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Andy

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Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« on: February 29, 2016, 20:45:35 »
You might be interested in this:

The problem with modern optics
http://yannickkhong.com/blog/2016/2/23/the-problem-with-modern-optics

Thoughts on the right kind of cameras and lenses
http://yannickkhong.com/blog/2016/01/31/right-gear

rgds,
Andy

PS: might contribute to the current Otus debate

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 21:14:45 »
Good article to be out there, thanks for the tip.  The sharpness stuff is so unbelievably over-rated.
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 21:21:35 »
Andy, thank you so much for this wonderful and down to earth article.
I am in search of the 135/2.8 AIS now :)
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 21:36:01 »
Jakov, the article very much re-affirms my interest in the Voigtlander 40mm f/2 and the Zeiss 35mm f/2!
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 21:36:24 »
So, I'm not alone in the world. Now, that is enjoyable news ...

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 21:42:05 »
I like the tone of this author.  Very good balance of insight and humor.

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 21:53:46 »
I can understand where he is coming from and his advocating of a balanced view which evaluates different aspects of lens design rather than just bare resolution is certainly commendable. I don't know many knowledgeable photographers who do only care about resolution, and I think the problem is mostly restricted to certain review sites who reduce a lens to one number, and people listening to them instead of observing for themselves what counts for them.

On the other hand, my eyes fail to see -- despite considerable staring -- some of the differences he calls blatant and obvious, i.e. Flat nose vs 3d nose etc. Some he calls flat are very plastic to me, and the reason could be the perspective rather than the number of elements or coatings etc. In addition, There is so much that changes between shots, different person, different light, that claiming a difference in lens design is what causes the (at best minute) differences is somewhat daring. If anything, I would say that all lenses he portrays are remarkably similar to each other. If that is the message, i.e. don't buy the fanciest lenses because they will cost you more without getting you a tangible difference, then that would be somewhat supported by the sample images. However, I get the impression that he is trying to prove much more.

I also think that unless one is conducting a controlled experiment, one could prove almost any point and its contrary with sample images.

Maybe I'm just being overly picky and critical, please forgive me.
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 22:01:20 »
Simone - I was also wondering about the flat vs. 3D nose comments.  Can anyone explain this point further?

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2016, 22:08:40 »
Simone - I was also wondering about the flat vs. 3D nose comments.  Can anyone explain this point further?

I like the tone of this author.  Very good balance of insight and humor.

His message: Don't take the world too serious .... Humor is sometimes more important than tables full of technical data .....

rgds,
Andy

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2016, 22:08:53 »
One of the many methods of getting the points "across" is using irony ...

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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2016, 22:44:19 »
The flat vs 3d thing means exactly what it says.  In the images he pointed out as rendering faces flat, they lack depth in the rendering of fhe faces.  Compare faces in the images taken by the Sigma art 35mm and the Nikkor 35mm f/2, which one looks more 3d to you?  To my eyes, the face in the Sigma art photo looks extremely sharp, and extremely flat and dull.
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2016, 22:58:40 »
I like lenses that show some "faulty" character like mechanical vignetting (compensation is always turned off), field curvature, soft corners, etc as I believe it enhances the boke qualities of the out of focus areas and makes the main subject standout in brightness and sharpness from the background putting in on the main stage for the viewer.

Of course there needs to be some level of sharpness and contrast in the centre of the image to make it all work in making the image pop :)
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2016, 23:00:16 »
The flat vs 3d thing means exactly what it says.  In the images he pointed out as rendering faces flat, they lack depth in the rendering of fhe faces.  Compare faces in the images taken by the Sigma art 35mm and the Nikkor 35mm f/2, which one looks more 3d to you?  To my eyes, the face in the Sigma art photo looks extremely sharp, and extremely flat and dull.

That's exactly the comparison I was referring to that I could not see with my eyes.

Even if I was in the mood to see it as he labels the images, there could be a number of reasons that this is so, none of them to do with the lens. To decide that it must be the lens would require you to explain away in your mind all the other easily perceivable differences that exist between the two shots, i.e. to explain why they would not matter to a significant degree.

Incidentally, I find the Sigma Art image not flat at all. It looks very plastic and I think the main reason is the close-up perspective and low DOF. The Nikon image is also not flat, but not much better either. Both are perfectly okay and I wouldn't make a lens purchase decision based on any of these samples.
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2016, 23:23:36 »
Interesting point of view, but the comparisons for flat or 3D rendering are not convincing. IMHO the lighting makes the difference.

I have used quite a lot of old and new "standard" lenses these recent times, only to find that the 50/1.4 SC is really interesting, while the modern supercorrected Tamron 45/1.8 is... well... equally interesting with its combined resolution and smoothness.
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Re: Yannick Khong: "The Problem with modern Optics"
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2016, 23:24:44 »
Andy, thanks for the links.

Now that I came back to Nikon FX by replacing my m4/3 system with D750 and 50/1.8G, I think I'm standing on a nice starting point.   :o :o :o

Yes, I have kept my Nikkor-Q C Auto 200/4.0.   8)
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