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Bjørn Jorde

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2016, 05:57:00 »
Sample images might help identify the problem as well.
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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 07:30:54 »
Start with eliminating difference between inside and outside to find the culprit:
- what surface is the tripod on? Grass, pavement?
- what distance to target? Same or longer outside?
- height of tripod
Etc

The good news is you can get sharp in one environment.

Same distance (6- 9 meters), same surface (parquet) and same height of tripod.

I'll see if I can take some new pictures as I've deleted the first ones.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 07:56:49 »
same surface (parquet)
Bjørn,
If you are shooting with your target outside but your tripod inside, the temperature difference and the air waves it generates will fuzz your images. Been there myself in winter.
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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 09:23:52 »
Bjørn,
If you are shooting with your target outside but your tripod inside, the temperature difference and the air waves it generates will fuzz your images. Been there myself in winter.

What a relief; went outside and photographed same target with the tripod outside....SHARP😀!

Lesson learned and thankfully I'm now aware of air "pollution" and how it can affect imagequality.

Thank you all, once again 🙂👍.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 09:42:55 »
Good to hear you found this out ....

Another issue when temperature gradients are severe is shooting from your car, or taking the lens out of the car boot and immediately starting to shoot. Especially in the latter case the lens can be thermally unbalanced and might not even focus to infinity until it has been acclimatised to the ambient temperature.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2016, 04:12:01 »
20121225-20121225-043 - Copy by long[url=https://flic.kr/p/dEhuPq]20121225-043-3 by longzoom, on Flickrzoom[/url], on Flickr.   Very old Sigma 500/7.1 manual lens on the D800.  Very good stable tripod.  1/250, f16.0 for DOF, crop. As more heavy and stable your tripod is, as more keepers you have. Everything posted  above is absolutely correct.  LZ

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2016, 04:25:18 »
20121225-029 by [url=https://flic.kr/p/dEnupH]20121225-029-2 by longzoom, on Flickrlongzoom[/url], on Flickr.  The same combo, the same situation.  Hand held now, 1/750, but with good support. Crop about 200%, I believe. LZ

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 20:43:14 »
With a long lens, one should always use some kind of support. VR alone is never enough.

Sorry, I don't agree.
Probably more than 70% of my photos with my 500mm lens are shot hand-held with no support whatsoever. And most of them are sharp as can be wished.

In fact, on several occasions I have tried to see a difference in sharpness between various forms of support and various combinations of VR settings and shutter speeds, and the only conclusions I have reached is that, on a tripod (and with standard lens foot), VR tripod-mode is better than no VR at speeds under 1/500th, and that I can see no difference in sharpness between say 1/250th with VR and 1/1000 without.

But as this thread clearly indicates, atmospheric conditions are very important at long focal lengths.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2016, 22:14:28 »
Try 1/15 sec and see what kind of results you can achieve hand-held.

There are more areas in photography in which long lenses are used than just birds or sports.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2016, 18:45:03 »
Sure, that's what I am trying to point out. There are more uses for long lenses than distant landscapes. Depending on usage, light levels and camera (settings and performance), it is possible to use fast modern telephoto lenses hand-held with excellent results.

I am not saying they perform at their best hand-held. Very far from it. Even I own a tripod.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2016, 20:23:28 »
Wind is the enemy.
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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2016, 01:09:34 »
Just to contribute my own experience with lenses up to 600mm on my D800 and A7RII:

 - The traditional shutter speed rules of thumb are general guidelines - with my 400/5.6 ED I can get away with 1/800 sec (1/2xFL) with good success and with my A7RII using IBIS 1/FL (1/400) will generally give me very very good results (sharp at 100% viewing of the image)
 - Hand-held ability varies from day to day - sometimes I have more high-frequency shake than other times and thus results vary.
 - As others have said, atmospheric conditions [turbulence level (fluctuation level), the physical scale of the turbulence (eddy size), and turbulence type (wind shear vs. thermal vs. both), etc.] can play a key role at any significant distance.  There is not "safe" time of day for reduced turbulence, it can happen at any time depending on what type of turbulence it is.
 - Lens thermal stability.  As Bjorn pointed out, with long lenses, just as with telescopes (reflector and refractors) if the optic is either out of thermal equilibrium or is very hot/cold relative to the surroundings this will have bad effects on the image quality
 - Some lenses are myopic - i.e., even with perfect atmospherics, they tend to be sharper at closer distances than at "infinity"
 - Focusing accuracy:  All of my telephotos give poor image quality with very very very minor changes in focusing.  My D800 is nearly useless with my 400 and 600mm lenses as the OVF is totally inadequate and the poor LiveView implementation is not accurate enough.  Only my A7RII is really good enough with LiveView to get optimum focus.  The D810 is reportedly much better with LiveView.
 - My long lenses have good days and bad days depending on the absolute temperature.  I.e., even if the lens has come to thermal equilibrium sometimes they don't like being very cold or very hot

My 2 cents.

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2016, 06:28:12 »
I'm a frequent user of tele-lenses. Had very few problems as a result of atmospheric disturbances. There is a definite need for very performing AF such as with the D4s and now the D5 and D500. I'm using telelenses in all support alternatives i.e. tripod, handheld (I have a quite stable hand) or monopod, the latter more used as a "rest" between shots rather than a device to improve stability:

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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2016, 08:10:37 »
Excellent guidance on using long lenses, especially now that a correct method has been identified when carrying out sharpness tests.
I would very much enjoy hearing all the different uses for a long lens other than birds, sport and celebrities on beaches.
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Re: How to photograph with telephoto lens (400)?
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2016, 23:51:37 »
I would very much enjoy hearing all the different uses for a long lens other than birds, sport and celebrities on beaches.

1) selection of background.
a. Frame a subject
b. Double the focal length and frame as before, e.g. 50 to 105mm. You will change the perspective as you'll double the subject distance.
c. Note one half the background is now included. Now move slightly side to side to include or exclude items in background while keeping the primary subject framed as at the start.

Try 50 to 200, 300, 400, etc.

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