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Notre Dame
« on: April 16, 2019, 17:11:53 »
My views of this wonderful masterpiece.

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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2019, 20:15:12 »
No doubt your photos inspired by the fire ...I think they should knock it down and spend all the millions on hospitals /homes and schools.
The pope has admitted these places are only a home for child abusers and perverts ..IMHO
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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2019, 20:34:05 »
Well, I advise members to look into the architectural beauty of the construction rather than the people working there. Notre Dame is a World Heritage. Let's focus on that.

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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2019, 21:25:51 »
No doubt your photos inspired by the fire ...I think they should knock it down and spend all the millions on hospitals /homes and schools.
The pope has admitted these places are only a home for child abusers and perverts ..IMHO

To demolish this wonderful construction because of some perverts would be a complete victory for evil.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2019, 21:39:16 »
Again don't go down this road. This is about the World Heritage and what has been lost.

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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 21:50:27 »
No doubt your photos inspired by the fire ...I think they should knock it down and spend all the millions on hospitals /homes and schools.
The pope has admitted these places are only a home for child abusers and perverts ..IMHO

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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 23:31:14 »
My views of this wonderful masterpiece.

Aguinaldo, this is a beautiful series representing "our lady" bearing under the devastating misfortune.
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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 23:49:13 »
Some pictures from a workshop years ago, not really my creations:


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Re: Notre Dame
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2019, 06:14:01 »
Thanks for the nice photos.

I've been working in Paris every now and then for decades, and lastly since 2013. Since I commute more than four hours a day, I have little time to spend on staying after hours to try & get such shots. Now it is too late and I'll have to wait.

The catastrophy was a shock to many friends and relatives, no matter if catholic, christian, or atheist, because everybody sees the world heritage in it (see fer instance the declarations of the Japanese government - many thanks to them). The event was, likewise, a shock to myself and to my far-eastern lady. We spent the whole evening in a depressed mood, although we knew that - fortunately - no human lives were at stake, only fearing for the safety of the fire brigade crew. The French doctrine is to attack the fire from underneath (not with helicopters, sorry Donald), which is effective but risky. Indeed, part of the crew were cooling the building from the inside, until they were evacuated because of the imminent collapse of the spire !!! remindful of WWII, where the yankees were bombing from high altitude, safe from flak, while the brits continued strafing with Hawker Typhoons. Different doctrines.

Many people "bond" somehow with this landmark. In my case it is especially about the main organ, and some its former (Vierne, Cochereau) or current (Latry) organists or assistant organists (Yves Castagnet), and their many recordings, the oldest ones dating back to the thirties (yes, and available on CDs). I could never play it, as this is a privilege reserved for the elite, but assisted a guest organist in his public performance in 1978: given the complexity of the colossus and despite some rudimentary electronic aids, it still took two assistants to pull the stops and turn the pages.

Yesterday, a friend of mine (who happens to be the consultant in charge of the last restoration in 2014) broadcasted that, after an expertise that had to be quick given the unsafe building, the grand organ was relatively unharmed, neither from the heat, nor from the water. What will take most time is to restore its "shrine" : pipe organs, their sound, hence their musical value, cannot easily be separated from the place they are installed in. This is especially true in France, where reverberation times are usually long, and both organs and their music have been adapted to it. This is very different from, say, the US, where most churches are carpeted and reverberation is basically "killed", to the benefit of the understanding of the spoken word. In the latter case, the building does not contribute to shape the sound as much.

Rebuilding the cathedral is not a matter of faith (and, in France, cathedrals are owned by the state). The original builders, carvers, carpenters, etc. are mostly unknown. The disappearance of their works would be their second death. Anyway, the restoration will cost less than couple of stealth fighters that we certainly can spare. And the money of the restoration will go to trades, some of which are at the verge of extinction in this steel-and-concrete world.

But back to photography - do not expect me to send pics in the present state because 1) it makes me sad, and 2) even a quick look is made difficult, as the nearby subway stations are closed for the time being.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 06:42:53 »
I am happy the organ could be saved.

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 07:10:27 »
Luck in bad luck that the organ survived.  I've heard that the weather cock containing the sacred relic was also found in the reparable condition.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 07:33:50 »
Indeed. Funny how people find solace in trifles (me with the organ, other with weathercocks and relics), that's human I guess. More importantly, there were no fatalities, although one fireman (and two policemen, IIRC) was injured. Impressive, where these guys were fighting the equivalent of a 21 hectar forest fire concentrated in a much smaller patch, and to make things worse involving wood that dried since 1220 A.D., from beneath, or climbing on the structure itself, and using 18 hoses plus one robot (that took over the inside intervention after the collapse of the spire). Wow wow wow.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2019, 11:01:52 »
Airy said most of what there is to say...!
Since Monday, I'm in a rush of work as we have admissions exams, mid-semester jurys, and my own studio teaching days ! So I havent been there yet.

I would be cautious about all those "good news" and repair time. I've witnessed the aftermath of a really big fire in Chaumont en Champagne (having to design and build a new building in place of the rubble that was left), in the medieval part of the city. The surrounding walls were of stone work with some blocks of more then a meter large. Those blocks had been "cooked" by the heath of the fire, and I could dig a hole through them with only my nails and hands... We had to support them with a concrete wall.
Of course, there, the fire had been from ground up, while at Notre Dame, it started on the roof. Still the nave stone work should be in the same state, as the upper parts of the facade and some of the upper buttresses !
Building a new roof (depending on the choice of the material, wood, steel, fiber-concrete) could be done quite quickly (several years), but the rehabilitation of the stone work and it's scaffolding, might be much more...
There is also the present scaffolding of 500 tons of steel that should have been soldered by the fire, that needs to get out of the way for a quick solution (canvasses) against rain...

I might have some more technical information in some weeks, as some friends might be on the job !

The school of architecture I teach at, was created by Eugène Viollet-le-duc, the designer of the spire that went down (and most of what people think of original middle ages part), 150 years ago...
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2019, 11:35:25 »
Luck in bad luck that the organ survived.  I've heard that the weather cock containing the sacred relic was also found in the reparable condition.

when I am burnt out I also hope to find my cock still working (^^)😁😁😁😂😂😂🤣🤣
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2019, 12:49:37 »
when I am burnt out I also hope to find my cock still working (^^)😁😁😁😂😂😂🤣🤣

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