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Images => People, Portraits, Street, PJ & Cityscapes => Topic started by: armando_m on February 04, 2016, 01:36:26

Title: Stand over there please
Post by: armando_m on February 04, 2016, 01:36:26
She called me for some portraits ...

saw the window light and asked her to stand at the side

(https://armando-m.smugmug.com/People/Elizabeth/i-MTq874f/0/XL/_DSC8101-Edit-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on February 04, 2016, 01:40:00
She ought to be pleased of the result. Very nice b/w too.

I can wish for a little more rim light to make the model stand out better from the background?
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: armando_m on February 04, 2016, 05:06:40
Thanks Bjorn , yes a ring light would have worked well, and perhaps I can add it in PS , a task that is  a bit beyond my current ability to make it look realistic enough, the b/w is an after thought and I do agree the hair gets lost in the darkness

Yes she liked the image, I gave her the color version and her black hair contrasts sufficiently with the wall which is a yellowish/tan color

Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Mongo on February 04, 2016, 08:10:51
wonderful result Armando - very nice shooting. Love the pose, tones and the way you have worked the light on this image.  Mongo agrees about the hair but it must be done in a very very selective and subtle way just to give a hint of the outline of the hair and not to lighten it up too much. Mongo did a quick edit and it seem to assist the hair situation.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Erik Lund on February 04, 2016, 10:23:51
Lovely capture! I also would like a bit more rim light to make her stand out a bit more but that's a personal thing. Maybe you can do it in PP in Photoshop, ,,,
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Almass on February 04, 2016, 11:25:00
Thanks Bjorn , yes a ring light would have worked well, and perhaps I can add it in PS , a task that is  a bit beyond my current ability to make it look realistic enough, the b/w is an after thought and I do agree the hair gets lost in the darkness

Yes she liked the image, I gave her the color version and her black hair contrasts sufficiently with the wall which is a yellowish/tan color

A small retouch.......opened up her hair a bit and a small tummy tuck.






(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/Duke_1/_DSC8101-Edit-XL_zpsmroecjcz.jpg)
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 04, 2016, 11:26:34
a lot of pain in her hip?
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Almass on February 04, 2016, 11:45:35
a lot of pain in her hip?

You ain't funny and you know jack about photography.

When you don't have anything nice to say then STFU.

And while you are at it. Go learn what is Perspective instead of professing ignorance.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Erik Lund on February 04, 2016, 11:47:45
I like what you did Almass!
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: elsa hoffmann on February 04, 2016, 13:04:00
Well captured and she looks good.
If you didn't say about the window - I would have wondered why she is standing like this.
Her left arm looks a bit out of place - considering one can't see the window to understand her pose.
I therefor would have liked to see some evidence of the window.
The lack of rim light doesn't bother me - one can always play with the colour of the wall before converting to BW if one is so inclined.
The light direction is from the front (window) and perhaps a rim light might not fit in as well as one thinks
Your BW transition from dark to light is very nice and subtle
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: armando_m on February 04, 2016, 14:51:02
Thanks Eric,  Mongo,
A small retouch.......opened up her hair a bit and a small tummy tuck.

Thanks you Almass, she has a 4 month old baby, she would like what you did

Elsa, thanks so much for commenting, you have a point,  I would need to copy paste the edge of the window from another shot, this one is to close to the edge and without distortion correction of my "fine" 24-85 zoom there is only a bright curve showing on the right of the image, that does not resemble a wall or window edge

Frank,
She does tend to pose funny at times, your humor sometimes reminds me of a Pink Floyd song
"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar
You're gonna go far, you're gonna fly
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it if you try
They're gonna love you"
...

Thanks again for all the comments
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 04, 2016, 18:45:22
You ain't funny and you know jack about photography.When you don't have anything nice to say then STFU.And while you are at it. Go learn what is Perspective instead of professing ignorance.

I disregard your attitude and I do not think it is compatible with the forum rules.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: armando_m on February 04, 2016, 22:29:59
here is a rework
(https://armando-m.smugmug.com/People/Elizabeth/i-4fLTqgg/0/XL/_DSC8101-Edit-2-2-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on February 04, 2016, 22:31:17
I consider this an improvement over an impressive first version. Including the window frame adds a lot to the final image.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Erik Lund on February 04, 2016, 22:37:39
Yep, that's the way it should look! Perfect, crop and everything ;)
portrait of the week  ;)
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 05, 2016, 00:25:07
I like it better with the window included.
The additional graphical element stabilizes
the  lines of the composition.

Now it looks more like resting to me than pain.

PS. I am still not sure you like my humor though....
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: armando_m on February 05, 2016, 05:25:50
I like it better with the window included.
The additional graphical element stabilizes
the  lines of the composition.

Now it looks more like resting to me than pain.

PS. I am still not sure you like my humor though....
we know it is humor that is all it counts, if something  sounds odd is just a matter of pushing your mind frame and one eventually understands it , otherwise consider it lost in translation , no harm done or intended either way

cheers!
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: tommiejeep on February 05, 2016, 06:10:33
Great job Armando  :) .  I agree with Bjørn on the window frame.  For me it adds a story, question to the image.  I also think Erik got it right  :) .

Well done, magic  ;D
Tom
OK, to me  :) .  A story ... she is waiting by the window and looks melancholy .  She is waiting for something , put probably , someone to arrive and they are late or not coming.  Another possibility is that she is watching someone go...... she is said about it.... lots of possibilities.

The inclusion of the window frame adds possibilities for the viewer to think about.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Erik Lund on February 05, 2016, 09:07:52
......... PS. I am still not sure you like my humor though....

I don't see the humour in your comment....

If your trying to be funny please use clear language and/or put some explaining emoticons like  ::) :o ;D or :P
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Frank Fremerey on February 05, 2016, 10:08:14
I don't see the humour in your comment....

You do not understand me at times because you are a very different person. That is only natural and you do not need to worry about it.

I do not use Emoticons because I regard them as ridiculous. This is a site for adults, not Kindergarden.
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Thomas G on February 05, 2016, 22:15:08
You do not understand me at times because you are a very different person. That is only natural and you do not need to worry about it.

I do not use Emoticons because I regard them as ridiculous. This is a site for adults, not Kindergarden.
??? others. they may quote this differently :-X
Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: Thomas G on February 05, 2016, 22:52:20
here is a rework
(https://armando-m.smugmug.com/People/Elizabeth/i-4fLTqgg/0/XL/_DSC8101-Edit-2-2-XL.jpg)
3-1-2
comming here lately I like 3 over the other 2 versions.
3 (positve)
- her left arm seems much better connected
- her poses overbalance has found a counterweight in the window appearance
- the window adds a geometrical element (i like structures of order worked into scenes)
- light balance and pronounciation is better developed compared to 1 and 2
1
- left arm looks disconnected
- hair very dark (too dark for me)
- pose very interesting but not consent between body and face/head/left arm.
-- There is a tension set in the torso that does not repeat in her face,
-- There is a stiff feeling added by the hand supported on the hipp (or supporting the hipp?)
-- (I think Frank statement of  'pain' aroses here)
- texture (ie hair) and light foreground - background separation could need a touch up (too dark, different contrast spread?)
- the framing is cut tight and well and rises questions if looked at often enough, it does not support balance neither does it add dynamics

2
- as 1 with little (secondary?) retouches (did not spend as much time with this as with 1 and 3)

Picking hairs my personal impression would be that she did not perceive the light the same way as armando did - they were good but not perfectly connected in this scene.
Scene presentation, framing and BW presentation are good especially in 3.


Title: Re: Stand over there please
Post by: elsa hoffmann on February 06, 2016, 08:01:58
Armando - now the image is complete in my eyes.