Xpro2 with 24 MP due .... XT2 to follow

[Jan Anne]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Good point, hopefully they'll come with a solution for that like making the body slightly wider, etc.

[Akira]

Good point, hopefully they'll come with a solution for that like making the body slightly wider, etc.

Then Sigma Quattro comes to my mind! (Oh, I miss that devil emoticon!)

[Ilkka Nissilä]

The photographer can switch the hybrid viewfinder to EVF mode when they are using zoom lenses or lenses that are not well supported by the OVF.

For me the main interest in the Fuji system comes from the availability of OVF and a nice set of prime lenses that are designed for the APS-C sensor size and fairly compact for the focal length and aperture, which would potentially make a great camera for documentary photography at close range. Without the OVF, even though it has limitations, I'm just not interested in the system at all. I believe the X-Pro lineup of bodies are mainly designed for people with a similar mindset, i.e., those who consider the OVF important. The XT series are for those who want the best EVF and do not need a hybrid viewfinder. I think having a choice is always a good thing, and I really like Fuji for keeping the OVF available in some models.

[Jan Anne]

Then Sigma Quattro comes to my mind! (Oh, I miss that devil emoticon!)

[Danulon]

Great news for the Fuji fans, fere's the rumour btw:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x-pro2-24mp-aps-c-sensor-tilt-screen-wifi-available-2015-anonymous-source/

The rumor ist more than one year old.... no follow up rumor at all...

[pluton]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Yes it is... the XPro-1 finder can only show a very limited range of simulated fields of view, and without the optically correct flatness and movie-theater vividness of the SLR or EVF finder.  But, I may be willing to suffer along with it in an "improved" XPro-2.
The so-called reverse Gallilean finder embraced by Fujifilm and Leica, it is still the only currently produced(TLRs qualified also) viewfinder type that allows viewing of the subject at the actual moment of exposure.  Sometimes, that matters.

[Akira]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Yes it is... the XPro-1 finder can only show a very limited range of simulated fields of view, and without the optically correct flatness and movie-theater vividness of the SLR or EVF finder.  But, I may be willing to suffer along with it in an "improved" XPro-2.
The so-called reverse Gallilean finder embraced by Fujifilm and Leica, it is still the only currently produced(TLRs qualified also) viewfinder type that allows viewing of the subject at the actual moment of exposure.  Sometimes, that matters.

The vignetting is not the only problem of the OVF.  The uselessness for closeups is another big issue.  I agree with the benefit of its ability to monitor the literally "full" process of image taking, though.  I enjoyed using Leica M cameras during the film days.

Another benefit of the rangefinder OVF is the shorter shutter lag thanks to the absense of mirror-up time.  According to the review of imaging-resource.com, the shutter lag of XPro-1 is 0.053sec. (prefocused) which is in the same class as Nikon D7X00/600/610/810.  The champion is X100S whose prefocused shutter lag is 0.011sec.

[pluton]

Notes on shutter lag:
I haven't been able to find Imaging Resource's statement of methodology regarding how they measure shutter lag.
Have you seen their explanation?
Without them explaining how they measure lag, their "tests" have zero credibility.

While the non-reflex OVF can/should allow the shortest possible lag between pushing the button and the actual moment of exposure, in reality it hasn't always worked out that way.
My Nikon D800 has a shorter net lag(me plus the camera) than my friend's Leica M9 that I compared!
The lag of my Fujifilm XE-1 is longer still(which was expected), and variable as well, depending on whether a native Fuji lens is used---Fuji X native lenses can give a longer lag due to a delay while the camera waits for the electrically-powered aperture to stop down.
Hopefully Fuji will address this delay stuff in future cams.

[Gary]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Yes it is... the XPro-1 finder can only show a very limited range of simulated fields of view, and without the optically correct flatness and movie-theater vividness of the SLR or EVF finder.  But, I may be willing to suffer along with it in an "improved" XPro-2.
The so-called reverse Gallilean finder embraced by Fujifilm and Leica, it is still the only currently produced(TLRs qualified also) viewfinder type that allows viewing of the subject at the actual moment of exposure.  Sometimes, that matters.

Which is something I have always felt to be quite interesting that for SLR's/dSLR's the photog never sees the actual capture at the time of the shutter release.

[Akira]

Notes on shutter lag:
I haven't been able to find Imaging Resource's statement of methodology regarding how they measure shutter lag.
Have you seen their explanation?
Without them explaining how they measure lag, their "tests" have zero credibility.

While the non-reflex OVF can/should allow the shortest possible lag between pushing the button and the actual moment of exposure, in reality it hasn't always worked out that way.
My Nikon D800 has a shorter net lag(me plus the camera) than my friend's Leica M9 that I compared!
The lag of my Fujifilm XE-1 is longer still(which was expected), and variable as well, depending on whether a native Fuji lens is used---Fuji X native lenses can give a longer lag due to a delay while the camera waits for the electrically-powered aperture to stop down.
Hopefully Fuji will address this delay stuff in future cams.

When imaging-resource updated their equipment to measure the shutter lag several years ago, I remember reading their explanation in their site.  But I cannot locate that anymore.

I understand your doubt about the measurement, but their numbers well corresponds with the impressions of the cameras I have used over the years.  Sony NEX-5R/T was impressive in this regard.

With "shutter lag", I mean the time between the pressing of the release button and the actuation of the shutter blade.

[Erik Lund]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Yes it is... the XPro-1 finder can only show a very limited range of simulated fields of view, and without the optically correct flatness and movie-theater vividness of the SLR or EVF finder.  But, I may be willing to suffer along with it in an "improved" XPro-2.
The so-called reverse Gallilean finder embraced by Fujifilm and Leica, it is still the only currently produced(TLRs qualified also) viewfinder type that allows viewing of the subject at the actual moment of exposure.  Sometimes, that matters.

Which is something I have always felt to be quite interesting that for SLR's/dSLR's the photog never sees the actual capture at the time of the shutter release.

With Leica M you have the view of the full scene before during and after It is really nice and a very short shutter lag. When shooting the big Nikon bodies I have a quite good feeling for seeing if people blink or have a wrong expression at the time of capture even though it's blaked out at the moment of capture, always had that ability...

[Gary]

XPro2 is to be the highest-end model of the lineup, and it is funny that the highest-end model is going to suffer from the anachronistic functional limitation of OVF.

Yes it is... the XPro-1 finder can only show a very limited range of simulated fields of view, and without the optically correct flatness and movie-theater vividness of the SLR or EVF finder.  But, I may be willing to suffer along with it in an "improved" XPro-2.
The so-called reverse Gallilean finder embraced by Fujifilm and Leica, it is still the only currently produced(TLRs qualified also) viewfinder type that allows viewing of the subject at the actual moment of exposure.  Sometimes, that matters.

Which is something I have always felt to be quite interesting that for SLR's/dSLR's the photog never sees the actual capture at the time of the shutter release.

With Leica M you have the view of the full scene before during and after It is really nice and a very short shutter lag. When shooting the big Nikon bodies I have a quite good feeling for seeing if people blink or have a wrong expression at the time of capture even though it's blaked out at the moment of capture, always had that ability...

I was speaking more in theoretical terms and not in practice. I've never felt the need to see the precise image at capture. When I was shooting film everyday ... I got to the point that my finger would have a slight tingle when I captured an exceptional image. With digital I rarely chimp.

[pluton]

I was speaking more in theoretical terms and not in practice. I've never felt the need to see the precise image at capture. When I was shooting film everyday ... I got to the point that my finger would have a slight tingle when I captured an exceptional image. With digital I rarely chimp.

I had several different Leica M4's  and an M6 in the 1980s-2000's, and there was this thing that happened often:  You'd quickly frame and shoot a shot, looking only at the relationship of the frame to the single main subject.  Then, when examining the prints, you'd see all sorts of seemingly precisely framed details at the edges of the shots.  Details that were not consciously included in the frame.

[pluton]

When imaging-resource updated their equipment to measure the shutter lag several years ago, I remember reading their explanation in their site.  But I cannot locate that anymore.

I understand your doubt about the measurement, but their numbers well corresponds with the impressions of the cameras I have used over the years.  Sony NEX-5R/T was impressive in this regard.

With "shutter lag", I mean the time between the pressing of the release button and the actuation of the shutter blade.

NEW:  Imaging Resource provided a link to the explanation of their speed testing methodology:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/ARTS/TESTS/TIMING.HTM

[Erik Lund]

The FUJI X-PRO 2 is being shipped out today and by the looks of the local shops it's going out in huge numbers flooding the streets   

Is anyone here shooting it,,, Anything to report?

I saw it quickly last Saturday - Really impressive IMHO!