Thanks Eric for offering to help ...so often I give information (not this site) and all you get is silence..
I have managed to take the whole "front " off the lens which got me down to the diaphragm but the cloudy lens is not the one behind the diaphragm .
I have attached photo of the mount end and marked the tube I am trying to get out with two dots of white in the notches. This tube moves in and out as you focus.
The lens on its inner end is not the one that is cloudy.
The tube will not move and must have an inaccessible outer thread locked with varnish...I don't want to pour acetone into the lens !!!
Any advice ..I did think of laying a 25w soldering iron in the tube to heat it up .....
The lens works fine with +3 contrast and only cost me $50 inc post but I still don't want to mess it up even though I bought a Sigma 400mm f5.6 which is perfect.