@ John: Yeah, winter is pretty mild out here. What is really nice is that the mountains/snow is less than an hour away, the beach is 30 minutes away, LA/Hollywood is 30 minutes away, wine country is 90 minutes and the desert is two hours away. I have Hummingbirds and butterflies in the backyard year long. If you could put up with horrible traffic, high taxes, high housing costs and no parking ... you would probably like this place.