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The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« on: June 07, 2016, 19:09:38 »
Like so many things in life, there is compromise, and compromise when we least appreciate it. This is the case with the new Pentax K1 36 Mpx camera with the remarkable Pixel-Shift feature. And I’m remarking!

First, it works, which is the good news. The not-so-good news, and for my work it is “bad”news, is that it really is only worthwhile for lenses that are made for the Pentax mount (and talk to the camera) and there are (pardon my opinion) not many lenses in that category that are “that” good yet, as in “well corrected.” I am sure they will come, but I don’t need to buy more lenses!

I have no Pentax lenses from the manufacturer, but I have had a number of Voigtlander lenses in Pentax mount, some of which talk to the Pentax... successfully. These I can work with and I like what I see.

However, although I have all the right adapters for bellows work, the lenses I really want to work with, like the El Nikkor 105mm APO lens, and other exotic lenses, really don’t work, or are, at least for my old aging body and mind, not worth the hassle. So far, I have been unable to find an acceptable (to me) way around this. Perhaps you know one.

These lenses that don’t talk with the Pentax K1 are displayed in LiveView with their apertures always wide-open, with no ability to modify the shutter and have it modify the light in LiveView, and the only way to darken the image is to use a higher aperture, which of course I don’t want to do. The aperture I want is, well, the aperture (and DOF) I want to use for the photo, etc.

Yes, I can guess at what I might want, try to focus with the very narrow depth-of-field of the lens wide-open, take the photo, see how it turned out, and guess again, until I get the result into the ballpark I’m looking for. But, as mentioned, who wants to do that? Apparently not me. I am amazed that the folks at Pentax would not have thought it through, especially as there are scads of non-Pentax lenses out there that are way better than what they offer and that will easily mount on the Pentax K1.

Am I sending it back? I don’t know yet. When I have a lens that talks to the camera, I really like what I see in results and, this is what I feared, but the lenses I have like that are not the best glass. I just ordered the Sigma 35mm ART lens in Pentax mount, which is a pretty good lens from what I hear. I already have a ton of great lenses that would do fine on the Pentax in Pixel-Shift mode, and I don’t want to buy a lot more lenses, most of which don’t exist yet.

All I can say is: how thoughtless of my needs those Pentax-company folks are. I queried the Pentax forms, and they are very responsive (and Gung Ho!), but the best they have come up with is: I should use the aperture to control light, and forget about the shutter.

Well, the aperture in my work is not how I control light. The shutter does that. They also suggest that I can use the -5EV to +5EV to adjust light, but that is not enough IMO.

Anyway, that is where I am today. Any ideas anyone?

Here is a shot taken with the Pentax with the Voigtlander 90mm APO lens and one taken with the Nikon D810 and the El Nikkor 105mm APO lens.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 19:36:18 »
Michael, both images looks gorgeous.  But, as you mention, the D810 image looks crisper to me, especially the fine veins on the petals.

By the way, Sigma announced that the rear part of the lens barrel of 35/1.4 Art and some other lenses will interfere with the K1 body and leave a slight scratch.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/3395336918/sigma-offers-part-replacement-to-prevent-lenses-scratching-pentax-k-1

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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2016, 19:40:15 »
Michael, both images looks gorgeous.  But, as you mention, the D810 image looks crisper to me, especially the fine veins on the petals.

By the way, Sigma announced that the rear part of the lens barrel will interfere with the K1 body and leave a slight scratch.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/3395336918/sigma-offers-part-replacement-to-prevent-lenses-scratching-pentax-k-1

If you are thinking about returning your K1, you should not try to mount it.

I know of that scratch, which is very small. I will probably keep the K1.

Actually, the K1 with Pixel-Shift produces better output IMO. The lenses are not equal. The El Nikkor APO 105 is one of the best lenses in the world, IMO. The CV-90mm APO is great, but not as great. Trust me, the K1 produces a better photo. I have not yet learned how to get the most out of it.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 19:59:57 »
It's a relief you are aware of the scratch problem.

I trust your evaluation of the image quality.

By the way, I observe a strange banding or posterization in the shadow area on the right-hand side of the D810 image.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2016, 22:07:24 »
A camera without sufficient quality lenses is not really effective, to my opinion.

The D810 and El Nikkor look great, as well as the CV90. But the blue-ish overtone on the flower is not caused by the lens, I guess?

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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2016, 22:39:27 »
A camera without sufficient quality lenses is not really effective, to my opinion.

The D810 and El Nikkor look great, as well as the CV90. But the blue-ish overtone on the flower is not caused by the lens, I guess?

My point exactly, which is why I want to find a way to use the great lenses I have, via a bellows, etc. in some process that is reasonably functional. I am working on it. Not worrying about blueish tinge or not at the point.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2016, 23:04:53 »
The lens issue is why I didn't seriously look at using a K1.  Had I been able to toss my Nikkors on with a simple adapter, like I've done with Canon, I would have no issues getting a Pentax body.  I like so many of the features on the K1, pixel shift aside, but I shoot DSLR for the lenses.  Not the other way around.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2016, 23:32:37 »
hmm, comparing apples and oranges. why not of use the same lens when trying to show the differences of camera bodies?
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2016, 00:03:19 »
Technical question: what is the register distance of the Pentax mount?

Can a skilled craftsman make an adapter for "El Nikkor"? I mean, in your case no infinity focus is needed...l
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2016, 00:24:10 »
Technical question: what is the register distance of the Pentax mount?

Can a skilled craftsman make an adapter for "El Nikkor"? I mean, in your case no infinity focus is needed...l

I have no idea what the register distance is.

No infinity for me. I have plenty of adapters. The K1 is not very kind to alien lenses.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2016, 02:14:14 »
The register distance (flange focal distance) of Pentax K mount is 45.46mm, that of Nikon F mount is 46.5mm, and that of Canon EF mount is 44mm.

So, there is hardly any room for an F mount lens to K mount body adapter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2016, 04:14:43 »
Michael, apart from the challenge of mounting the alien lens to the K1, doesthe K1 expect more information from the lens or is it limited in some way that makes manual operations difficult?

I am thinking of your 105mm APO El-Nikkor, which I recall is bellows mounted to the D810.  I presume that this is also possible with the K1 with a simple Nikon male bayonet on the  bellows to K1 adapter to the camera (or simply replacing the just Nikon male bayonet on the bellows at the camera end with the Pentax equivalent).  Or am I missing something here?

BTW, I like what I am seeing of your K1 outputs so far.

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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 04:39:48 »
F > K mount adapters have glass in them, so degradation is guaranteed.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2016, 05:52:31 »
True, but glassless adapters are available if infinity focus is not required, e.g. for close up work.

F > K mount adapters have glass in them, so degradation is guaranteed.
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Re: The Pentax K1 Pixel-Shift Vs. the Nikon D810
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2016, 06:25:09 »
Which is quite the penalty.  I'm sure worth it to some, but not many.  Too bad you can't get cameras with different mounts like you can lenses. :-/
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