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Anirban Halder

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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2025, 02:49:39 »

So don't get the idea that an SSD will last forever. They can fail too.

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So what do you use then? That was my original question.
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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2025, 03:51:14 »
So what do you use then? That was my original question.

Mostly HDD(s). I go for units with 5 year warranties such as as the maker isn't going to give you an HDD that is likely to fail during the warranty period (though they can).

I remember having great luck with Maxtor HDD(s) but then a new drive died in about 12 days and the replacement only last 48 hours. The next one was still running fine until the size limit made it unuseful to me.

Something I learned the hard way is always uncable data HDD(s) when partitioning a new drive. I had a boot HDD running hot so I was creating a HDD to replace it. This was way back with Windows NT. I had a crash that took out the master boot record and four drives. I used Phoenix data recovery software but lost 30 Adobe PSD files that were recovered as thumbnails only. I had one backup of my Nikon NEF files on a small, external USB-2 drive. It was two weeks out of date but Phoenix rescued that two week period fine. I recreated the Photoshop files as needed.

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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2025, 09:55:48 »
SSDs need to be used on a regular basis or they may die off slowly. Thus not the ideal storage unit for off-site placement. I use HDDs for that purpose.

I've experienced SSDs going bad twice (Kingston and Samsung units). Monitoring S.M.A.R.T. status can give a warning ahead of a disaster, but is no guarantee. When an SSD fails, it tends to become completely unreadable. RAID setups for attached storage systems and replication/backups of critical data will always be beneficial.

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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2025, 15:01:36 »
Mostly HDD(s). I go for units with 5 year warranties such as as the maker isn't going to give you an HDD that is likely to fail during the warranty period (thought they can).

5 years can pass very fastly ... A 2018 Western Digital with 6TB died on me this year ...
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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2025, 15:13:51 »
Thanks a lot David, Birna.
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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2025, 19:22:02 »
5 years can pass very fastly ... A 2018 Western Digital with 6TB died on me this year ...
This year died an 8TB Western Digital from 2021

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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2025, 20:19:57 »
There are two types of drives: those that have failed and those that have not failed yet.

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« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2025, 20:29:15 »
Backblaze offers online backups. They have many, many drives in their data centres and like to report on the statistics of how long they last.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/category/cloud-storage/hard-drive-stats/

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« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2025, 20:43:27 »
That are the HDD which deceased over the last two years.



HDD OUT by
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All are gradually replaced by SSD's



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For back-up disks, I stay with the cheaper HDD's.
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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2025, 08:13:42 »
As far as i can remember never had in say 30 years a broken hdd! For what i understand hdd's often fail mechanically and can be fixed .. mechanically!

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« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2025, 09:17:55 »
Reviving this thread. Curious how are you all storing your photos in 2025? SSD, Cloud etc? Do you have primary and backup?

I used to have my digital images on hard drives and optical discs as second or third copy. However, at some point the amount of data grew too large and I stopped (or paused) creating optical discs and now mostly have NAS units for primary and backup.

I edit on internal SSDs and projects that are new are copied to internal HDs for temporary backup and as time goes by and I need space on the internal drives I move the copies to the NAS units.

However, I dream of one day taking up writing to optical discs again. I fear that technology might disappear though. Tape drives seem very expensive today.

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« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2025, 15:57:45 »
Optical discs are becoming scarce. Only Blu-ray and DVD remain in limited production:
   •   CD-RW: mostly discontinued, but small stocks (Verbatim, Maxell) still appear online (Amazon, archival suppliers).
   •   DVD±RW: still available, though slowly being phased out.
   •   BD-RE: fully available — 25 GB and 50 GB versions from Verbatim, Panasonic, Sony remain common for archival or professional backup.
   •   BD-RE XL (100 GB): rare and expensive; supported only by high-end burners.

And now that we are talking in terms of TB - I have online 12 Terabyte (mostly images) - the capacity of optical looks very minimalist.
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« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2025, 01:20:43 »
Reviving this thread. Curious how are you all storing your photos in 2025? SSD, Cloud etc? Do you have primary and backup?

My apologies for not answering your question fully.

Having established that all drives will fail at some unknown time, what you need are backups. The minimum would be your original files and one backup locally, on separate devices, and another backup stored off site.

Important: RAID is not a backup! It improves transfer speeds and provides redundancy to keep you working if a drive fails, but any change to a file is reflected throughout that particular RAID. You cannot undo a mistake.

SSDs provide fast access and no latency. They are small and rugged. However, they are relatively expensive per terabyte. HDDs are slower and have latency. However, they offer a lot of storage for relatively little money. Mix and match to suit your needs and desires.

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Re: A friendly warning ...
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2025, 04:12:08 »
SSDs need to be used on a regular basis or they may die off slowly.

Do I understand correctly the thumb drives and SSD(s) only need to be powered up for a short period to keep them from loosing all data.

I my experience a thumb drive will be readable for a least a year but I wonder if that is pushing it. I have some thumb drives I have no idea what is on them or how long it's been since the were powered up. Maybe I'll find my first that has lost all it's data.

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« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2025, 09:44:20 »
Yes, they may need to be powered once in a while. Once a year or more frequently should do the trick.

These solid state devices lose data in a different manner -- they become completely unreadable, literally bricked  -- than a spinning HDD, which in many instances can have data extracted either by recovery software, or failing that, by manual dissambly of the platters in a laboratory. The latter is horribly expensive, though.

You should read these thumb drives/memory sticks. If only to discover what they have hidden in form of forgotten images.