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Michael Erlewine

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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2016, 19:21:47 »
As for staying on topic, my thinking has shifted some, given the fact that Hasselblad continues to slip all delivery dates, and without the courtesy of a clear explanation for the delay.

The latest I have heard is the Hasselblad X1D will be shipping in February. Well, Fuji, who has a pretty fair record on delivery, originally said that their GFX mirrorless MF camera would appear early in 2017. It is possible Fuji might even beat Hasselblad out of the starting gate.

While I love the haptics and the whole gestalt of a small MF system like the X1D, I don’t have to have it. The Fuji GFX is bound to be an exceptional camera, because they already have proven their ability to make lenses for themselves, and they did a lot of work with Hasselblad, etc. Plus the Fuji GFX, with an adapter, will be able to take all of my Nikon F-Mount glass, of which I have a lot. It is not as attractively designed as the X1D, but at some point, I could care less.

The X1d weights about 71 grams more than the GFX. If you remove the OVF from the Fuji (which you can), its weight is either similar to the X1D or perhaps even less. I will be using LiveView on whatever camera I get, so I would probably not have the viewfinder on the camera; however, it would be close by in the car or bag.

So, as mentioned, I regret that Hasselblad has not been totally transparent on what the holdup is; I would be more understanding if I could be part of being informed. Does anyone out there have the X1D? If so, I would like to know what is good, bad, or indifferent about it, please.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2016, 20:25:19 »
I think it would be worth waiting for the Hasselblad and the Fuji to appear, and then to make a decision.

I, for one, look forward to the results.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2016, 20:33:05 »
I think it would be worth waiting for the Hasselblad and the Fuji to appear, and then to make a decision.

I, for one, look forward to the results.

Maybe so. Or, get the X1D, use it, and if I like the GFX better, sell the X1D and get the GFX. Have to see which one arrives first.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2016, 20:38:01 »
What I read over at getdpi, is that Hasselblad has actually commenced shipping. The problem kow is that they are not able to fill all the pre-orders yet, only some. That's a difference. The X1D is successful beyond Hasselblads imagination.

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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2016, 20:40:23 »
Most of the Nikkors will not be able to light the whole 33x44 sqmm because most Nikkors are made for a smaller image circle fit for 24x36

The Schneider APO Digitar series I recommended and you liked and the AM ED LF Nikkors will do a great job on your Cambo setup
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2016, 20:58:17 »
Maybe so. Or, get the X1D, use it, and if I like the GFX better, sell the X1D and get the GFX. Have to see which one arrives first.

That is an expensive route!
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2016, 21:19:19 »
IMHO:   More cameras are better... and i like toys.

I would love to have a Hasselblad and set of lenses.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2016, 21:20:37 »
The X1D does not have focal-plan shutter, so not sure how it would be triggered on the Cambo Actus, plus Cambo would have to make an adapter, which might be hard to get them to do.  As a close-up photographer, I could use the center portion of the various Nikon F-Mount lenses, if that lens did not cover the whoie frame.

I probably will sit and wait for the X1D, knowing that I can try it and return it. By then, perhaps Fuji will have a time table and more details. The Fuji GFX will do more of what I want, but I like the idea of the neat, compact, and powerful Hasselblad X1D.

No choice but to wait and wonder... I don't like the fact that Hasselblad has left us hanging with no clear information as to what is going on.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2016, 23:54:39 »
LuLa just posted that the X1D will start to ship to end users next week. And, there will be an interview with the Hasselblad CEO on LuLa tomorrow to address the shipping delays and the state of the firmware. The Black Special Edition will ship in Fenruary.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2016, 09:26:19 »
Good news! The whole photography community is looking forward to this launch!
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #70 on: December 12, 2016, 17:00:42 »
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #71 on: December 12, 2016, 18:48:14 »
The recent update of Adobe Camera Raw now includes the Hasselblad X1D.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2016, 19:31:09 »
Here's a very timely review article.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/hasselblad-x1d-50c-pre-production-shooting-experience
I think the images in the article are a sober statement to what you could expect from that camera. Absolutely nothing else, than you would get from any other modern camera. It is so liberating that they present the camera with ordinary snapshots, taken by an average photographer in mundane lighting. Kudos to Dpreview!! What you are left with are huge files of to fill your computer to the brim. In the hands of professional this must be a fantastic tool, but for me, thanks ,but no thanks. I`m sorry I don't shear your enthusiasm :-\

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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2016, 19:59:33 »
“No X1D for those who don’t want one,” of course. I never saw it as a replacement for my Nikon D810, but always as an add-on, but one that could perhaps open up new possibilities for my work. I am still wondering (those of you reading this that know the answer, please share here) whether when the replacement for the D810 comes out, hopefully with more pixels, whether there will have been enough progress in sensor design/implementation in the interval so that a full-frame DSLR sensor can (perhaps) more closely approximate what we gain by going to this smallish MF sensor (50 Mpx) of the X1D or Fuji GFX.

Certainly my investment is in Nikon cameras and F-Mount lenses, so the X1D is a hedge against being told we may have reached the end of the line for leap-frog advance with the current FF sensor size. I can always return the X1D if I can’t do much with it or it is otherwise disappointing. And I have had to sell a LOT of equipment to afford the Hasselblad. So... while I hope for a home-run with the X1D, I am hedging my bet by not getting rid of what I know really works well, my current equipment.

Didn’t expect I would have to wait this long to find out, but hopefully we all can soon see for ourselves. I never thought of the X1D as anything other than, perhaps, an extension beyond what I have.  And I feel I have the experience to use if well.
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Re: Goodbye Full-Frame Cameras
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2016, 20:34:47 »
I think the images in the article are a sober statement to what you could expect from that camera. Absolutely nothing else, than you would get from any other modern camera. It is so liberating that they present the camera with ordinary snapshots, taken by an average photographer in mundane lighting. Kudos to Dpreview!! What you are left with are huge files of to fill your computer to the brim. In the hands of professional this must be a fantastic tool, but for me, thanks ,but no thanks. I`m sorry I don't shear your enthusiasm :-\

Børge that is a bit harsh,,, Not really your style ;) Anyway

The carpenters tools show a great deal of detail and how the sensor does with tone graduations an overall very nice image with huge amount of details, f/16 and only two centimeters or inch of dof,,,

The landscape image, it seems the 45mm is struggling with the back ground rendering

Boat washing Purple fringing galore

Pineapple very slim dof, but on the other hand very smooth transition from in focus to out of focus,,, a stack of many images are needed to get this sharp and this is f/16

Church at f/8, detail galore when you see the text but bg is struggling even at ISO 400,,, Ouch,,,

Sorry I was just as harsh as Børge,,,  ::)
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