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Dr Klaus Schmitt

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How to modularily mount a projection lens
« on: August 24, 2015, 08:15:55 »
How to mount a projection lens, front adapter can be changed, as well as rear (can be basically any camera).

Works from infinity (depending on lens back focal length) to very closeup. Setscrews allow to calibrate the infinity position.

Lens --> Lens Adapter to M65 --> M65 to M42 Helicoid --> M42 to Camera mount Adapter







It is not a slim elegant and lightweight solution, but the benefits are:

1) no lens modification needed
2) very durable
3) non rotating front
4) accepts a variety of lens types and lens diameters
5) allows a variety of camera mounts
6) needs only about 15mm net optical length (plus camera register) for lens diameter 62.5mm or smaller
7) safes money and time for not having to go to the gym, as it is quite heavy :-)

The design is basically made to accept 35mm film russian projection lenses with a standard 62.5mm diameter.
Smaller ones (52.5mm etc.) are possible using a different front plate, also some larger ones, but infinity focus
may often not be reached using the latter, as such lenses cannot dive into the helicoid.

The M65 helicoid is made in China and may be found on ebay.

Those two adapter rings (front and back) are made by rafcamera.com based on my design.
The front one has three hex nut setscrews which hold the lens in place and allows to adjust infinity focus (only if the lens has enough back focal length)
Rafcamera offers several camera adapter plates for the rear one incl. Nikon-F.
Orders may be done directly through their site or through amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dphoto&field-keywords=rafcamera+M65&rh=i%3Aphoto%2Ck%3Arafcamera+M65
(I have no connections with them except that I'm a happy customer...)

[my name is on the rings was a curtesy of rafcamera and is a non standard feature]
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 08:48:59 »
Thanks for the references! Much appreciated ;)

Edit to add:

Thanks for sharing your Idea!
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 09:42:15 »
Thanks for the references! Much appreciated ;)

OK, so if only the references have value, but not my original idea, I guess I'm in the wrong place.
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 09:56:41 »
We need to see what a finished project looks like as well, you know.

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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2015, 10:14:37 »
Thanks for the references! Much appreciated ;)

OK, so if only the references have value, but not my original idea, I guess I'm in the wrong place.
??? I'm sorry that you completely misunderstand my reply, It was not my intent not to praise you for you idea!
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 10:59:44 »
As always, I'm amazed of the ability the members if this community has to hack solutions to use any optic to any job :-)
Maybe my winter project will be to dig out any (not so) obscure lens I have in storage, and connect it to my camera to explore if they have any caracter. I have a few enlarger lenses (porbably of the cheap kind) from my B/W-film days. And an odd M39 of dubious eastern origin have been seen on the shelves if I remember correctly. :D

Many thanks for the inspiration!

-frank-
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 13:37:51 »
Dr Klaus, thanks for the detailed description!
Now it's up to Dr Lens to create one for me  :D
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 14:24:24 »
We need to see what a finished project looks like as well, you know.

Finished product? That IS a finished product and it works very well for me with a variety of lenses and cameras....

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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 14:26:40 »
I think Bjørn meant a photo as the finished product?
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 14:35:12 »
I think Bjørn meant a photo as the finished product?

Images shot with

MEOPTA 1.3/70mm https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums/72157648073130494

and quite a few more...

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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 14:48:54 »
Klaus: Can I take the lens from my Zeiss Ikon Perkeo AV slide projector and turn it into a DSLR lens?

Very exciting idea.
You are out there. You and your camera. You can shoot or not shoot as you please. Discover the world, Your world. Show it to us. Or we might never see it.

Me: https://youpic.com/photographer/frankfremerey/

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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 14:59:29 »
Thank you for the links!
I browsed through them and I noticed that the characteristics are similar to the Heligon 100/1.6 that I already have thanks to Dr Lens :)
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2017, 20:13:01 »
Klaus: Can I take the lens from my Zeiss Ikon Perkeo AV slide projector and turn it into a DSLR lens?

Very exciting idea.

yes, guess you get the idea behind all this ;-)


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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2017, 20:14:38 »
I have some news, based on some pre-production samples I just tested:
I have discussed with Rafcamera to add a filter mount into their M65x1 camera adapter, to accept 40.5mm standard filter mount, so as to allow ND (or other filters) to be mounted inside. As I noticed due to the speed of thoses projection lenses, ISO could not be lowered enough to avoid over-exposure.

Soon available in quantities (so far) for Nikon, Sony-E and mft (micro 4/3)
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Re: How to modularily mount a projection lens
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 22:17:51 »
Very interesting news, Klaus.