Author Topic: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR  (Read 31586 times)

chambeshi

  • Guest
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2016, 16:41:54 »

Akira

  • Homo jezoensis
  • NG Supporter
  • **
  • Posts: 12807
  • Tokyo, Japan
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #46 on: October 20, 2016, 17:15:30 »
It's always a little more complicated than one thinks ;)

We have made reference to this site several times before, re the talk on focal length in another thread this reminded me of these brilliant graphic pages:

http://www.pierretoscani.com/echo_telezooms_english.html

Oh, yeah, I bookmarked the website sometime ago, and enjoy watching the flash animations occasionally.  Again, thanks for sharing!  :)
"The eye is blind if the mind is absent." - Confucius

"Limitation is inspiration." - Akira

John G

  • "Borrowed a Little Light"
  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 319
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #47 on: October 21, 2016, 20:58:01 »
www.photographylife.com have had a opportunity to have a hands on experience with the 70-200mm lens at a show in America.
The team have released a second article on the lens relating to the handling experience.
It may confirm a few of the queries raised about the lenses handling.
John Gallagher

Erik Lund

  • Global Moderator
  • **
  • Posts: 6529
  • Copenhagen
    • ErikLund.com
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2016, 21:04:02 »
John can you put up a direct link to the article please ;)
Erik Lund

PedroS

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 412
  • You ARE NikonGear
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2016, 21:17:17 »
People are complaining... that's what they like the most, nothing new here.
Handling issue? Just look at the majority of zooms and see where they have the focusing ring...

If some are afraid to touch the focus ring while holding the lens, just turn the foot down...
Personally I like this lens a lot, and want to try it sooner than later. And if it shines where my MkII struggles... the issue comes then to my bank account  :P

David H. Hartman

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2787
  • I Doctor Photographs... :)
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2016, 21:25:41 »
How about the flourite element thats been incorporated from what i understand quite fragile when exposed to sudden temperature changes.

I've read the same. I think this applies to an FL element as the front element. I think I've seen photos but I can't remember. I would hope Nikon designers and engineers have taken this into consideration.

The 180/2.8 ED AIS has an ED element in front. I've heard of pitting by blasts from canned air.   

Dave Hartman

---

Canon has been using fluorite in their high end telephoto lenses across the board for decades and I have never heard of anyone having had a problem as a result.

I would think designers would avoid useing a fluorite element as the front element and there would be no particular problems. Just a guess...

Dave Hartman
Beatniks are out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the witch!

MILLIREHM

  • NG Supporter
  • **
  • Posts: 863
  • Vienna, Austria
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2016, 21:58:26 »
I never had a 70-200 mm Lens, just sticking to the AF-S 80-200 mm f/2,8 and i rarely use it.
Always considereing back and forth but i think 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR might be the one i will go for the upcoming future

Good experience with FL so far BTW.
Wolfgang Rehm

chambeshi

  • Guest
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2016, 11:23:51 »
John can you put up a direct link to the article please ;)

I think this is the most recent news - pre-production sample of the new 70-200

https://photographylife.com/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-vr-handling-concerns#more-134036

terrible audio on this video, but it clearly shows the dilemma of the focus vs zoom ring positions

Erik Lund

  • Global Moderator
  • **
  • Posts: 6529
  • Copenhagen
    • ErikLund.com
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2016, 13:35:44 »
Thanks!

If you're used to shoot with many different lenses your used to use different positions for you hands, just look at the tele and tele zoom lenses, they are very different in how far away the zoom or focus rings are from the camera ;)

BTW the Canon guy here in the video has the lens foot in the wrong position, it should point down, like feet normally doo,,,  :o The lens foot should rest in the palm of your left hand, like always with the Nikkor 70-200mm lenses, and rotate it when use in portrait mode
Erik Lund

Ilkka Nissilä

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1709
  • You ARE NikonGear
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2016, 14:20:04 »
I find it curious why some claim that inadvertently shifting focus is a significant problem with the new ring positions.  The VR II version's focus ring has quite a lot of rest friction and at least on my copy it would never turn unintentionally even if I hold it from around that position. Even with other lenses where the ring moves more easily, I rarely have any problems with unintentional manual focusing.

I take the foot off when hand holding the VR II. I find it more comfortable that way and I can get a firmer hold of the lens.

longzoom

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 769
  • You ARE NikonGear
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2016, 15:21:29 »
I think this is the most recent news - pre-production sample of the new 70-200

https://photographylife.com/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-vr-handling-concerns#more-134036

terrible audio on this video, but it clearly shows the dilemma of the focus vs zoom ring positions
  Clearly shows the dilemma for who? It will be fair and nice to speak about yourself or myself only! I believe it will be the problem for you - why not? But not for me, I consider it absolutely convenient, as well as most of my colleagues - to judge by 80-400G, and by some lenses else. LZ

chambeshi

  • Guest
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2016, 16:02:28 »
  Clearly shows the dilemma for who? It will be fair and nice to speak about yourself or myself only! I believe it will be the problem for you - why not? But not for me, I consider it absolutely convenient, as well as most of my colleagues - to judge by 80-400G, and by some lenses else. LZ

Actually I happen to agree with you :-) Further, i'll wait until I can handle the lens next year; my post simply took the time to track down, and check and pass on a link that had been requested for this thread....

Pure and simple Free info for NG community to ignore or not in good taste. As with everything on the www it's up to each of us to filter its veracity

longzoom

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 769
  • You ARE NikonGear
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2016, 18:11:11 »
Actually I happen to agree with you :-) Further, i'll wait until I can handle the lens next year; my post simply took the time to track down, and check and pass on a link that had been requested for this thread....

Pure and simple Free info for NG community to ignore or not in good taste. As with everything on the www it's up to each of us to filter its veracity
   Indeed!  THX.  LZ

David H. Hartman

  • NG Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2787
  • I Doctor Photographs... :)
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2016, 19:23:35 »
Even with other lenses where the ring moves more easily, I rarely have any problems with unintentional manual focusing.

I had a problem at first with the AF-S 20/1.8G ED but haven't noticed it lately. Unless a problem is significant one learns new reflexes. If I need to use the focus ring it just happens, if I don't the fingers stay off the ring.

Dave
Beatniks are out to make it rich
Oh no, must be the season of the witch!

bjornthun

  • Guest
Re: 70-200mm AFS f/2.8 E FL ED VR
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2016, 19:39:42 »
I think this is the most recent news - pre-production sample of the new 70-200

https://photographylife.com/nikon-70-200mm-f2-8e-fl-vr-handling-concerns#more-134036

terrible audio on this video, but it clearly shows the dilemma of the focus vs zoom ring positions
The person in the video never once holds the camera to his eye, so I don't think there is any "clear" demonstration of the alleged problem. The tripod foot could be turned to be underneath the lens, to remedy the alleged problem. That has helped me handling long lenses hand-held.

(Reallyrightstuff and Kirk enterprises could find a new market in making cushions to attach underneath the tripod foots on long lenses, what about USD 150,- a piece...  :o )