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[THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« on: August 13, 2024, 11:13:19 »
Panos. This is an attempt to bring together panoramas not obtained via image stitching (those can be seen and posted in https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=1597.0. They may be shot on dedicated panorama cameras or cropped from a single photo (or in other ways if you know any).

To start this one off, an attempt of mine. Shot in Italy, Lake Maggiore, view on the Superior Island (in the middle, Isla Superiore). Shot on 6x17 film (Porta 400), (very) early morning. We had visited the islands the day before, so i "had to" return the next morning. I was greeted by a lonely fisherman and some glorious, soft morning glow. Feel free to add your comments and/or panos.


[changed title and theme intent based on Akira's comment, thanks Akira!]
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Re: [THEME] Panorama
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2024, 12:47:40 »
Hans, I think this thread is very viable as it is, but you would be better off renaming the thread title to "Images shot with dedicated panorama cameras" or something like that.  This way, your intention for this thread clearer.

The posted image is beautiful also as a starter.
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Re: [THEME] Panorama
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2024, 14:51:16 »
Hans, I think this thread is very viable as it is, but you would be better off renaming the thread title to "Images shot with dedicated panorama cameras" or something like that.  This way, your intention for this thread clearer.

The posted image is beautiful also as a starter.

Thank you very much for your advice Akira, duely noted and updated.

Thanks for the compliment on my photo!
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Re: [THEME] Panorama
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2024, 14:57:57 »

The posted image is beautiful also as a starter.

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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2024, 19:10:14 »
In the film era, I used 6x12cm backs on my Arca-Swiss F-Line 4x5" technical  camera. This worked great for making slides for double-spread magazine prints with a Schneider 90mm or Nikkor 65/75mm lens. If I put my bigger 8x10" view camera into "action" (if such a word can be applied to this monsterous bulky camera device), there was 6x17cm back to be inserted as well. Almost all of these large-format slides are deposited to my stock library and I only have a few mediocre scans available.

The bigger cameras become very expensive to operate over time, so towards the last years of my film-based career, I used the comparatively nifty and neat Hasselblad Xpan instead. Of course it wasn't a genuine Hasselblad, only by the label, as the camera itself was a Japanese Fuji design. The Fuji (or Hasselblad) lenses for the XPan were good-excellent performers, although prone to vignetting due to the wide coverage. Thus one should really use the dedicated anti-vignetting filters unless "speed" was of greatest importance.

I'd confess I liked the Xpan better than the Arca-Swiss, as it was faster in use and much more economical too. Plus being smaller and neater, I could even shoot hand-held.


One of my favourite XPan captures is below. Here I had to remove the centre-spot filter as it was getting dark despite the snow and the XPan had only up to 8 secs. exposures. You might set the camera to "B" and lock the shutter release, but the camera would override you and close the shutter after 8 seconds, no matter how long exposure time yu would need. A true design flaw which I complained about to the Hasselblad factory. They just shrugged their shoulders and "saw no reason to change the design, because it was perfect". For whom?



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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2024, 20:04:02 »
Thanks Thomas and Birna.

Thanks for the anecdotal story and nice picture, Birna. I recognize the cost of film, especially now and i don't shoot a lot. I also shoot 4x5. For 6x17 i use a Shen Hao PTB617, very nice camera and like any large format, slow to use. That's why i use it  ;D I also develop and scan my own film. Obviously, this works for me as it is my hobby. In case it would be work, i doubt i'd do it.
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2024, 13:29:29 »
Back in the analog days of last century I took my 4x5 Sinar on a holiday trip to Southwestern US. It took up the space of all my hand luggage. Heavy Gitzo tripod to add. So I tried to size it down to portable size for the next trips. The result is a partially hand-crafted Frankenpano, combining a Horseman 6x12 back, Mamiya viewfinder and Schneider Super Angulon 58mm in helicoid mount.

With nowadays extreme wideangle lenses, 6x12 with a 58mm lens seems not so wide anymore.
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2024, 15:19:56 »
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With nowadays extreme wideangle lenses, 6x12 with a 58mm lens seems not so wide anymore.

So very true. Today we have rectilinear lenses pushing 135 degrees and beyond, and at very affordable price levels as well. Image quality can be surprisingly good too. However, as a tool for image making their fields of applications are almost negatively correlated to their angle of view. Hyper-wide captures of big cities at night, or beaches at sunset, get boring after a while. If you move in very close to get ultra-exaggerated perspectives, one simultaneously observes that depth of field is surprisingly limited despite the short focal lengths. Most über-wide lenses don't have the smoothest bokeh either. Thus the novelty factor wears off rather quickly. For example, I tend to use the 9mm f/5.6 Laowa with 135 degrees view for FX on my DX-cameras Z fc, Z30, instead. Angle of view then  shrinks to around 105-110 degrees and the lens is much easier to use creatively. Plus,  the DX frame mitigates most of the corner vignetting inherent in these extreme wide-angle designs.

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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2024, 09:39:08 »
Thanks Jürgen for adding to the story and Birna for the additional info.

A pano crop this time (1:2), from 4x5 B&W film, same morning as the above colour shot, but now on CHS100-II, Intrepid 4x5, Nikkor 300mm F/9. I like the layers in this shot, but can see that it may not be for everyone.
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2024, 16:34:53 »
A panorama crop from a standard frame - does it work?
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2024, 16:36:00 »
..and another
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2024, 17:38:15 »
A panorama crop from a standard frame - does it work?

I think so.

I like both these cropped frame panos

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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2024, 19:53:37 »
Very nice theme Hans  :)

Before I glue a panorama mask on my Z7 sensor .. when is it considered a panorama - aspect ratio wise? Is e.g. 16:9 a panorama? 
One of the reasons I got my Z7 was the idea of having pixels enough for single frame panoramas.

Already enjoying this theme with great images.

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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2024, 23:49:40 »
Thanks Colin
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Re: [THEME] Panorama, not stitched
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2024, 04:36:50 »
In camera panorama mode, in this case a Sony A6000. Works fine if your subject doesn't move and if your sensor is very clean.

A quiet day at the Trevi Fountain :o
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