Author Topic: Noct Nikkor for Close-up  (Read 8413 times)

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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2016, 06:58:06 »
i currently shoot with the 55mm f/1.2, in fact that is the lens that i have right now on my daily camera.  :o :o :o

i also refer it as the poor man's NOCT but the 55 is nowhere near the NOCT wide open in the center. it does produce rather charming photos wide open by the way and many times i would grab it over the 50mm f/1.2 which seems to be really well corrected wide open (my 50mm f/1.2 is back at nikon for calibration).

HAW_3598 by mrBabaero, on Flickr
the 55's poorly corrected CA wide open is used to great effect for smoothing wrinkles and make the skin "glow" in the highlights.

HAW_2981 by mrBabaero, on Flickr
the 55 also has the tendency to create busy bokeh balls on foliage (i judge bokeh by how well it renders foliage in the BG).

still waiting for a NOCT to appear again in the junk shops here. there was one 2 months ago and i regret that i skipped it even though i can clean whatever was inside there in the first place...

PS: lastly, the 55 has a notch in the rear element for mechanical purposes. this will case the bokeh balls to have a notch as well... in short, your bokeh balls will not be perfectly circular (or evenly lemon-shaped on the corners of the image)

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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2016, 07:11:55 »
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PS: lastly, the 55 has a notch in the rear element for mechanical purposes. this will case the bokeh balls to have a notch as well... in short, your bokeh balls will not be perfectly circular (or evenly lemon-shaped on the corners of the image)

That is why the rear element is painted with black masking paint, forming a circle to remove the notch in the oof blur circles.

I have seen this paint worn off on some lenses, by excessive cleaning /use...

BTW posting dog photos with other lenses in this thread is like,,, not so nice  :o
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2016, 08:46:08 »
It is clear to me that the Noct requires some special consideration. The first couple of shots show an approach that works. The multi-layer stacked image is not the way to go, but this is how we find out, right?

I am interested in learning to use the Noct, finding my own way to make it useful.

Wishing you the best of success Michael, with that new challenge!! Looks like there will be some ineresting results coming...
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2016, 11:28:33 »
I disagree.

Why? For macro I do not see any difference.

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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2016, 14:41:49 »
The Noct you got is the Ais - The old  Ai has a lot more focus throw, it has about 230 deg since the mechanics are totally different, longer helicoils a bit stronger old fashion design stronger,,,

The Ai version has only seven aperture blades, which can affect the OOF rendition unless it is wide open...
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2016, 14:44:44 »
Michael, did you see anything better with the Noct than with Nikkor-O 55/1.2, except for the difference in the handling (with or without the focus ring)?
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2016, 14:47:41 »
The Ai version has only seven aperture blades, which can affect the OOF rendition unless it is wide open...
Yes it has but they are actually slightly rounded - so at f/2-2.5 they are actually more round than the 9 straight blades of the Ais! ;)
Also you know Michael is a straight open kind of guy,,, ;)
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 14:52:21 »
Yes it has but they are actually slightly rounded - so at f/2-2.5 they are actually more round than the 9 straight blades of the Ais! ;)
Also you know Michael is a straight open kind of guy,,, ;)

Erik, thanks for the info on the secven-blade version.  But Michael "sometimes" tries to stop down a lens, if I understand correctly.  ;)
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 14:57:18 »
Erik, thanks for the info on the secven-blade version.  But Michael "sometimes" tries to stop down a lens, if I understand correctly.  ;)

I have the 9-blade version and I seldom stop down for stacking. I stack wide open, provided the lens is sharp and fast wide open..
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 16:19:28 »
Hi Michael
Congrats on new lens and unique pictures that still speak your vision.
It really has a complex character- the large field curvature at short medium distances which flattens towards infinity, the apo like crispness at f5.6-f8, the high micro contrasts when light is behind or to the side, the beautiful bokeh particularly within the inner 3/4 circle - it has so many nuances. I haven't the skills to exploit half of the character of this lense... it's a keeper for me.

I'm really looking forward to seeing your endeavors with this special glass

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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2016, 17:37:28 »

BTW posting dog photos with other lenses in this thread is like,,, not so nice  :o
Shall I delete it?  There is still time...
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2016, 18:33:14 »
Michael,

How would you compare the Noct with the 55mm Otus?
Great photo! You must have a really good camera.

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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2016, 18:52:55 »
Michael,

How would you compare the Noct with the 55mm Otus?


I don’t think of them in terms of comparison. The Noct Nikkor is a specialty lens, while the Zeiss Otus 55mm is an all-around useful lens… for me anyway, in the work I do.

The Noct, so far in my use, is very, very delicate. It is fussy about focus and compares in my mind more with the CRT Nikkor or the El Nikkor APO 105mm.

The Noct is not that well corrected and artifacts definitely are easy to come by. I am only using it close-up and midrange, and so far it has told me that I am going to have to learn how to use it. Large stacks don’t do well, however a single-shot with the lens, with a couple of stacked layers to bring out a focus area or two works great. Again, the word “delicate” comes to mind, at least as to what’s required of me.

I can say that this is a unique lens. I have no other lens that demands I proceed so very carefully and with as light a touch. This means that once I figure out how I want to use it, I probably will want to have it with me, along with the various Zeiss Otus-type lenses that I like very much.

So, the Noct is classed with the CRT-Nikkor, the El Nikor APO 105, the Printing Nikkors, and some of the Painterly Lens that I am exploring. However, I am very impressed, so far. I am glad I sprung for it, even though it meant selling off lenses that I like but seldom use.

It is mid-winter here, so I have few things natural to photograph, but here is another shot with the Noct and the D810 that I just took.
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2016, 20:41:58 »
I am starting to get more of a handle on the Noct. Here is another shot of some Cyclamen flowers. This time, I have a single shot, with then a couple of layers of finer focus in two parts of the image. It starts to look like something. There is no doubt that, at least for me, this is a very impressionistic lens, with a lot of emotional wallop.
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Re: Noct Nikkor for Close-up
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2016, 02:47:18 »
Michael,

These are all great photos. The second photo above is stunning. If you ever tire of the Noct, drop me a PM. I'd gladly make the drive across the state to pick it up from you.

Cheers,

Nick