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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2016, 11:50:51 »
It is made for the Df - period!
I suspect the optics are the same as found 3 generations back though, and that's a bit of a bummer. The horrendous coma and more than average high contrast edge blooming should be looked at and fixed.

i tried the current version of the 58mm f/1.4, shot it wide open at minimum focus distance and I was not impressed :o :o :o
performance was pedestrian. i cannot see what other people are raving about this lens. maybe i just do not know anything, own better lenses, tested a lemon or using this lens the wrong way ::)

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2016, 12:02:04 »
Well, maybe it is new despite me being confused by the translation highlighted in red and blue. Filter diameter is now 52mm - to honor the original Nikkor.
Here's a google translation:

Koscina will release the exchange lens of Voigtlander the "NOKTON 58mm F1.4 SL II S" in October. Suggested retail price is tax 60,000 5,000 yen. By the color of the lens barrel tip to prepare two types of silver rim and black rim.
Products to replace became a production end "NOKTON 58mm F1.4 SL II N" (appeared in the exterior switching to February 2012). The optical system was redesigned the appearance while inheriting the previous model. Mount is a built-in CPU Nikon Ai-S-compatible, has a new also exposure meter interlocking nail.
The optical system of the same lens, the company has been limited release in 2003, "Auto-Topcor 58mm F1.4" (in M42 mount and Ai-S mount each 800) first adopted in. It is based on the inherited design from Tokyo optical, and the mating with a lens contemporary performance by the taste and the latest optical technology of classic lens by double Gauss configuration.

9 sheets aperture blades. It has a minimum focusing distance of 0.45m. Filter diameter of 52mm.

The maximum diameter × length is 67.6 × 45.5mm. Weight is 320g.

Sold separately to provide a screw-round food "LH-58s" (5,000 yen excluding tax) in.
We tried a combination of the "Nikon Df" looks reminiscent of "Old Nikon". Photos of the lens color is a thing silver rim "Sakishiro".
Appearance of this lens, according to a statement of Koscina "a tribute to the single-lens reflex exchange lens of 1965 (1965-1974 years)". Look to styling that pays tribute to the Nikkor lens of the time. When compare to the conventional model of the same optical system, has been changed to 52mm from the filter diameter of 58mm, be that this was also following the "unification of the attachment size (= filter diameter)," the F-mount Nikkor at the time had put the force unknown. After that it is a maniac of having the impression that indeed Koscina seems ....

The touch different from when compared to the old Nikkor, where Nikkor lens at the time was a black paint aluminum, since the lens has become black anodized similarly to current Koscina lens. Shadow of the knurled edge feeling and stamped letter transmitted to the hands and fingers, the texture of the current Koscina lens is reflected as it is. It points the hybrid condition of the current product and Old felt as leading to the Nikon Df.
By the way, to use the lens side of the aperture ring at the time of shooting with Nikon Df, select "stop ring" in the custom menu "Setting the command dial" → "how to set the aperture value." If you leave this lens in hand, I want to enjoy shooting with all means aperture ring.

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2016, 13:02:22 »
Yup.  The optical design remains unchanged.  But the filter size is reduced to 52mm, as opposed to the current 58mm.

Compare these two product images on Cosina's website.  The focus throw of the new version looks a bit longer.

Old:
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/slr-mount/slr-58mm/index.html

New:
http://www.cosina.co.jp/seihin/voigtlander/slr-mount/slr-58mm-s/index.html
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2016, 13:20:50 »
Retro-mania ;)

The current version looks good enough. I'd prefer their taking care of wide open performance (close-up performance degradation, and blooming at night at f/1.4 to f/2, not to mention the coma).
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2016, 13:25:37 »
I would prefer the design of the very first version.  I'm not big fan of the hill-and-dale focus ring because of its inconsistent handling according to the angle of the focus ring when nailing the focus...
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 13:33:42 »
i tried the current version of the 58mm f/1.4, shot it wide open at minimum focus distance and I was not impressed :o :o :o
performance was pedestrian. i cannot see what other people are raving about this lens. maybe i just do not know anything, own better lenses, tested a lemon or using this lens the wrong way ::)

No, your observations were correct. MFD has been kept at 0.45m like most 50mm lenses, maybe to keep the customer satisfied on paper, but it's a 58mm lens. The result is, aberration correction does not suffice at close distances, unless of course you stop down.

At f/2.8 and above, it probably has got the best combination of sharpness, bokeh, flare resistance, low distortion, you name it, among all available products except the Zeiss Otus. And it is much smaller than a Sigma Art. Ergonomics are also near-perfect (aaaah that focus ring). I concur with Akira, a scalloped one is not an improvement.

Anyway, good to see that a "sensible" product gets manufactured again. Not everybody needs a giant 50mm-or-so lens attached to his camera.
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 14:11:01 »
Thank you very much for the insight :o :o :o

the scalloped focus ring is good for me since i focus fast and the tactile response if you will is an indication of how much i have turned.

I see, so this is basically the same as the Nikon 58mm f/1.4 with improved optics! that lens is near useless wide open, decent at f/2 and good at f/2.8 ::)

i may buy this one just for the heck of it...

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 14:18:59 »
According to Impress-Watch website Rick linked, the optical design remains unchanged.

The very first Cosina 58/1.4 was limited production and branded as "Auto-Topcor", and its optical design was "based on" the very original Topcor made by Tokyo Kogaku (Topcon) in the 70s.  The phrase "based on" suggests that its design was modifed or improved.

I guess the Google-translated information quoted by Sten is a bit confused with that.

The product info on the official Cosina website (linked in my previous post) doesn't mention whether the optical design was changed.  If it were changed for better performance, they should boast that.
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2016, 15:05:31 »
Hi,

seems just like a cosmetic facelift. Optics unchanged with it flaws. But it Looks so sexy! ;)

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2016, 15:51:25 »
Thank you very much for the insight :o :o :o

the scalloped focus ring is good for me since i focus fast and the tactile response if you will is an indication of how much i have turned.

I see, so this is basically the same as the Nikon 58mm f/1.4 with improved optics! that lens is near useless wide open, decent at f/2 and good at f/2.8 ::)

i may buy this one just for the heck of it...

I won't say anything about the 58/1.4G, since I only had short encounters with it. Opinions seem to differ widely. The Nokton is however quite different, since it is MF only, and it has been very well designed for MF. Optically, it is usable at f/1.4, provided the scene is relatively distant and there are no point light sources. And given its overall performance, it is a real bargain.
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 15:59:31 »
I won't say anything about the 58/1.4G, since I only had short encounters with it. Opinions seem to differ widely. The Nokton is however quite different, since it is MF only, and it has been very well designed for MF. Optically, it is usable at f/1.4, provided the scene is relatively distant and there are no point light sources. And given its overall performance, it is a real bargain.
sorry, i was referring to the Nikkor-S 5.8cm f/1.4 :o :o :o

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 16:21:59 »
The Voigtländer is probably much better at the wide end.
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2016, 18:18:46 »
Another link from Nikon Rumours:  http://nikonrumors.com/2016/09/16/voigtlander-nokton-58mm-f1-4-sl-ii-s-lens-for-nikon-f-mount.aspx/

In the link, it mentions that the optical formula is unchanged.
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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2016, 18:29:23 »
i am the source :o :o :o

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Re: New sexy look for the 58mm f/1.4 Nokton
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2016, 20:35:41 »
 :)  They both look fine to me.  The only thing what really matters is the optical performance. Cosina is not really transparent regarding changes in their optics.