Creative Cloud 2018 out!!!

[CS]

I believe that Victoria Bampton said that once you migrate your catalogue there's no going back with the new versions. But, please verify that before making decisions.

[Ann]

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/using/migrate-to-lightroom-cc.html

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On the other hand, in Lightroom CC, your photos are stored in their full resolution centrally in the cloud, and synced with your computers and devices when you’re working on them. You can migrate your catalogs from Lightroom Classic CC to Lightroom CC.

When you do so, Lightroom CC brings in each of your photos included in the catalog and uploads it to the cloud in its full resolution for access across multiple devices and computers. Later, to save on disk space, you can even consider deleting those photos from the local storage on your device. >>>>

My guess is that you probably Migrated?

[Ann]

I have posted a question about the migration issue over on Adobe's boards.

No reply from there yet but meanwhile I am wondering if un-installing Lr CC totally, including its Prefs and your Lr CC catalogue,  (but do save a copy in another place in case this doesn't work!) would un-couple the Migration?

Perhaps a visit to Time Machine would help?

[charlie]

I have not migrated the catalog in LR CC.

I was under the same impression that it would migrate the entire library to the cloud which is not something I'm interested in doing. I did update the catalog from the old LR to LR Classic which is required to do if I wanted to use LR Classic, as far as I can tell. But no migrations in LR CC.

It is the same behavior on both my PC (desktop) as well as my Mac (laptop).

All I've done in LR CC so far is create a few albums for testing purposes. I'll uninstall it from both machines and reinstall it to see if that changes anything.

That said when I look at the LR CC help pages there is no mention of smart previews either:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/using/preferences.html

And I don't see any mention of Album Settings here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/using/organize-photos.html

[Ann]

This was my question over at Adobe:

Meanwhile . . . if anyone knows how to UN-migrate from Lr CC, I have a colleague who is anxious for an answer.

I am wondering if un-installing Lr CC totally (including its Prefs and possibly his Lr CC catalogue) would un-couple the Migration?

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Rick Spaulding, Community Specialist

Hi Ann,

Yes, there is a way to delete your Lightroom Library. Before you do this be sure you have all your original images safely backed up because you will not be able to get them back.

That being said,

1. go to https://lightroom.adobe.com
2. Click on the Lightroom icon in the top left corner
3. Click on Account Info
4. Click the button in the middle of the screen that says "Delete Lightroom Library"

This will delete your images from all devices and the cloud.

I repeat, there is no going back so be sure you backed up your original images.
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(Emphasis is mine!!)

I hope that this helps.

[charlie]

I suppose the Library is LR CC terminology and the Catalog is LR Classic terminology.
Even though I hadn't migrated on LR CC I went ahead and deleted the Lightroom Library, uninstalled the programs & preferences and reinstalled everything.

It all behaves the same as before, still no option for uploading smart previews only and no Album Settings available in the standalone LR CC. 

It is not a big deal as I will be using LR Classic for any syncing collections anyhow, but I do appreciate the help.

I will let you know if I discover anything. 

[Ann]

Now you have me wondering how on earth I got my Lr CC to behave differently!

I will never know — unless I uninstall it and start all over again — at which point I will surely discover that I can no longer make CC work in a "Local and Smart Only" mode?!

What you might try is to make your Collections "public" (via Classic) and then access them from there into Lr CC — and then create a new Album in CC?

I think that was what I did but I can't remember  now exactly how I did it.

[Ann]

A bit more experimentation and I discovered that:

If I originally created a Synced Collection in Lr Classic and then access it in Lr CC, I find that it's Sync Status is shown in Lr CC to be: Cloud = Smart Preview Only

BUT . . .

If I originally created a Synced Collection in Lr CC, I find that it's Sync Status is shown in Lr CC to be: Cloud = Original Backed-up

Digging around my HD, I then discovered:

ACR Cache = 366 MB

but . . .

Lightroom = 35.55 GB

Lightroom CC Saved Photos = 15.04 GB.
(These seem to be the local back-ups of the originals and trashing the contents of this folder doesn't appear to affect the operation of Lr CC)

Lightroom Library = 85.41 GB.  (I believe this is only for Lr CC?)

Taking-up 100 GB on my laptop's 500 GB HD is not acceptable!
And this is all in addition to the space occupied by my original files on my networked HDs.

I am far better off if I use ACR instead of Lr (as I have always done) and mostly use Lr Classic for syncing to Cloud Smart Preview storage regardless of the convenience and speed of use of Lr CC.

I mostly prefer to make Galleries and host them on my own web site where I can either make them publicly available or limit access to them to only selected people.

I recently bought Juicebox Pro and use it as a separate stand-alone program (not in its Lr Plug-in mode) to build those Galleries. Bridge can no longer build Galleries; and I don't like the lack of options which are available for Gallery-creation in Lr Classic.
Once you build and Save a Custom Preset in Juicebox Pro, it takes very few minutes to populate and create each new Gallery and upload it to my Site.
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Addendum:

I dragged the Lightroom Library item out of its folder which confirmed my guess that it was used only by Lr CC. Removing it, removed all content from Lr CC!! So I replaced it and that put all content back again.

So I have made a copy of Lightroom Library on another external USB drive so can always retrieve 85 GBs of space on my internal drive by trashing the working "Lightroom Library" (which is installed in "Pictures").

[charlie]

Yeah, I was starting to think your versions are different, not mine 
I asked why I only had access to Album Settings on the web version and Victoria answered "Some of the sharing settings are only currently available in the web interface", so seems to be normal operation.

A bit more experimentation and I discovered that:

If I originally created a Synced Collection in Lr Classic and then access it in Lr CC, I find that it's Sync Status is shown in Lr CC to be: Cloud = Smart Preview Only

BUT . . .

If I originally created a Synced Collection in Lr Classic and then access it in Lr CC, I find that it's Sync Status is shown in Lr CC to be: Cloud = Original Backed-up

Digging around my HD, I then discovered:

ACR Cache = 366 MB

but . . .

Lightroom = 35.55 GB

Lightroom CC Saved Photos = 15.04 GB.
(These seem to be the local back-ups of the originals and trashing the contents of this folder doesn't appear to affect the operation of Lr CC)

Lightroom Library = 85.41 GB.  (I believe this is only for Lr CC?)

Taking-up 100 GB on my laptop's 500 GB HD is not acceptable!
And this is all in addition to the space occupied by my original files on my networked HDs.

Wait a second, you said the same thing twice!

But I think you meant Creating a collection in LR CC = The original gets backed up to the cloud. (?)
That is my experience.

Yeah I don't understand why LR CC makes a duplicate of the files, even when the originals are stored locally on the same machine. I did read somewhere that LR CC will delete these files if they have not been accessed in a while, maybe they expect that we will be deleting the files locally and only keeping them in the cloud so they hang on to some files for faster access(?) Maybe that is why we can change the amount of local storage space that LR CC will use(?) Either way it seems like an oversight and is a complete waste of hard drive space if the file is stored on the same hard drive twice. I asked, I'll let you know if anyone answers.

I don't see myself using LR CC except to cull images when I'm away from my desktop running Classic.

[Ann]

Wait a second, you said the same thing twice!

But I think you meant Creating a collection in LR CC = The original gets backed up to the cloud. (?)

Thank you for catching that! (It stems from being a lousy typist and using copy/paste far too often!).
I have now corrected the posting but my typing skill is a different matter.

I agree: I don't see myself using LR CC to create Albums very often either — unless I plan to leave that Album on the Cloud for only a short time.

Using Juicebox Pro to create Galleries and uploading them to my own web site seems to be a much better plan for me.

[Ann]

The first Update to the Lr Classic CC Upgrade has been posted.
(Bug-fixes apparently)
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Added:

The update was also for correction to the way in which downloading works for the two different Upgrades:
Lr Cloud CC (Subscription) or the old stand alone Lr CS6.

[Per Inge Oestmoen]

I do not want to live forever and I do not want outdated hardware and software.

Life is a "Dynamic equilibrum" ... If you want to grab and fixate your luck it will break. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_equilibrium

Savour life while it is there, do not hold on things that pass. I pass you pass but we can have fun together before we die.

Think of software "from the tap" as "beer from the tap" ...you will pay per glass!

Next drink is on me!

1. The changeable nature of the world does not dictate that we must accept to be tied to Software-As-A-Service schemes, quite the contrary! Whether or not a piece of hardware or a software program is outdated, should be entirely up the the user to decide. Product Activation, Software-As-A-Service, planned obsolescence and artificially induced cessation of function are the results of the software companies' attempts at controlling us. An interesting point here is that the proprietary software makers who want to force us into Software-As-A-Service (SAAS) dependency also have lobbied politicians in order to ensure that we are forbidden to modify the proprietary software. In contrast, Open Source software can be legally modified and changed and tailored to any system at any time by you or me or anyone with the necessary skills to do so. That is to relate to change, and that is choice, in other words the direct opposite of SAAS schemes.

2. The world is indeed changeable and challenging all the time. We must relate to that. That is why we need robustness and resilience on all levels. That also implies that our daily tools and equipment must be free from any corporate control after the acquisition. That is why we need the empowerment we can get from personal computers that are user-controlled. That requirement means that the hardware must allow for the installation of software chosen by the user, and that the software programs including the operating systems must be copyable and capable of being installed at any time on compatible hardware and then capable of being run independent from the manufacturers for as long as the user wants.

3. An analogy between buying a glass of beer and paying for software or other non-consumables is mistaken and a classic fallacy. When you buy a beer and consume it, the beer is consumed and gone and consequently you need to pay more if you want more. This is not the case with computer software and all other things that are non-consumables. The drinking of a glass of beer consumes the beer. The use of a computer program does not consume or exhaust the software and its value.

[Ann]

I think you must have meant to post this in your other thread because it doesn't appear to have much bearing on the subject of this one?

[Akira]

FWIW, Adobe seems to extend the life of the standalone version a little...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8524119909/adobe-will-release-the-last-update-to-lightroom-6-towards-the-end-of-the-year

[Ann]

One can always continue to use any of the Adobe software you have purchased forever — or until you are using a computer with a newer OS which no longer supports it.

(I still maintain a 2005 Mac Pro tower because there is one very old program which I love but which won't run on my newer machines.)

The CS6 Users have now received possibly the last update which they will get for CS6 (it includes support for D850 and, I believe, a few newer lenses too).

But that's it!

So those Users now have to decide whether they want to stick with CS6, buy a subscription to Creative Cloud, or buy something else entirely.