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Frank Fremerey

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Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« on: February 17, 2019, 17:48:35 »
Today I have some time to test the negative scannig feature of the D850. Slide Scans are great, but negative scanning with the builtin function seems to be a disgrace:

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/24/review-nikon-d850s-negative-digitizer-isnt-ready-prime-time/

Nonetheless I will give it a try...

... if you have any own experience to share, feel free to do so.

For example it would be great if you had a RAW scanning workflow for the D850 as a color negative scanner
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 18:06:03 »
My first hurdle: I press live view and "i" but the negative digitizer function is grayed out and cannot be selected as described in the nanual here:

https://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/d850/de/05_live_view_04.html#negative_digitizer

solution: disable silent mode first!!!!
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 19:20:02 »
I don't believe you are using Lightroom Frank, but for those that are, this fellow claims to have created a plugin to convert color neg film:
https://www.negativelabpro.com
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2019, 19:34:51 »
Quote from: pluton on February 17, 2019, 19:20:02
I don't believe you are using Lightroom Frank, but for those that are, this fellow claims to have created a plugin to convert color neg film:
https://www.negativelabpro.com

Thank you Keith ... Lr I do not use, Photoshop mainly and Nikon CNX-D

But there seems to be one for Photoshop too: https://www.colorperfect.com/oldneg.html?lang=en
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 19:38:31 »
Good thing is, I have a reference for my conversion in the form of very nice contact sheets...

A first try of D850-builtin-Conversion does not seem to help  :o

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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 02:00:41 »
Hi Frank.
One thing I found disappointing with CNX-D is that it doesn't do colour reversal very well.
I'm not sure what's missing, or why I can't get it to work, but CNX2 was close to perfect, for my purposes, and importantly easy to implement. 

Someone gave me the tip to invert the levels/curves on an image(black to white and white to black) which works a treat in CNX2, then a bit of tweaking here and there(WB and exposure compensation .. etc) .. all on the raw file.
Was hoping for a better featured negative capture tool on the D850 till it came to be that it's only jpg capture.

So far I've used my D300 and then my D800E for the negatives I've digitized, and using CNX2 was a breeze to convert. Used a batch process to convert many in one process .. then tweaked each individual image on an as needed basis.
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2019, 10:18:12 »
Arthur: can you elaborate more on that subject please? How do you get rid of the orange mask e.g.?

I still own CNX2 and I can open D850 RAWs by opening them in CNXD first and then "send to" or "open with", where you can defineba programm to transfer the files to like Photoshop e.g.
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 16:59:53 »
The problem with the orange mask is that it varies considerably, in both colour and in density, from film to film — even between ones with the same product-name but from a different batch.

I have never attempted to copy colour negatives with a camera but I have scanned and converted them to digital positives using SilverFasts' excellent software.

SilverFast has a NegaFix module which allows you to program-in the kind of film and then adjust for the degree of orangeness.

https://www.silverfast.com/highlights/negafix/en.html
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 17:54:30 »
If anyone is looking, here is another method to remove the orange mask using photoshop and no extra software/plugins: https://www.iamthejeff.com/post/32/the-best-way-to-color-correct-c-41-negative-film-scans
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 18:14:49 »
Quote from: charlie on February 18, 2019, 17:54:30
If anyone is looking, here is another method to remove the orange mask using photoshop and no extra software/plugins: https://www.iamthejeff.com/post/32/the-best-way-to-color-correct-c-41-negative-film-scans

Hey, great idea. I tried it with a mask and subtract which did not work, but divide I will try!!!


PS: tried it & did not work, sorry...
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 18:17:08 »
Black & White negative is pretty straightforward:

1) builtin D850 crap
2) converted in Photoshop from RAW

both edited to what I found nice.

The D850 in camera conversion had less detail and more noise in the shadow
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 18:41:53 »
slide scanning is also easy pleasy....
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 20:06:34 »
Quote from: Frank Fremerey on February 18, 2019, 18:41:53
slide scanning is also easy pleasy....

Looks like you forgot to invert black for white on the hair.  ;)
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 20:10:38 »
Quote from: Jack Dahlgren on February 18, 2019, 20:06:34
Looks like you forgot to invert black for white on the hair.  ;)


this is 23 years ago...
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Re: Collection on "D850 as a negative scanner"
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 20:16:29 »
Quote from: Frank Fremerey on February 18, 2019, 20:10:38


this is 23 years ago...

Just making a joke. I had a superabundance of hair in my youth but now I don’t even own a comb.
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