fragments that Bjørn wrote to him, I think with your help we can reconstruct the discussion.
Thanks for the offer to bring the lens. If it's no burden for you to bring it, it would of course be interesting to play around with it.
Meanwhile, my lens (Oude Delft 65/0.75) arrived. At 50$, it was a real bargain I couldn't pass up, even though I had by no means been looking specifically to buy such a lens. Most likely, I won't have a mounting solution ready until the Scotland meeting.
A quick grab shot, I included the Nikon 50/1.2 AI-s, the next fastest lens I have, for size comparison:
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Erik Lund on April 08, 2016, 11:55:38
That's a bargain ;) You got a lot for your money at least ;)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: simsurace on April 08, 2016, 12:01:44
That's a bargain ;) You got a lot for your money at least ;)
Yes, the amount of glass per $ is quite amazing, usually with fast glass you only get a fraction of a gram per $.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 08, 2016, 12:08:13
I have to say that whenever I searched for something on NG by using the search box I succeeded :)

I have given up local search and do search with google site search.

As is takes load off the site I recommend to replace local search with google site search. Also good for google ranking.

After the lovely one has done her taxes...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 08, 2016, 12:14:05
50 US$? incredible. The cheapest version on Ebay Germany is 666 € currently, the dearest is 1500...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 08, 2016, 12:30:16
Proof of concept. The Rayxar 65 mm f/0.75 mounted on a Sony NEX-3. My alternate experimental Sony body, compliments from Jan Anne by the way.

Just a snapshot of the earlier photo posted by Simone, using the Rayxar/NEX-3 setup, handheld.. The lens casing is probably near pristine when it is removed from the device holder.

"It works"
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on April 09, 2016, 18:32:48
Blue bell bloom begins. (in gardens, not yet in the woods).

Nikkor 55mm f1.2 on Sony nex 5. (full aperture)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 09, 2016, 20:37:29
Francis, very nice. I envy you guys on the speedy lenses.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on April 09, 2016, 20:55:33
I envy you guys on the speedy lenses.
Jakovic, you can buy the 50/1.2 new for roughly the same price as second models:
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/Genuine-Nikon-AI-s-50mm-f-1-2-Lens-AiS-Nikkor-50-mm-f1-2-Manual-Focus-MF-Japan-/301657449400?hash=item463c2f63b8:g:O3IAAOSw7FRWWCgR
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Geerts on April 09, 2016, 21:07:14
Also the 55 / 1.2 Ai    (Which I like more than the 50 1.2  Ai )
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on April 09, 2016, 21:35:14
Francis, very nice. I envy you guys on the speedy lenses.

Ta, Javov !

Also the 55 / 1.2 Ai    (Which I like more than the 50 1.2  Ai )

I think we love it for the same reasons, its optical issues and aberrations...Don't we ? ;)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Geerts on April 09, 2016, 21:48:13
Ta, Javov !

I think we love it for the same reasons, its optical issues and aberrations...Don't we ? ;)
I think so Francis  ;)

 I have now both Ai-versions:  so the last 55mm and one of the first 50mm. They  basically share the same 'issue's' regarding being a fast lens.

In comparison:   The bokeh-rendering of the 55 is a bit softer than the 50 in close up. At a distant the 55 is a bit blurrier than the 50 wide open. That gives more issues (and opportunities) indeed  ;)   The focal length of the 55mm is a plus in my view.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 09, 2016, 22:11:08
Beautiful image, John.
I hereby declare that I will refrain from buying any more lenses in the near future  ::)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: John Geerts on April 09, 2016, 22:21:02
Thanks Jakov.

Well, perhaps an option is to sell one, and buy something else back  ;)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on April 09, 2016, 22:26:31
I hereby declare that I will refrain from buying any more lenses in the near future  ::)
Amigo, you can borrow my 50/1.2 all you want in Scotland so you can participate in this topic as well :)

Wil also bring a Canon FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical but that isn't gonna do you any good ;D
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 09, 2016, 22:48:54
Jan Anne, what if I bring along my Canon AE-1 Program 35mm SLR :)
Would it work then? Although, I would not know where to buy film  ;D

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 10, 2016, 22:59:33
... Will also bring a Canon FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical but that isn't gonna do you any good ;D

Don't say that. We travel with the famous Dr. Lens. I can take a few spare bayonet mounts with me. Give Erik a few minutes to work his magic and the Canon will fit Jakov's camera. Well, not to infinity focus probably, but I foresee no problems otherwise ... :D
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 10, 2016, 23:14:35
On the flip side, Jan Anne can use the Enigma 125 mm f/1.2 on his Sony ...

This snapshot is mostly a proof of concept.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on April 18, 2016, 19:23:49
I've found three fast lenses made by Kowa on the commissioned sale in Tokyo.  They appear to be X-Ray lenses: 55mm/f1.1 (24,000 JPY), 65mm/f0.75 (80,000 JPY) and 95 or 90mm/f0.95 (80,000 JPY).  They all look like Rodenstock Heligons.  None of them are listed in Klaus' Macro Lens Database.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on April 22, 2016, 07:08:32
I've found three fast lense made by Kowa on the commissioned sale in Tokyo.  They appear to be X-Ray lenses: 55mm/f1.1 (24,000 JPY), 65mm/f0.75 (80,000 JPY) and 95 or 90mm/f0.95 (80,000 JPY).  They all look like Rodenstock Heligons.  None of them are listed in Klaus' Macro Lens Database.

I have many unlisted lenses as I stopped around 300. Now I'm at 600++ but don't have teh time to update...
I know those and have a few of them, they are often nearly identical lenses built by many manufacturers (Rodenstock, Varo, De Oude Delft, Canon and Leitz at least) based on demands of system integrators for such X-Ray machines (such as PICKER Corp.)

Canon 0.75/65mm vs 0.75/Leitz 65mm both made for Picker Corp.:
(http://macrolenses.de/bilder/IMG_5966_wp_b.jpg)

(http://macrolenses.de/bilder/IMG_5666_wp_b.jpg)

Canon 0.75/65mm: http://macrolenses.de/ml_detail_sl.php?ObjektiveNr=109 (http://macrolenses.de/ml_detail_sl.php?ObjektiveNr=109)

and here the Leitz 1/90mm http://macrolenses.de/ml_detail_sl.php?ObjektiveNr=160 (http://macrolenses.de/ml_detail_sl.php?ObjektiveNr=160)

Btw. I find the prices quoted extremely high for such lenses ;-)

And here some assembly incl. KOWA ones:
(http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/455_monster_lumens_1_7326k_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on April 22, 2016, 07:23:04
Klaus, thanks for chiming in.

Btw. I find the prices quoted extremely high for such lenses ;-)

I know.  That's why I didn't dare to buy any of them.  :)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 22, 2016, 09:53:47
Dr Klaus, that's a beautiful collection of fancy lenses!
I would really like to see some images from these gems :)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on April 22, 2016, 16:53:11
Dr Klaus, that's a beautiful collection of fancy lenses!
I would really like to see some images from these gems :)

Here you go...

0.75/50mm
(http://www.pbase.com/kds315/image/83816031/large.jpg)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Akira on April 22, 2016, 17:30:20
Rudbekia goes critical...
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: chris dees on April 22, 2016, 17:36:24
The more ordinary 55/1.2 S.C
Almost SOOC, just a little PP in LR (I like all those abbreviations  ;D)

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on April 22, 2016, 21:46:47
Received the 85/1.2 today and only had time to take a few test shots after the sun decided to warm another part of the globe. Missed the focus on the ever moving eyes but the goal was to get acquainted with the boke qualities of the lens and first impressions are positive.

Boke balls do become lemon shape in the corners like with the 50/1.2 but that I already knew so no surprises here, nailing focus at f/1.2 will be challenge however ;D

Beer, checking out his newly fenced playground
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1545/26555229056_ee9d24d4d7_o.jpg)
Sony a7RII with Canon FD 85/1.2 SSC Aspherical
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Thomas G on April 22, 2016, 23:55:17
Here you go...

0.75/50mm
(http://www.pbase.com/kds315/image/83816031/large.jpg)
Wow, plasma generator. Very nice!
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jakov Minić on April 23, 2016, 00:23:36
Chris, I love those colorful flowers!
Dr Klaus, thank you for showing us a photo!
Jan Anne, I am certain you will make good use of the 85/1.2 as will Beer with your fence :)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jan Anne on April 23, 2016, 01:22:01
Jan Anne, I am certain you will make good use of the 85/1.2 as will Beer with your fence :)
We'll see, never really connected with 85mm like I did with 35 and 50mm.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: pluton on April 23, 2016, 08:31:41
@1.2, 55mm K
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Erik Lund on April 23, 2016, 09:54:24
Congratulations on you new super fast Jan Ann! Looking forward to more! ;)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Andrew on April 23, 2016, 13:05:03
Pasqueflowers and plum blooming 50/1.2 with PK-11A=but ring chipped for Heligon-wrong info!
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: the solitaire on April 25, 2016, 13:47:10
I'll join in the fun.

Nikon 55mm f1,2 Nikkor-S.C which is the only f1,2 (or faster) lens I own

All photos taken with Nikon D3 and the lens at f1,2

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/540/18990681964_c8455e8ecc_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/uW9d87)DSC_7316 (https://flic.kr/p/uW9d87) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/356/18350691538_e6871848a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tXA6gq)DSC_5924 (https://flic.kr/p/tXA6gq) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7735/17640471874_f331783e10_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sSQ2GN)_DSC3656-2 (https://flic.kr/p/sSQ2GN) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7741/18193331902_4270efd557_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tHFzJf)DSC_3500 (https://flic.kr/p/tHFzJf) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7734/18199662731_4ff2babbe7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tJf2Et)DSC_2576 (https://flic.kr/p/tJf2Et) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8820/18171611406_d2149a9bec_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tFLfYW)DSC_4650 (https://flic.kr/p/tFLfYW) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on April 25, 2016, 18:06:39
Dog and woman looking at each other is a fantastic shot with some wonderful bokeh!!
((quote))
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7735/17640471874_f331783e10_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sSQ2GN)_DSC3656-2 (https://flic.kr/p/sSQ2GN) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/)
((unquote))

Congrats!!

P.S.: These are Tervuren dogs?
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: the solitaire on April 25, 2016, 18:30:37
Thank you very much

Amy is a Malinois belgian shephard

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8834/17570778504_a4027be8de_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sLEQhY)DSC_0544 (https://flic.kr/p/sLEQhY) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

Lumi is our Tervuren belgian shephard

(shot below at f2)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7795/18196692575_e5631bf62c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tHYNJT)DSC_4557 (https://flic.kr/p/tHYNJT) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

(this one at f1,2 again)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/497/17916269974_a70ace70c7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ticySs)DSC_5652 (https://flic.kr/p/ticySs) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

And the woman is my girlfriend :)

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8830/18316490579_f46f51a9ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tUyNvH)DSC_5585 (https://flic.kr/p/tUyNvH) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr

Both also at f1,2

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8831/18316435019_211929aa17_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/tUyvZM)DSC_5591 (https://flic.kr/p/tUyvZM) by b j (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132836932@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on April 25, 2016, 23:00:55
Lumi is our Tervuren belgian shephard

Superb Tervueren !

I had two. One of them looked like yours! ;)

Below, just got this fast lens in France. No information about it on line. I just know the maker is an American company (FJW Industries INC).

50mm f/0.75.

I don't know yet how to convert it in F mount... :) Will be trickier than the heligon, I guess.

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on April 25, 2016, 23:29:50
Shouldn't be that difficult? There is plenty of massive metal to drill into :D

First step is getting a foundation with solid threads. A Cokin adapter plate with 52 mm threads is a perfect starting point. Fasten it with three holes through which solid flat-head screws are run. From there on, just add K-rings as spacers and end with  K-2 to make an F-mount. 
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on April 26, 2016, 00:36:37
Superb Tervueren !

I had two. One of them looked like yours! ;)

Below, just got this fast lens in France. No information about it on line. I just know the maker is an American company (FJW Industries INC).

50mm f/0.75.

I don't know yet how to convert it in F mount... :) Will be trickier than the heligon, I guess.

You cannot, well at least not very useful on a Nikon. A mirrorless camera would be the way to go, as they have a much shorter distance mount to sensor. This lens looks exactly like my De Oude Delft and Zeiss jena 0.75/50mm I had, both with very short back focal length of just a few millimeter. I had my mechanic make a thin adapter plate with a large female thread fitting the lens and a M42 male thread on his lathe, which could be screwed onto the outer large diameter thread of that lens. Then added a very thin M42 helicoid to it with rear camera mount fitting my LUMIX camera. Not difficult actually. And worked well for close up shots.

The lens:
(http://www.oldlens.com/lens%20component.jpg)
(C) oldlens.com
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on April 26, 2016, 11:46:38
Bjørn, Dr Klaus, thanks for these useful informations !

I will bring it to Killin anyway, along with my Proxxon tools (minidrill, stand + vice and lighted magnifier), so, to help all butchery sessions... ;D

Below, a little Daisy with the Heligon (unknown focal/aperture)
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on April 26, 2016, 11:49:49
Dog and woman looking at each other is a fantastic shot with some wonderful bokeh!!

+1 - that's a stunning photo and wow, that bokeh!
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: the solitaire on April 26, 2016, 12:04:26
+1 - that's a stunning photo and wow, that bokeh!

Thank you Jørgen. I did own a few 50mm f1,4 lenses but the 55mm f1,2 Nikkor-S.C really was an eye opener as to what makes super fast lenses so fascinating for creative use.

Oh, and I should not take all the credit for this photo. Editing was done by the model/my girlfriend. Kristina

The only other lenses that produce bokeh of a quality comparable as to what this lens has to offer are the 105mm f2,5 Nikkor-P in the older Sonnar optical design and the 5cm f2 Nikkor-S. They do not qualify for this thread but I had some excellent results with those lenses as well.

I use most of my lenses wide open most of the time. Main reason for that is that most all of the Nikkors have straight aperture blades and a limited quantity of them too. This really makes stopping down lenses into somewhat of a compromise. Fortunately all the Nikkor lenses I tried perform marvelously wide open as well.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on May 02, 2016, 18:18:18
Blue bell flower token with that combo : http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,2990.msg51153.html#new

Nikkor O 55mm f1.2 + Sony nex 5 + 36mm close-up ring.

Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: the solitaire on May 05, 2016, 12:23:51
Francis, nice photo.

Apologies, I saw you use another Nikkor-O lens. Interesting adapting method to the Sony NEX.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on May 05, 2016, 15:20:39
Thanks, Buddy !

These Nikkor lenses are completely different :

# different shape;

# different optics;

#different mount;

# dedicated for different use.

No focussing ring on the Nikkor O (CRT). ;)

The only things they share are the max. aperture and focal lenght.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: the solitaire on May 05, 2016, 17:12:00
Did you investigate the option to include a focus helicoid in the Nikon F to Sony NEX converter? Having some means to focus other then moving the camera or adding tubes would make th elens far more flexible.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: rosko on May 05, 2016, 18:18:17
Did you investigate the option to include a focus helicoid in the Nikon F to Sony NEX converter? Having some means to focus other then moving the camera or adding tubes would make th elens far more flexible.

I did think about it. I have, indeed, to buy an helicoid. More easy than using any device such as stacked close up rings or below.

A focusing rail helps.
Title: Re: Super-Speed, F1.2 and Faster.
Post by: richardHaw on May 09, 2016, 12:08:46
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1705/26103516834_9d57fa0bcb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FLFm85)HAW_4837 (https://flic.kr/p/FLFm85) by mrBabaero (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31768064@N03/), on Flickr
 very painterly :o :o :o

we have tried so hard to achieve this in rendering softwares yet the 50 1.2 does it effortlessly