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Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« on: July 16, 2018, 16:28:43 »
I visited the Blast Furnace Park at Lithgow, NSW, Australia 2 years ago. The place was fenced off, so I had jump it. I wasn't going to put a solid 4 hours on the train and about 2km of walking to waste.

It was quite nice, lots of old weathered structures opened up to some creative opportunities.




I didn't stay for too long, it was windy, cold, and the site was indeed quite dangerous. There were some pitholes and scattered bricks. I even found a dead fox corpse which was quite displeasing. Nonetheless, I was speculating on about doing some astrolandscapes. The weathered look would definitely work well with the milky way. 2 years have passed.

Recently, I decided to give the place another visit, this time however, late at night. I heard that renovation was complete. Lithgow's council is quite rich, thanks to all the cash they milk off tourism. Their state-of-the-art portable toilets are equipped with sensors and other wizbang components, costing a whopping $250,000 each.

Upon arrival, I was completely stunned, and subsequently disappointed.

The entire site was lit up by a couple of these massive, orange tinted, damned LED lights. My headlight was of no use obviously, the place was too bright to do any kind of nightscape-type shooting where the milky way is incorporated.

While many countries are starting to understand light pollution, which caused them to roll out special areas that are protected against lights, Lithgow's rich council decided to do the complete opposite. Many national parks in the states have rules against bringing in light pollution, people are starting to protect the dark sky. Even China has a couple areas with night sky protection.

These lights were on all night. I arrived at about 0:30 and left annoyed at 2:10. I usually spend over 4 hours at a location with nice dark skies -- 3 for shooting, and 1 where I just lie down and relax, enjoying the sky.




The light pollution was so bad, trying to get a satisfying landscape shot was hard. Long exposures rendered the sky orange. Short ones aren't usable. Every composition I had in mind went out of the window.




To make things worse, the scaffolding they used did not work with the scenery at all. It's ugly and modern. The handle bars even had LEDs mounted inside, which lit up the pathway. White LEDs blending with that couple of massive orange ones made the entire landscape ugly. The council obviously didn't have the decency to build pathways that blend in well with the scenery, such as treated wood ones. Nah, just completely ruin the landscape with ugly scaffolding.

I decided to pull out photoshop, and blended 2 completely different exposures at Lithgow in the same month. The result was quite good, but this is obviously fakery. The sky in my backyard is darker, and I live in the middle of Sydney.



Basically, this is what the sky should have looked like. Those lights should be off at night, I can only image how annoyed the nearby residents are. Having all these lights on all night is just a waste of electricity.

I roamed the carpark for a while, it was lit up by about 16 white LED light poles. I walked towards the biggest set of orange lights, and underneath was the council's expensive toilets. Just about time for me to take a dump right? Nah, the toilets were closed. So... what exactly is the point of this light then? 

Just a bit of fun, I went on the 13th of July, which was a Friday. I don't subscribe to all these types of mystical unicorn fluff, but that day was indeed a horrible one for me. If the above wasn't enough, I forgot to bring a fork to eat my noodles. I took the lid and made an origami spoon. My battery bank also died, luckily I carry 2 phones, but then obviously I do not have the small pin to take the sim out. I simply stole a piece of wire from someone's front yard. Then there's other things I left home such as my shutter release cable and my proper tripod. I did bring a small tripod thankfully, and looking at what I walked away with, I'm glad the big one was left home.


The two fake creations are good enough for me, I personally will not return and recommend locals to stay away from the area if astrolandscapes are of interest.

 ;) Better luck next time!
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 16:40:24 »
Interesting location and as you said  ;) Better luck next time!
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 01:15:42 »
MC- You seem to have the art of night sky photography down to a science. If you have the time, and the inclination to do it, could you please post a short write up of how one not versed in the art should go about it? Equipment, camera body, lenses, camera settings, technique, anything you think is important in getting a good image. I’m sure those of us who are ignorant on the subject would appreciate it, I know I would.

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 02:30:11 »
MC- You seem to have the art of night sky photography down to a science. If you have the time, and the inclination to do it, could you please post a short write up of how one not versed in the art should go about it? Equipment, camera body, lenses, camera settings, technique, anything you think is important in getting a good image. I’m sure those of us who are ignorant on the subject would appreciate it, I know I would.

I can certainly write an in depth post about choosing the right gear, lighting techniques, post processing and etc. It would take a lot work however. I'll just make a brief one here. I'm going to add this onto my "to do" list for my work in progress blog. Going to write up a Laowa 25mm ultra-macro review first. Promised them to do so, feel bad for not delivering.

For camera settings, I usually expose to the right, and use ISO 6400. Might seem high, but if the sky is dark enough, you need it.
The following shutter speeds are appropriate:
24mm 13 sec
20mm 15 sec
14mm 20-25 sec
12mm 30 sec

I don't use those rule 600/500 whatevers. These are from my personal experience.

As for camera and lens, depends on what you want. If one is serious, get a D800 modified, install H-alpha filter, and apply the NikonHacker firmware. One may even convert the camera into monochrome. This is the best current option without getting into cooled CCD cameras.

If not, the D750 is great. I use a D810. For Canon, a 6D/5d mk4 would work a treat. Anything with great high iso performance.
If that's off the table, then use those D7100 types with the 16-55mm kit lens, produces really good results as well.

Be aware of cameras with that in-body 5-axis blah blah stabilisation thing that everyone seems to love. Those generate horrendous long exposure hot pixels... Putting a heat source that's also electromagnetically controlled behind the sensor is just a recipe for hot pixels. Hot pixels come up when the sensor heats up. Readout noise is increased as well due to this. I don't want to go in depth here. Hot pixels can be fixed with long exposure NR most of the time, would be a better idea to have it on. Also it's possible to subtract dark frames in post -- essentially what long exposure NR does.

For the lens, a 14mm f/2.8 Samyang is great. It has virtually no coma -- look up what coma is. Basically, it turns dots into ducks, yuck.
The faster, the better. "Just use a longer shutterspeed" -- no. This will cause the stars to trail. Camera stationary, but the Earth moves.
A fast but cheap lens would be the Samyang 24 f/1.4. Great even wide open, edges become ducks, just stitch a panorama using the best centre frame. 

More expensive options? Tamron 15-30 is arguably the best lens for this stuff. It has no coma, great tonality, and strong flare resistance. Sometimes one may shoot near street lights. Flare isn't easy to fix. The Sigma 14/1.8 is really good as well, as I've said, larger aperture makes the milky way brighter. For stitching, the best would be the Sigma 20/1.4, it is however not $500+ better than the Samyang 24.

Now, tripod. A solid tripod is a must. Not a cheapo. I personally use an old Sirui tripod, no centre column. Tripod head is the RRS BH55. A $500 tripod kit should do the trick though.

Additionally, one may also get an equatorial mount. It tracks the stars, allowing longer exposures, greatly increasing the signal-to-noise-ratio. This is worth getting with a cheaper lens instead of an expensive one.

Location, get away from any major cities. I shoot primarily in the blue mountains region is NSW, where light pollution is well controlled. I don't drive, so I'm restricted. This is a handy tool: http://darksitefinder.com/maps/world.html
Anywhere marked light blue is good, as long as one shoots in the direction of darker blue~black.

Time, get out when there's a new moon. Even a hint of moonlight will throw contrast off, resulting in a lesser-defined milkyway. Also a good idea to get out before moonrise, great results. 1 day before and after a new moon is also good. I use an app called "photopills" that has all this information. One also needs to look up the best times for stargazing. The core of the milky way is not visible during certain months. The best time in Oceania would be June-August, in my opinion. For best experience, make sure it's clear. Clouds can add to the scene though, I kind of like it. Some people do not.



Post processing is simple. Add contrast, clarity, and etc. Just don't overdo it. There's some advanced techniques too. I personally use photoshop to stack multiple frames which increases the SNR. Add in as smart object, align, and set blending to medium. The gain increases dramatically. If there's forground, then this has to be done twice. Stacking the sky will cause foreground to become blurry.

Another advantage of this is annoying plane light trails will get subtracted. Some clouds that get in the frame will also be dealt with.

Want the true colours of the milky way? WB set to daylight. It doesn't look good imo. See below.


Lighting, low level lighting is the best, and most advanced. I use a technique similar to that. I made an add-on for my torch which throttles the output to something very dim, and the torch is on throughout the exposure. See below for example.

LED light panels are better, they are cheap. I have to carry torches anyway, one for self defence (a concealed knife is even illegal in this nannystate) and one to see in the dark, another headlamp for convenience, so I just made a modifier. Read about the technique here: http://www.lowlevellighting.org
Similarily, one can just make a very long exposure. The result is flat though, because that's what starlight does, it's flat light.

I haven't tried equatorial mounts yet, will do so next year though.

That's about as brief as I am able to get. Attached are 3 crops.
1: 20 exposure stack
2. 7 exposure stack
3. Single frame
All have been subjected to my usual post processing routine.
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 03:07:35 »
Thank you! Your photographs of the night sky are stunning.

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 03:48:42 »
Thanks, that was very informative. I can see I’m not really set up for night sky photography. My fastest lenses are a 50mm f/1.4 and a 35mm f/1.8, both probably too narrow. My wide angle is the 12-24mm f/4. Probably not nearly fast enough. My body is the D500, a high iso DX body when what I really need is a high iso FX body. But I appreciate the info and will bookmark this post for future reference.

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 14:33:02 »
Awesome write up, it is great to have another fan of shooting the night sky, if you have time take a look at this thread:
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,1992.195.html
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2018, 20:34:56 »
Interesting, well written and briliantly illustrated.

But I do have one question: why do you feel a modified D800 is the best current option?

From my own experience, the (standard) D800 is a difficult camera to use for star photography, simply because the LCD is not good enough to allow focus on the stars using live view. Which means one needs to either pre-focus (thus precluding the possibility of altering focus during the shoot) or focus on a well-lit object which means carrying a powerful torch along...

Of the cameras I have tried personally, the D500 and D750 both have live view good enough to allow this, and presumably the D810, D5 and D850 will also allow this. And a tilting screen also helps a lot.

I would have thought that either the D5 or the D850 would be the best current options?

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2018, 21:24:39 »
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 D800 is a difficult camera to use for star photography, simply because the LCD is not good enough to allow focus on the stars using live view.
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I agree , but it is possible with a bit pf practice, using AFS lenses makes it more problematic because the focus ring is so inaccurate, has a lot of play, and does not turn smoothly
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2018, 18:26:27 »
I agree that the older lenses are far nicer to use when focusing by hand, but my problem is not with play in the focus ring (I use the Tamron 15-30mm f2.8 for star photography, and while the focus throw is relatively short, it really has no play, and is a really nice lens to use.

But on the D800's live view screen, I just can't find a star to focus on...

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 20:48:47 »
But on the D800's live view screen, I just can't find a star to focus on...

I agree Liveview in the d800 is awful and I've struggled with liveview and been puzzled when I see a black screen with no stars at all, often is because liveview is turned on with AF on, it tries to focus and leaves it close to the minimum focus distance

What I do is the following:
turn on liveview
set the exposure time to the longest liveview allows you, set the lens to the widest aperture
set the focus to manual and turn it close to infinite, then stars will be visible
Increase the iso to 6400 or higher if necessary
Start with a bright star zoom in and focus
Zoom out a bit and now zoom into smaller star and refine
take a test shot, zoom in to check focus, repeat if necessary

Finally set the iso to a reasonable value, and the exposure time and aperture to whatever is appropriate

Avoid touching the focus ring
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2018, 05:46:28 »
I did not know that exposure time affects live view, please can you elaborate Armando?


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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2018, 17:36:45 »
Thanks, that was very informative. I can see I’m not really set up for night sky photography. My fastest lenses are a 50mm f/1.4 and a 35mm f/1.8, both probably too narrow. My wide angle is the 12-24mm f/4. Probably not nearly fast enough. My body is the D500, a high iso DX body when what I really need is a high iso FX body. But I appreciate the info and will bookmark this post for future reference.
Your 12-24 will product stunning results if you find a dark sky. The lit up rock photo was taken with a 24mm f/4 lens (f/3.5 pc-e, closed it down to f/4). That is all I have for this year. I usually sell off my astrolandscape lens after August since it just sits around eating dust. Didn't get one this year due to another project. The 35mm f/1.8 is great if you combine it with a celestron to track the core. Many examples here: https://www.flickr.com/groups/astroscape/pool/


Interesting, well written and briliantly illustrated.

But I do have one question: why do you feel a modified D800 is the best current option?

From my own experience, the (standard) D800 is a difficult camera to use for star photography, simply because the LCD is not good enough to allow focus on the stars using live view. Which means one needs to either pre-focus (thus precluding the possibility of altering focus during the shoot) or focus on a well-lit object which means carrying a powerful torch along...

Of the cameras I have tried personally, the D500 and D750 both have live view good enough to allow this, and presumably the D810, D5 and D850 will also allow this. And a tilting screen also helps a lot.

I would have thought that either the D5 or the D850 would be the best current options?
You're right when it comes to the ergonomic aspects. I used to use a D750. I miss the tilty screen.
The reason why a D800 is better than any other camera you've listed is third party firmware. The D800 is also cheap and built very very well.
See here: https://nikonhacker.com/viewtopic.php?t=2485
True dark current is available only for the D800. Likewise a D5100 modified will be extremely good for deep space astro stuff.
D810a is just way too expensive.
As for the "best" option, well... a cooled CCD beats all of these.

I did not know that exposure time affects live view, please can you elaborate Armando?
Depends. If you open up live view, press on the "ok" button. You should see a difference. As for focusing on a star, it's quite difficult sometimes. 
This could or could not help: https://www.lonelyspeck.com/sharpstar/
Don't need to buy a big one. I would get a small 67mm one and DIY a frame for those lightbulb lenses. Some brighter "stars" could help, such as Mars.

Find the required infinity and gaffer tape the focusing ring.
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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2018, 19:15:49 »
Thanks Macro

Taping up the focus ring is not really an option, as I like changing focus during a shoot.

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Re: Lithgow Blast Furnace Park Nightscapes: Ruined
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2018, 16:07:19 »
Thanks Macro

Taping up the focus ring is not really an option, as I like changing focus during a shoot.

Focus stays at the true infinity for a standard anstrolandscape night right?
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