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Bjørn Rørslett

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Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« on: June 30, 2015, 01:38:50 »
[ Posted 11 January 2014 - 19:17 ]

jrflanne, on 11 Jan 2014 - 19:03, said: I have a 45mm P pancake sitting on my desk staring at me. It wants a Df. Bad.


I tried the two existing "pancakes", 45 mm f/2.8 GN and 45 mm f/2.8 AIS-P on the Df. True enough, the entire outfit becomes very compact, but in my opinion, these lenses can be troublesome because the grip is poor due to the very narrow aperture and focusing rings. In fact, of the two, the older 45 GN probably is the better handling in terms of grip. However unless you disengage the coupling between aperture and focus rings, it is very stiff to focus and there is the added drawback focusing works backwards from the usual Nikkor behaviour. Neither lens is a candidate for winter shooting when you wear gloves :D

A friend of mine, Jakov Minić, loves the 45 Ai-P on his Df and has produced wonderful images with this combination. I cannot do that due to the handling issues outlined above, though.

Here are the two "pancake" Nikkors for comparison. The 45 P in foreground, behind it the 45 GN . On the Df itself I have mounted an old pre-WWII Zeiss Tessar 50 mm f/2.8 (sits inside a focusing extension and will give infinity focus). The CPU of the 45 GN reads 44 mm f/2.8 to discern it from the 45 P (which, of course, is 45 mm f/2.8 ). The vintage Zeiss has badly hazed glass which is the reason I got it in the first place, to act as a soft-focus lens, a task it performs admirably. The brightness of this lens is lower than the other two so its CPU reads 50 mm f/3 and in contrast to the Nikkors, the CPU works only in "G" mode (the Nikkors are both "P").


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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 23:04:31 »
@Bjørn Rørslett : Did you try the Voigtländer 40 mm Pancake on your Df?
It's compact, but at least for my fingers still quite usable. And I like its optical quality.
Btw. you fixed mine in Mannheim last year (a kitchen table and match sticks for fixing the cpu that had gotten loose).

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2016, 17:46:29 »
Here is an example of why I like the 45P and the Df.
I took this shot today at f/8.

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 00:37:13 »
Great colours.   That's what I like about the 45P, it's magical colour-rendition ;)


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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 00:43:52 »
Here is an example of why I like the 45P and the Df.
I took this shot today at f/8.

The colors, perspective, and depth of this view.
I like what you've done here, Jakov.

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 01:27:28 »
Yes, John your chips colors prove the nice rendering of colors :)
Charlie, you are most gracious, thank you :)
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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 12:23:09 »
The 45P  wide open @f/2.8,  at closest distance (around 40cm).

Smooth bokeh, small DOF.

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2019, 22:00:00 »
I am wondering why Nikon have never done an AF version of this 45 mm lens. It would be an ideal walk-around lens: not too wide, not too long, maybe a bit better than 50 mm.

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2019, 23:10:24 »
An AF version would likely lose the "pancake" feature ... One just has to open up the current 45/2.8P to realise how little extra space is available inside the barrel. This is a super compact design.

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Re: Lens "porn" with the Df: The 'Pancake' lenses
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2019, 00:24:58 »
An AF version would likely lose the "pancake" feature ... One just has to open up the current 45/2.8P to realise how little extra space is available inside the barrel. This is a super compact design.

Canon makes an AF pancake lens EF 40/2.8 STM using a step motor. Canon also makes EF-S 24/2.8 pancake for APS-C format.  So, an AF version of 45/2.8 should be technically possible.
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