Author Topic: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4  (Read 14023 times)

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First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« on: February 28, 2016, 01:06:33 »
Day shots with D810 and CPL filter. I really don't like the colors of this camera.
Night shots with D4s.
All pics with my traditional pp (levels/sharpen).
The lens is ridiculously big and heavy, but I like to handle it and the results.
Thank you for looking.

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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 04:35:32 »
Aguinaldo
These are stunning - but I think that is to do with your eye and composition rather than just a superb lens.

I like the colours and they are gorgeous - my ZF2 APO 135mm has a similar cool-ish rendition that is less apparent on the Df than on the D800E and seems -1/3rd stop underexposed
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 07:24:01 »
Good shots, and I'm glad I waited to view them on a larger,color correct monitor.  Right now, the Photobucket click-through (to see them larger) is working too slowly to be useable.
I'm a 28mm fan, so this'd be the Otus for me....budget allowing.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 11:21:43 »
Technically and compositional excellent, yet with that lifeless, dull projection we have seen so frequently from Otus lenses.

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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 12:22:07 »
Aguinaldo
These are stunning - but I think that is to do with your eye and composition rather than just a superb lens.

I like the colours and they are gorgeous - my ZF2 APO 135mm has a similar cool-ish rendition that is less apparent on the Df than on the D800E and seems -1/3rd stop underexposed
JJ
Thank you JJChan.
I just hate the sky rendering of the D810 and I'll sell it soon.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 12:23:44 »
Good shots, and I'm glad I waited to view them on a larger,color correct monitor.  Right now, the Photobucket click-through (to see them larger) is working too slowly to be useable.
I'm a 28mm fan, so this'd be the Otus for me....budget allowing.

I'm still waiting for that occasion when this glass will show its real performance  (strong backlight for instance).
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 12:25:10 »
Technically and compositional excellent, yet with that lifeless, dull projection we have seen so frequently from Otus lenses.

Thank you, but I don't find anything dull about these Otus lenses. They are quite exciting IMHO.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 12:34:01 »
Our eyes and expectations are just different.

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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2016, 13:33:10 »
This could be an interesting conversation. It is a bit like being caught between the devil and the deep-blue sea. On the one hand we have lenses (like the Otus and the Coastal Optics) that are highly corrected, although the way Bjørn speaks of the Otus series, I used to speak of the Coastal Optics 60mm APO, so I can understand. I always felt that the CO 60mm was just what it was designed to be, a forensic lens.

Highly corrected lenses do go to great efforts to remove anything that would add this or that distortion, by definition. My question is: by correcting a lens, are we removing character? If we define lenses with character as those that have “interesting” distortion (whatever you want to call what we correct lenses for), then there can be no argument.

I have gone to great length to find lenses with “character,” as I define the term. Glass like the Noct Nikkor, the El Nikkor 105mm APO, the CRT-Nikkor, the CV-125mm and many others have loads of character and I love them for it. At the same time, I have sold off many lenses that also have uncorrected “character,” but just not the character that distinguishes a lens in my eyes.

There is no doubt that the “eyes” have it, and the last I looked, we each see differently. That being said, personally, I tend to view a highly corrected lens such as the Otus series as offering me a clean canvas for painting on rather than some kind of dull vanilla pudding.

In my work, which is all I have, I go back and forth between “character” lenses like the various exotics and the corrected lens series like the Otus, which are my canvas or work lenses. I use both types all the time. My old work lenses used to be the Nikon trifecta, the 14-24mm, the 24-70mm, and the 70-200mm, but their “character” and degree of correction gave way to the Otus series in my work.

However, I don’t find the Otus lenses dull or unexciting, but just the opposite. Maybe I need new glasses.  :)
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2016, 13:44:23 »
#10 is tagged Adobe RGB (didn't check the others) so some browsers wouldn't display it properly.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2016, 13:51:42 »
Aguinaldo, maybe the sky rendering with the D810 could be improved by using different color profiles?
Interesting shots of an exotic (to me) place. The colors of the sea are most impressive to me.

The conversation about dullness also interests me. Right now I don't have the extensive experience that is perhaps needed to perceive these nuances. However, I'd like to learn more about it.

There are many highly corrected lenses. If the Otus and the APO Lanthar 125 are both highly corrected, what makes one dull and the other one have character?

Is a lens such as the newest Nikkor 200/2 from the former or the latter category? Is it highly corrected, but not as highly as it could be, thereby preserving character?

Are Zeiss lenses perhaps generally of a different character than Nikon lenses, irrespective of the degree of actual or marketed correction? For example, are the 'regular' Zeiss lenses that are not terribly well corrected also of more character than the newer Otus lenses?
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2016, 13:58:44 »
To me the images are a tad underexposed but by no means dull.
An image can be dull but I don't agree with the notion that a lens can be dull.
It's up to us to use our gear in such a way to produce interesting images.
Images can be dull even when a lens with character is used.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2016, 14:01:30 »
I find the older Zeiss like the two Makro-Planars, which I am selling off, different than the new Otus Zeiss. The CV-125 APO Lanthar is not as well corrected as the Otus, but its character is very interesting.

The earlier Zeiss are too "contrasty," whatever we could agree that is.

I really like the Otus lenses and manage to add my own character to my work. After all, we each are characters enough, right? Does that count? The Otus are not "dull" in my experience. It would be helpful to point out (someone please), considering how many useful corrections the Otus series has, which of those corrections contribute to the so-called dullness?

Of those that actually own the Otus and use them all the time, like Ming Thein, Chambers, etc., they don't find them dull.

I know this is very subjective, but then again it is also objective. Otherwise we could not discuss it at all. If a lens is too corrected, does that make it lack character? In my experience with the Oti lenses, that has not been the case.
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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2016, 14:55:23 »
My intuition has been that if a lens has too much character, it might (or might not) interfere with my intentions and limit the possibilities in ways I might not want. I like lenses with lots of character such as the Nikkor 50/1.2 wide open, but then again, there are times when it annoys me or does not go well with a certain subject and I have to stop it down or use a different lens. A lens which lacks this sort of characteristic mix of aberrations is more accurate in a certain sense and does not incur the risk of having something in the image that is hard or impossible to remove and not conducive to the presentation of the subject. At the same time it forces me to concentrate on subject matter and composition to achieve an interesting shot, whereas the lens with heaps of character might even render an otherwise mundane shot interesting by evoking a certain mood.

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Re: First shots with the Otus 28mm f/1.4
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2016, 16:21:31 »
Anyone familiar with a variety of lenses do know the lenses don't behave identical. How they differ is less easy to quantify.

A commonly applied term like "sharpness" actually is troublesome to grasp, and even more so to compare, because it is not an inherent property of any lens, but deals with the transformation of the subject and its contrast under a specified light regime into an image that itself further needs processing.

Field curvature is easier to understand yet its significance is not equally evident. Most photographic motifs are not perfectly flat unless the primary interest is shooting brick walls. It is entirely possible and in fact the usual rule too, that lenses having pronounced field curvature can yield excellent photographs in most fields of photography. Perhaps this is not applicable to close-up and photomacrography, however, as these fields have their own requirements.

Colour correction is another quagmire field of contention. Basically we would wish our lenses to render all colours perfectly, or is this that important? The glass material in the lenses and the coatings all contribute, often minutely but sometimes massively, to the way colour information is transformed through the optical system finally to be handled by the camera. Just compare non-ED and ED variants of the same lens design to learn the huge differences that can occur. There are so many conflicts at play here and 100% perfection is simply not obtainable. Very efficient coatings certainly alter colour fidelity and possibly to an extent not possible to correct by alternative glass material in the optics. The optical designer has to balance these conflicting contingencies to end up with a manageable final product.

Chromatic errors are widespread and might be detected even in carefully corrected optics. Even many lenses labelled 'APO' are not truly apochromatic and will show traces of colour fringing. Emphasis on correcting lateral colour aberration might have declined somewhat in the digital era as this is quite easy to control and remove post facto. Axial colour or longitudinal colour aberration still is widespread and can be seen with otherwise highly corrected lenses often in a surprising degree. Earlier IF lenses suffered often badly, and the move from film-based to digital photography made these issues even more visible. As axial colour is not easily corrected in the processing work flow, I certainly would wish the engineers to address and solve this aberration in their optical designs.

Now, were we to compare two lenses with true APO character, will these project the same rendition of a given subject? Absolutely not. There are more to lens character than colour fidelity alone. Try a Coastal Optics 60 mm f/4 APO vs the Voigtländer 125 m mf/2.5 APO-Lanthar to appreciate the massive difference there can be between two highly specified and corrected optics. One is clinical and the other - dare I say - ingratiating? Both are excellent performers, no doubt about that.

Sometimes I feel the discussion on lenses is similar to comparing amplifiers and speakers. There are intangible differences not explainable by numbers and graphs  alone in both cases. The important aspect is understanding the tools or gear used.