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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #165 on: July 01, 2021, 17:10:06 »
I went to talk about the Z fc with my dealer and ended up with a 105 MC Nikkor in my bag!

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #166 on: July 01, 2021, 17:32:26 »
I will weigh in with my critique of these two new Z-mount macro lenses. First, I’m not sending them back, which is statement in itself. And second, it should be understood that I am only giving my two cents as to how they relate to my work, which is usually close-up, but not macro, and focus stacked.

And I should add, I bought these for use outside with insects and shots that require (or benefit) from auto-focus. The Z 105 Macro is the deal, meaning it is the best (and most expensive) of the two. Also, I have a great many (scores) of macro-range lenses, so I am picky this late in the game. The Z 50mm Macro, I will use much less, but I will use it because of the added context possible of a wider lens. I am all about context, which is why I like close-up and not so much macro. Just sharing my parameters here.

The Z 105mm Macro

It’s good. Easily sharp enough. Able to do 1:1, not that I do much of that. The bokeh is better than I expected and very usable. In fact, the lens is all good with one glaring (for my work) exception, and that is the short focus throw.

Lenses like the CV-125 have like 360-degree throws and the Leical Elmarit-R 100 APO macro has twice this. This new Z105 Macro has way less, barely enough to be useful for my work. That is disappointing and, IMO, an oversight on Nikon’s part considering this is a macro lens. What were they thinking?

Well, they were not thinking about those of us who are stacking focus. Of course, I could put it on a focus rail, but I’m not likely to do that often, because I have many other lenses that are better that do not require a focus rail. With nimble fingering on the barrel, I can sqeak through a focus stack of many layers, but I am aware of the shortcomings of this lens for that.

So, that almost would have me sending the lens back, except I did not buy it to stack focus, as mentioned, but to shoot outside with auto-focus, with or without a tripod. In summary, the 105 Z Macro is a fine lens, with the one exception I mentioned, the short focus-throw.

Nikon Z 50mm Macro

I have less to say here. This is a good usable lens, sharp enough, corrected enough, bokeh OK, and also a short focus throw. This is a less expensive lens, yet still meaningful for my work because it has auto-focus and is a wider-angle lens than most other macros. So, I will use it, outside, for greater context.

And so, as mentioned, not sending either back, but relegating it for outdoor work and probably not used in the studio, unless I get lazy. I like both these lenses.
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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #167 on: July 01, 2021, 17:38:54 »
Michael, try the focus shift feature. You might find it makes the focus stacker's life easier. :) At least that's one of the main reasons for me to get the new 105.

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #168 on: July 01, 2021, 17:49:59 »
Michael, try the focus shift feature. You might find it makes the focus stacker's life easier. :) At least that's one of the main reasons for me to get the new 105.

Yes, that is true. Good point and I do use that. The problem with that as opposed to the internal Nikon stacking is that if you have something like a sphere, you have to shorten the steps to catch all the "roundness." To have a short focus throw on a macro lens is, to me, an oxymoron.
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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #169 on: July 01, 2021, 20:37:48 »
To have a short focus throw on a macro lens is, to me, an oxymoron.

I agree!

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #170 on: July 01, 2021, 22:33:41 »
The focus shift feature uses AF, so assuming you use this feature and it works, the short manual focus throw shouldn't be a problem for this type of photography.

I agree that for manual focusing, a longer focus throw is desirable. Is this a lens which requires less rotation of the focus ring if you move it quickly? If so, what is the focus throw when you turn the focus ring very slowly?

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #171 on: July 01, 2021, 22:44:49 »
The focus shift feature uses AF, so assuming you use this feature and it works, the short manual focus throw shouldn't be a problem for this type of photography.

I agree that for manual focusing, a longer focus throw is desirable. Is this a lens which requires less rotation of the focus ring if you move it quickly? If so, what is the focus throw when you turn the focus ring very slowly?

Not sure how you measure on focus-by-wire, but using it, it seems not fine enough as far as I can see.
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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #172 on: July 02, 2021, 09:51:47 »
The AF focuses in small steps so it seems that the focus ring could be programmed to work that way too - a manual focusing "speed" setting via the menu seems like a "no-brainer". Maybe even better would be to be able to program the auxiliary ring on end of the lens to be for customized fine focusing analogous to a microscope fine focusing ring with the other ring for coarse focusing (they could even enable swapping ring functions so the wide one could be for fine focusing). Nikon does have experience with microscopes so they do not have to think too far "out of the box".

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #173 on: July 02, 2021, 13:09:24 »
But the marked for such a long focus throw manual focusing lens mode is minuscule - so I can understand that Nikon doesn't throw R&D hours at such a task.
There are other options for such work ;)
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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #174 on: July 02, 2021, 13:47:22 »
But the marked for such a long focus throw manual focusing lens mode is minuscule - so I can understand that Nikon doesn't throw R&D hours at such a task.
There are other options for such work ;)

Well, I can't help but look for a CV-125 lens in this Nikon macro. Not the same.
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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #175 on: July 02, 2021, 22:49:43 »
I don't think 'fly-by-wire' and 'long focus throw' are compatible design features.

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #176 on: July 03, 2021, 16:27:05 »
I wonder if the focus control software could be hacked.

However...

The focus throw capabilities of this lens may be limited at a point that Nikon engineering is comfortable with. Not all angular displacement motor and control systems are specified for high resolution by design: this is typically a cost versus intended use decision.

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #177 on: July 04, 2021, 05:28:57 »
ok, there is indeed a small amount of distortion with the 50/2.8 :o :o :o

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #178 on: July 05, 2021, 12:49:04 »
https://richardhaw.com/2021/06/27/review-nikkor-z-mc-50mm-f-2-8/

updated with distortion and vignetting examples. very disappointing :o :o :o

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Re: micro-nikkor Z
« Reply #179 on: July 06, 2021, 20:47:27 »
https://richardhaw.com/2021/06/27/review-nikkor-z-mc-50mm-f-2-8/

updated with distortion and vignetting examples. very disappointing :o :o :o

If applying software correction, is the residual distortion sufficiently low to use it for reproduction applications?