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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2026, 21:28:18 »
Personally I'd be happy with a "Z" equivalent of a D500

Unless a Z replacement for the D500 was substantially less expensive than the Z8 the Z8 makes an excellent replacement for the D500 as well as the D850.

At this point in time I see no advantage in DX as one can always crop an FX NEF deeply and if shooting JPG(s) where DX is desired the camera can be switched to DX capture mode.

If a Z replacement for the D500 was smaller than the Z8 the controls and function buttons would suffer.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2026, 21:45:10 »
More useful info about "reach"
& different ways to achieve it - thank you Les

Well, yes it's more affordable.
I would probably spend $7,000 differently though

If you compare the portability, weight & size of a D500 plus equivalent lens, it would probably cost less and be more portable out in the field than this 800mm and a Z8.

Of course, i appreciate that this thread has morphed into a discussion on whether Nikon has given us better options nowadays, compared to those from design decisions made decades ago.

Personally I'd be happy with a "Z" equivalent of a D500
Nikon was in a very difficult economic situation a few years ago and the Z-System was late, so we profit now from a very cheap 800/6,3 lens and dont forget the Z9 was offered 1000 Euro cheaper than the D6.
I was a heavy D500 user and frequently preferred it over the D850 (switched to DX mode when needed with a unique viefwinder surround visibility not available in the D6). One of the advantages of the D500 was the larger area of the image that was covered by the AF sensor as well. With the Z-System the situation has changed a bit. I can use Z9 and Z8 in FX/DX switch mode (the viewfinder adapts automatically which has pros and cons) and I am not sure whether I would buy a Z500 since its advantages are more limited. For me it would depend whether it is smaller and more ligthweight than the Z8 but share its control-layout and funcionality (like the ability to set EV values  in full stops). A control layout like the Z6/7 series is a reason for exclusion (like it was the case with the Z6III).

i appreciate the discussion as well but I am coming back that an adapter like described would be good for us and Nikons image, would most likely never happen (especially when Nikon is facing losses again and the market is shrinking) but this is not arguable on a pure rational level.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2026, 05:55:09 »
So there are pieces of gear that do not sell in numbers but make users dream, make them more attuned to Nikon, make them believe they belong to the communitiy of thoseusing the best camera system and such like. So now coming back to our desired advanced FTZ adapter Nikon could have made anengineering  marvel out of it and make headline and show that they uncomparably support their long-term users and value the Nikon gear they have bought in the past. It wont address the mass market I would certainly buy one or two of those and I certainly would not be alone.

BTW: You did write Z6 but mean the F6 or D6 I guess.

F6.

I would certainly applaud Nikon for making an engineering marvel regardless of its sales potential - not being either a stockholder or employee of Nikon it does not bother me if they lose a million or two.

However, if demonstrating support for long-term users is what is needed for Nikon's brand, an AF-D capable FTZ won't do it. The reason is that there are two issues for the usability of products more than a few years old: one, less important, is backward compatibility, and the other, more important, is spare parts availability. An AF-D capable FTZ won't help when the lens you bought to use it with develops a fault and can't be repaired. What would demonstrate a genuine commitment to long-term users is long-term spare parts availability.
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2026, 07:36:40 »
Les - kudos to you - so very well said.  I totally agree.

(And please, if I may add to your remarks, making superior plastic parts to replace those that crack and fail.)

..........................., more important, is spare parts availability.

An AF-D capable FTZ won't help when the lens you bought to use it with develops a fault and can't be repaired.

What would demonstrate a genuine commitment to long-term users is long-term spare parts availability.


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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2026, 12:33:05 »
I would certainly applaud Nikon for making an engineering marvel regardless of its sales potential - not being either a stockholder or employee of Nikon it does not bother me if they lose a million or two.

However, if demonstrating support for long-term users is what is needed for Nikon's brand, an AF-D capable FTZ won't do it. The reason is that there are two issues for the usability of products more than a few years old: one, less important, is backward compatibility, and the other, more important, is spare parts availability. An AF-D capable FTZ won't help when the lens you bought to use it with develops a fault and can't be repaired. What would demonstrate a genuine commitment to long-term users is long-term spare parts availability.

One does not exclude the other but I second that Nikon could and should improve the servicability of their products and should have a look on Leica in this aspect. What I find especially annoying is that expthe ensive lenses like the 200-400/4 VR have some design flaws causing higher probability to fail and are on the same hand unservicable.
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2026, 19:42:31 »
What would demonstrate a genuine commitment to long-term users is long-term spare parts availability.

There is a story that is probably true. This came from an independent camera repairman and long time friend. One day at Nikon USA repair technicians were instructed to take out a hammer and destroy all their spare Nikon F2 parts. The apparent purpose was to push sales of new Nikon F3.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2026, 19:54:32 »
A very interesting discussion. Personally, the FTZ adapter that I think Nikon (or someone else) should make is one that supports AI metering. If the lens data has been set into the camera, an AI FTZ adaptor would allow the lens aperture to show in the viewfinder and to be recorded in EXIF data. I think that would be a very useful and desirable feature. I am sure there are plenty of photographers with legacy AI, AIS, and old AF lenses (including AF lenses which don't AF any more) who still like to use them on their Z cameras. The current lack of viewfinder information means you would constantly have to take your eye away from the viewfinder and over the top of the camera to see if the aperture has been set correctly, or turn the aperture ring to max and then count the clicks until the required aperture has been set, which slows down the picture taking process. This could mean you risk shoot at the wrong aperture or lose the shot. Having the shooting aperture in the EXIF data is also useful when reviewing images later.

An AI FTZ adapter would be much simpler and more robust than one which supports screwdrive AF, although more complex than the current adaptor. Not having AF with legacy lenses would not bother me so much as Z cameras have good tools such as focus peaking, increasing magnification, and IBIS which allow the photographer to focus quickly and accurately.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2026, 22:21:21 »
There is a story that is probably true. This came from an independent camera repairman and long time friend. One day at Nikon USA repair technicians were instructed to take out a hammer and destroy all their spare Nikon F2 parts. The apparent purpose was to push sales of new Nikon F3(s).

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Of course I don't know if thats true and if so if it is the only case. The Situation where the F3 followed the F2 was unique as there reportedly was no overlap, the F2 was de-listed out immidiately (whereas the F3 stayed in the catalogue longer than the F4 and certainly not because this model was that superior). The mechanical F2 was seen as superior then by many photographers and electronics appeared not as trustworthy at that time, so Nikon had more need to push customers than ever before and afterwards. The improvements were little and the new centerweighted 80/20 ratio was not liked by everyone.
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2026, 22:31:08 »
A very interesting discussion. Personally, the FTZ adapter that I think Nikon (or someone else) should make is one that supports AI metering. If the lens data has been set into the camera, an AI FTZ adaptor would allow the lens aperture to show in the viewfinder and to be recorded in EXIF data. I think that would be a very useful and desirable feature. I am sure there are plenty of photographers with legacy AI, AIS, and old AF lenses (including AF lenses which don't AF any more) who still like to use them on their Z cameras. The current lack of viewfinder information means you would constantly have to take your eye away from the viewfinder and over the top of the camera to see if the aperture has been set correctly, or turn the aperture ring to max and then count the clicks until the required aperture has been set, which slows down the picture taking process. This could mean you risk shoot at the wrong aperture or lose the shot. Having the shooting aperture in the EXIF data is also useful when reviewing images later.

An AI FTZ adapter would be much simpler and more robust than one which supports screwdrive AF, although more complex than the current adaptor. Not having AF with legacy lenses would not bother me so much as Z cameras have good tools such as focus peaking, increasing magnification, and IBIS which allow the photographer to focus quickly and accurately.
When Canon released the RF system they provided three EF/RF adapters, the standard, one with ring and one with filter holder. I have nothing against more NIKON FTZ versions. What I actually would prefer is one adapter that provides AF-S and screwdriver support plus AI (and Firmware updates that provide Aperture ring usability on the camera side also with CPU-lenses) and AI-S detection. Nothing against a simpler, cheaper adapter for AI (S) alone.
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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2026, 02:39:38 »
Yes, Canon has done a better job here.  Even a future FTZ adapter with aperture ring support would be nice.

When Canon released the RF system they provided three EF/RF adapters, the standard, one with ring and one with filter holder. I have nothing against more NIKON FTZ versions. What I actually would prefer is one adapter that provides AF-S and screwdriver support plus AI (and Firmware updates that provide Aperture ring usability on the camera side also with CPU-lenses) and AI-S detection. Nothing against a simpler, cheaper adapter for AI (S) alone.
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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2026, 11:34:15 »
Great comments guys

... I see no advantage in DX as one can always crop an FX NEF deeply .

I've been down this path long ago David, comparing cropped D800 output to my then D300
(not enough to make me change even then)

Thanks MILLIREHM, I agree with you.
Plus the point is now moot as Nikon seem to have left the HQ DX concept for good.
My requirements are probably different from many of you as I shoot many more telephoto subjects than wideangle.

There's an inevitable event on the horizon that may possibly fund a move to Z bodies and lenses.

Meanwhile, back to adapters :)

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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2026, 01:25:53 »
One more minor item for the wish list for a feature of an FTZ III. This is a feature that is not available to lenses without a CPU. FV lock (Flash Value) does not function on the Z8 with FTZ and AIS Nikkors.

The FV Lock fires an open flash that the camera uses to determines the flash exposure. It's toggle on, toggle off. Press to measure and lock the flash exposure; press a second time to release the flash exposure.

What this does for me is takes care of the say cheese smile of a first shot. Almost all subjects relax and give a natural smile after the measurement open flash. Typically I take a first and second shot. The subjects might be guests at a reception or children, a record for them and their parents when they are older. There is also the advantage if two or maybe three shots are taken the post processing will be almost identical for each shot in a series. Sometimes guess at a reception will clown for the camera so a series might be a half dozen.

The distance to the subject must remain the same. What I found with my Z8 and an SB-400 is the FV Lock works with AF-S G and AF-D Nikkors but not AIS. I'm not sure why FV Lock does not function with an FTZ mounted AIS lens but it doesn't.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2026, 10:12:54 »
If you have a 400mm lens you have to be 22m from a 2m lion to fill the FX frame - get 45MP on the lion with a Z9. On DX you can be 33m away and fill the frame - with your hypothetical camera you get 45MP on the lion from further away, or at the same distance you can use a 300mm lens instead of 400mm and save some money. But with an 800mm lens and a Z9 you get 45MP on the lion at 40m. So, if you can be confident of getting within 40m and you have an 800mm lens on your Z9 you don't get a pixels-on-target advantage with DX.

That means you also have to factor in the quality and availability of very long focal length lenses and how well target recognition and tracking AF utilise them. Z has turned this upside down. The AF-S 800/5.6 cost US$16K and sold 3.8K between 2013 and now - effectively up to 2018. The Z 800/6.3 costs US$7000 and has sold 13K since 2022. In Z mount, a lot more people can afford a lot more reach.

Of course, there will always be occasions you can't get close enough, whether because the animal is too small or too elusive, but the pixels-on-target advantage of DX in the D5/D500 days has been eroded in Z mount.

This happened already in F mount with the D850 which could achieve what you describe, and it seems to have outsold the D500 although the latter was less expensive. However, this is a choice that Nikon is making and it's not inevitable. Fuji, for example, is offering 26MP stacked and 40 MP non-stacked APS-C sensors in their cameras which would give some pixels per subject advantage in reach-limited situations over the Z8/Z9. Nikon's solution has been to offer a range of lighter-weight high-quality telephotos including the 400/4.5, 600/6.3, and 800/6.3 as well as the slightly more consumer-oriented 180-600/5.6-6.3. These should give an FX user enough reach in most practical situations, and the aperture of those lenses is intermediate which makes them more portable and affordable than the ultra high-end fast superteles which were for a long time the only options for long-lens photography in the autofocus DSLR era. Thus what was previously achieved with a less expensive DX camera body, can now be achieved by combining an arguably more expensive FX body with a less expensive, but still powerful lens, and an added advantage is that because of the larger field of view and high pixel density of the  Z8/Z9, one has more room for post exposure flexibility in framing, though this comes with a smaller subject in the frame in some cases. But one cannot have everything, I guess. One possibility would be for Nikon to implement a framing crop mode which would entail a DX framed viewfinder but the files would contain the full FX data, enabling the subject to be seen and focused on more easily in the center of the frame but then the backup FX frame would be available if needed to avoid wing clips etc. But I guess this would be a too niche use to actually implement.

I think the main issue of making a Z mount equivalent to the D500 is that the fast sensor readout enabling silent photography at high fps and with minimal rolling shutter distortion necessitates an expensive sensor and Nikon might not end up making a profit from such development just for the high end DX crowd. As Fuji has shown, the users might have to choose from fast readout (in fact in their case not that fast compared to the Z8/Z9 in still photography) expensive DX camera with only slightly higher pixel density (26 MP) than the Z8/Z9 and a slow read speed high-resolution high pixel density 40 MP model which would necessitate the continued use of the mechanical shutter for action subjects. What people who are asking for a Z D500 equivalent really want is a substantially higher pixel density sensor with similar read times as the Z8/Z9 and it could end up costing as much as the Z8 easily, and still it would be a niche camera since wide angles would be negatively affected and fast standard zooms would need to be redesigned for DX Z for such camera models to get enough user base beyond the bird photography niche.

The popularity of the 800/6.3 is in line with the other PF lenses and less to do with the Z mount itself; Nikon's F-mount PF lenses were also hugely popular. Nikon is making effective use of PF technology to make long primes more affordable but still good in image quality. Though looking at MTF tests the older AF-S 800/5.6 beats the 800/6.3 PF, so one should not really think that these lenses are truly equivalent. In photographylife's MTF tests the 800/6.3 wide open center has imatest score of 2646 vs. the 800/5.6 at f/5.6 gives 3151. I totally get that the newer lens is a lot easier to use and more practical. I have noticed that in the Finnish Nature Photographer of the Year competition in 2025, 800 mm lenses were used by many, and this is definitely something that was not common in the past.

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Re: The Lens Adapter Nikon REFUSED to Build
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I think the main issue of making a Z mount equivalent to the D500 is that the fast sensor readout enabling silent photography at high fps and with minimal rolling shutter distortion necessitates an expensive sensor and Nikon might not end up making a profit from such development just for the high end DX crowd. [...] What people who are asking for a Z D500 equivalent really want is a substantially higher pixel density sensor with similar read times as the Z8/Z9 and it could end up costing as much as the Z8 easily, and still it would be a niche camera since wide angles would be negatively affected and fast standard zooms would need to be redesigned for DX Z for such camera models to get enough user base beyond the bird photography niche.

Nikon will at some point have to develop a new DX sensor - "a" meaning there will only be one, because they will need to use it across the DX range and for a long time, in order to recoup the development costs. If that was a 45MP DX sensor it could simply go straight into the Z8II. 

However ... the D500 suffered because although it did offer higher pixel-density versus the 20MP D5 and D6, it did not versus the 45MP D850 when that appeared only a year later, and although a (say) 45MP DX sensor has higher pixel-density than the current Z8 and Z9, it also would suffer if later iterations of the Z8/9 had 80MP or 100MP (DX crops of 35 and 44MP). So a lot will depend on how Nikon expects the Z8/9 to evolve over the next couple of iterations. 

The need to use the sensor across the DX range means cost and suitability for video are likely to be key factors, especially if the predictions of a DX - ie, less expensive - counterpart to the ZR in 2026 are correct. The RED Komodo/Komodo-X use a 20MP Super 35 (27 x 14mm) sensor to do 6K at 40/80 fps, and cost $3000 and $7000, so a 24MP partially stacked DX sensor giving 6K at 60 fps would match well.
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